Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Wasn't Allan Houston a regular all star by th'e point he got that contract? And the Knicks were planning on competing for a championship regularly?

THjr is an inefficient chucker that doesn't play defense or rebound. This is a signing you make when you're maybe trying to get over the hump for a championship, not a team ready to tank.

This was also a move to keep Melo around and happy. Melo was irate when we traded him in the first place which was one of the things that caused an original split between Phil and Melo.

Please God let the Hawk match. This is an Isiah Thomas type move that will further set the Knicks back years.

If THjr and Melo are two of your top 3 offensive options, you're gonna have a bad time filled with ugly basketball.

The bold is not correct. Not correct at all. Maybe go look at some #s and come back this discussion.

I said the same thing to sinix in another thread but I guess they haven't had time to look up his stats. THjr only had one inefficient year. Say whatever else about him you will but he has been efficient on a decent usg.

I remember when he was a Knick. I watched all those games.

He was so good in Atlanta he had a D-League stint.

We're paying 80 mil and we could find a player just as productive in the D League.

The d league stint was early in the year...when he rejoined the team, he one of their best players. Im in the A and I watched a ton of Hawks games and by the end of the year, heading into the playoffs he was their second best player behind Milsap....

What team lets a 24-25 year old player that's one of their best leave? Name me one in the history of the NBA.

You're simply wrong. He's not a productive player.

He doesn't play a team game or do the little things that help teams win. The one thing he can do well, he's ultra streaky at. He was the same streaky shooter on the Knicks. Maybe every once in a while he has a decent shooting game but when he's not shooting well he's nothing but drain. Whereas when other people aren't shooting well they are maybe locking down their opponent or helping with ball movement.

I've seen Hawks fan talk about him. He's not worth anywhere near 80 mil. I'd be nervous about even giving him half that.

Alan Houston was 25 when he left the Pistons and signed with the Knicks....BTW, of course he's not worth 80 mil, most f these players are being overpaid...but its the way the NBA does business not just the Knicks. If you want a RFA from another team, you have to overpay so that the home team doesn't match...Morey did the same, as did many others...

If he's not worth 80 mil, why pay him?

If he's not worth it, by definition, you shouldn't sign him. The Hawks understand this, why not the Knicks?

There's a time and place for overpaying and it's not now for the Knicks.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Wasn't Allan Houston a regular all star by th'e point he got that contract? And the Knicks were planning on competing for a championship regularly?

THjr is an inefficient chucker that doesn't play defense or rebound. This is a signing you make when you're maybe trying to get over the hump for a championship, not a team ready to tank.

This was also a move to keep Melo around and happy. Melo was irate when we traded him in the first place which was one of the things that caused an original split between Phil and Melo.

Please God let the Hawk match. This is an Isiah Thomas type move that will further set the Knicks back years.

If THjr and Melo are two of your top 3 offensive options, you're gonna have a bad time filled with ugly basketball.

The bold is not correct. Not correct at all. Maybe go look at some #s and come back this discussion.

I said the same thing to sinix in another thread but I guess they haven't had time to look up his stats. THjr only had one inefficient year. Say whatever else about him you will but he has been efficient on a decent usg.

I remember when he was a Knick. I watched all those games.

He was so good in Atlanta he had a D-League stint.

We're paying 80 mil and we could find a player just as productive in the D League.

The d league stint was early in the year...when he rejoined the team, he one of their best players. Im in the A and I watched a ton of Hawks games and by the end of the year, heading into the playoffs he was their second best player behind Milsap....

What team lets a 24-25 year old player that's one of their best leave? Name me one in the history of the NBA.

You're simply wrong. He's not a productive player.

He doesn't play a team game or do the little things that help teams win. The one thing he can do well, he's ultra streaky at. He was the same streaky shooter on the Knicks. Maybe every once in a while he has a decent shooting game but when he's not shooting well he's nothing but drain. Whereas when other people aren't shooting well they are maybe locking down their opponent or helping with ball movement.

I've seen Hawks fan talk about him. He's not worth anywhere near 80 mil. I'd be nervous about even giving him half that.

Alan Houston was 25 when he left the Pistons and signed with the Knicks....BTW, of course he's not worth 80 mil, most f these players are being overpaid...but its the way the NBA does business not just the Knicks. If you want a RFA from another team, you have to overpay so that the home team doesn't match...Morey did the same, as did many others...

If he's not worth 80 mil, why pay him?

If he's not worth it, by definition, you shouldn't sign him. The Hawks understand this, why not the Knicks?

There's a time and place for overpaying and it's not now for the Knicks.

I'll give Mills the benefit of the doubt. Maybe there are more trades coming down the pike. This signing, on it's own, doesn't make much sense for where we are at. We've got other holes to plug in and this seems nonessential. Id rather bring in Holiday and save the cap space.

I am not in favor of this signing. However there most certainly is logic and reason behind it. There are may aspects that make sense for this team. That is my only argument to the guys like Sinix who are comparing this to Eddy Curry which is equal parts myth and stupid.

I hope Atl doesnt match and Timmy explodes into Derozan part II. We are Knick fans... there is always hope lol

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Wasn't Allan Houston a regular all star by th'e point he got that contract? And the Knicks were planning on competing for a championship regularly?

THjr is an inefficient chucker that doesn't play defense or rebound. This is a signing you make when you're maybe trying to get over the hump for a championship, not a team ready to tank.

This was also a move to keep Melo around and happy. Melo was irate when we traded him in the first place which was one of the things that caused an original split between Phil and Melo.

Please God let the Hawk match. This is an Isiah Thomas type move that will further set the Knicks back years.

If THjr and Melo are two of your top 3 offensive options, you're gonna have a bad time filled with ugly basketball.

The bold is not correct. Not correct at all. Maybe go look at some #s and come back this discussion.

I said the same thing to sinix in another thread but I guess they haven't had time to look up his stats. THjr only had one inefficient year. Say whatever else about him you will but he has been efficient on a decent usg.

I remember when he was a Knick. I watched all those games.

He was so good in Atlanta he had a D-League stint.

We're paying 80 mil and we could find a player just as productive in the D League.

The d league stint was early in the year...when he rejoined the team, he one of their best players. Im in the A and I watched a ton of Hawks games and by the end of the year, heading into the playoffs he was their second best player behind Milsap....

What team lets a 24-25 year old player that's one of their best leave? Name me one in the history of the NBA.

You're simply wrong. He's not a productive player.

He doesn't play a team game or do the little things that help teams win. The one thing he can do well, he's ultra streaky at. He was the same streaky shooter on the Knicks. Maybe every once in a while he has a decent shooting game but when he's not shooting well he's nothing but drain. Whereas when other people aren't shooting well they are maybe locking down their opponent or helping with ball movement.

I've seen Hawks fan talk about him. He's not worth anywhere near 80 mil. I'd be nervous about even giving him half that.

Alan Houston was 25 when he left the Pistons and signed with the Knicks....BTW, of course he's not worth 80 mil, most f these players are being overpaid...but its the way the NBA does business not just the Knicks. If you want a RFA from another team, you have to overpay so that the home team doesn't match...Morey did the same, as did many others...

If he's not worth 80 mil, why pay him?

If he's not worth it, by definition, you shouldn't sign him. The Hawks understand this, why not the Knicks?

There's a time and place for overpaying and it's not now for the Knicks.

I'll give Mills the benefit of the doubt. Maybe there are more trades coming down the pike. This signing, on it's own, doesn't make much sense for where we are at. We've got other holes to plug in and this seems nonessential. Id rather bring in Holiday and save the cap space.

I would have dont nothing at all, and just brought back the old crew and started the season $20mm under the cap. Then when teams start blowing up and are desperate for that elusive 3rd team needed to make a trade work we glid in and start loading up on draft picks.

I am not in favor of this signing. However there most certainly is logic and reason behind it. There are may aspects that make sense for this team. That is my only argument to the guys like Sinix who are comparing this to Eddy Curry which is equal parts myth and stupid.

I hope Atl doesnt match and Timmy explodes into Derozan part II. We are Knick fans... there is always hope lol

franco12 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Wasn't Allan Houston a regular all star by th'e point he got that contract? And the Knicks were planning on competing for a championship regularly?

THjr is an inefficient chucker that doesn't play defense or rebound. This is a signing you make when you're maybe trying to get over the hump for a championship, not a team ready to tank.

This was also a move to keep Melo around and happy. Melo was irate when we traded him in the first place which was one of the things that caused an original split between Phil and Melo.

Please God let the Hawk match. This is an Isiah Thomas type move that will further set the Knicks back years.

If THjr and Melo are two of your top 3 offensive options, you're gonna have a bad time filled with ugly basketball.

The bold is not correct. Not correct at all. Maybe go look at some #s and come back this discussion.

I said the same thing to sinix in another thread but I guess they haven't had time to look up his stats. THjr only had one inefficient year. Say whatever else about him you will but he has been efficient on a decent usg.

I remember when he was a Knick. I watched all those games.

He was so good in Atlanta he had a D-League stint.

We're paying 80 mil and we could find a player just as productive in the D League.

The d league stint was early in the year...when he rejoined the team, he one of their best players. Im in the A and I watched a ton of Hawks games and by the end of the year, heading into the playoffs he was their second best player behind Milsap....

What team lets a 24-25 year old player that's one of their best leave? Name me one in the history of the NBA.

You're simply wrong. He's not a productive player.

He doesn't play a team game or do the little things that help teams win. The one thing he can do well, he's ultra streaky at. He was the same streaky shooter on the Knicks. Maybe every once in a while he has a decent shooting game but when he's not shooting well he's nothing but drain. Whereas when other people aren't shooting well they are maybe locking down their opponent or helping with ball movement.

I've seen Hawks fan talk about him. He's not worth anywhere near 80 mil. I'd be nervous about even giving him half that.

Alan Houston was 25 when he left the Pistons and signed with the Knicks....BTW, of course he's not worth 80 mil, most f these players are being overpaid...but its the way the NBA does business not just the Knicks. If you want a RFA from another team, you have to overpay so that the home team doesn't match...Morey did the same, as did many others...

If he's not worth 80 mil, why pay him?

If he's not worth it, by definition, you shouldn't sign him. The Hawks understand this, why not the Knicks?

There's a time and place for overpaying and it's not now for the Knicks.

I'll give Mills the benefit of the doubt. Maybe there are more trades coming down the pike. This signing, on it's own, doesn't make much sense for where we are at. We've got other holes to plug in and this seems nonessential. Id rather bring in Holiday and save the cap space.

I would have dont nothing at all, and just brought back the old crew and started the season $20mm under the cap. Then when teams start blowing up and are desperate for that elusive 3rd team needed to make a trade work we glid in and start loading up on draft picks.

I am not in favor of this signing. However there most certainly is logic and reason behind it. There are may aspects that make sense for this team. That is my only argument to the guys like Sinix who are comparing this to Eddy Curry which is equal parts myth and stupid.

I hope Atl doesnt match and Timmy explodes into Derozan part II. We are Knick fans... there is always hope lol

There's an NBA payroll floor. Last year it was just $9 mil below the cap. You can't start a season $20 mil below the cap.

I'm too lazy to google, but I thought if a team was below the floor, at the end of the year, the difference had to be divided and paid out to the players on the roster.

So, I think you could start the year $20M under without penalty.

And if not, then as GM, I would offer fishmike a one year, non guaranteed contract for the difference, and traded his azz or cut him as needed.

No hard feelings - just a business!

14. Is there a minimum amount each team must spend on its payroll?

There is a minimum team salary (see question number 13), which for this purpose includes the salaries of players who suffered career-ending injuries or illnesses (see question number 61), and excludes all cap holds. The team salary must be at or above 90% of the salary cap on the date of the team's last regular season game:

Season Minimum Violators
2017-18 $89,183,700
For minimum team salary purposes the salary of a player who changes teams through trade or waivers is divided among the teams for which he played. For example, if a $10 million player is traded exactly 60% of the way through the season, then the player's original team counts $6 million of the player's salary for minimum team salary purposes, and the player's new team counts $4 million of the player's salary for minimum team salary purposes.

Any salary included in team salary as a result of international buyouts (see question number 77) is excluded from team salary for minimum team salary purposes.

Teams with a team salary below the minimum are surcharged for their shortfall, with the money distributed among the players on that team. The determination of how the money is distributed is up to the players union. Most recently they have distributed a full share to players who had spent at least 41 games on the team's roster, and a half share to players who had spent 20 to 40 games on the team's roster. However, a player cannot receive more than the maximum salary as a result of a shortfall payment.

technomaster wrote:For what it's worth, Allan Houston left Detroit after his 3rd year to come to the Knicks. In his final year with the Pistons, he averaged 19.7ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.0apg (in year 2 he had averaged 14.5ppg).

In his first year with the Knicks, Houston was just okay, averaging 14.8ppg, 3.0rpg, 2.2apg.

I think if you give THJr equivalent minutes as Houston (33.1mpg) he'd be at least as productive.

Um no. The game back then was a big mans game. Look at Reggie Millers numbers compared to Allan Houstons. Not that different in that time period.

Are you going to tell me next THjr is close to Reggie Miller?

Alan Houston should of been an all star player before he signed with the Knicks. Only reason he wasn't was he had Michael Jordan and Reggie Miller around.

THjr in comparison is closer to a d league player than an NBA starter.

Sinix wrote:

technomaster wrote:For what it's worth, Allan Houston left Detroit after his 3rd year to come to the Knicks. In his final year with the Pistons, he averaged 19.7ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.0apg (in year 2 he had averaged 14.5ppg).

In his first year with the Knicks, Houston was just okay, averaging 14.8ppg, 3.0rpg, 2.2apg.

I think if you give THJr equivalent minutes as Houston (33.1mpg) he'd be at least as productive.

Um no. The game back then was a big mans game. Look at Reggie Millers numbers compared to Allan Houstons. Not that different in that time period.

Are you going to tell me next THjr is close to Reggie Miller?

Alan Houston should of been an all star player before he signed with the Knicks. Only reason he wasn't was he had Michael Jordan and Reggie Miller around.

THjr in comparison is closer to a d league player than an NBA starter.

I would say give me some of what Sinix is smoking but it doesnt sound fun at all. This guy is making up his own reality.

2002 article

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/149136/Baby-Shaq-Vs-Shaq

"Going through high school Bulls rookie Eddy Curry was kindly given the nickname of 'Baby Shaq', given his athletic ability and solid build. Although in real life Curry is both shorter and lighter than the original, he will get a chance to put his game against the master when the Chicago Bulls take on the Los Angeles Lakers at home."

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Sinix wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Wasn't Allan Houston a regular all star by th'e point he got that contract? And the Knicks were planning on competing for a championship regularly?

THjr is an inefficient chucker that doesn't play defense or rebound. This is a signing you make when you're maybe trying to get over the hump for a championship, not a team ready to tank.

This was also a move to keep Melo around and happy. Melo was irate when we traded him in the first place which was one of the things that caused an original split between Phil and Melo.

Please God let the Hawk match. This is an Isiah Thomas type move that will further set the Knicks back years.

If THjr and Melo are two of your top 3 offensive options, you're gonna have a bad time filled with ugly basketball.

The bold is not correct. Not correct at all. Maybe go look at some #s and come back this discussion.

I said the same thing to sinix in another thread but I guess they haven't had time to look up his stats. THjr only had one inefficient year. Say whatever else about him you will but he has been efficient on a decent usg.

I remember when he was a Knick. I watched all those games.

He was so good in Atlanta he had a D-League stint.

We're paying 80 mil and we could find a player just as productive in the D League.

The d league stint was early in the year...when he rejoined the team, he one of their best players. Im in the A and I watched a ton of Hawks games and by the end of the year, heading into the playoffs he was their second best player behind Milsap....

What team lets a 24-25 year old player that's one of their best leave? Name me one in the history of the NBA.

You're simply wrong. He's not a productive player.

He doesn't play a team game or do the little things that help teams win. The one thing he can do well, he's ultra streaky at. He was the same streaky shooter on the Knicks. Maybe every once in a while he has a decent shooting game but when he's not shooting well he's nothing but drain. Whereas when other people aren't shooting well they are maybe locking down their opponent or helping with ball movement.

I've seen Hawks fan talk about him. He's not worth anywhere near 80 mil. I'd be nervous about even giving him half that.

Alan Houston was 25 when he left the Pistons and signed with the Knicks....BTW, of course he's not worth 80 mil, most f these players are being overpaid...but its the way the NBA does business not just the Knicks. If you want a RFA from another team, you have to overpay so that the home team doesn't match...Morey did the same, as did many others...

If he's not worth 80 mil, why pay him?

If he's not worth it, by definition, you shouldn't sign him. The Hawks understand this, why not the Knicks?

There's a time and place for overpaying and it's not now for the Knicks.

I'll give Mills the benefit of the doubt. Maybe there are more trades coming down the pike. This signing, on it's own, doesn't make much sense for where we are at. We've got other holes to plug in and this seems nonessential. Id rather bring in Holiday and save the cap space.

I would have dont nothing at all, and just brought back the old crew and started the season $20mm under the cap. Then when teams start blowing up and are desperate for that elusive 3rd team needed to make a trade work we glid in and start loading up on draft picks.

I am not in favor of this signing. However there most certainly is logic and reason behind it. There are may aspects that make sense for this team. That is my only argument to the guys like Sinix who are comparing this to Eddy Curry which is equal parts myth and stupid.

I hope Atl doesnt match and Timmy explodes into Derozan part II. We are Knick fans... there is always hope lol

There's an NBA payroll floor. Last year it was just $9 mil below the cap. You can't start a season $20 mil below the cap.

I'm too lazy to google, but I thought if a team was below the floor, at the end of the year, the difference had to be divided and paid out to the players on the roster.

So, I think you could start the year $20M under without penalty.

And if not, then as GM, I would offer fishmike a one year, non guaranteed contract for the difference, and traded his azz or cut him as needed.

No hard feelings - just a business!

Its like this... Knicks could have gone $20mm under the cap. They would have until the last day to get in the minumum. If they dont its not a biggie (its the Knicks)

14. Is there a minimum amount each team must spend on its payroll?

There is a minimum team salary (see question number 13), which for this purpose includes the salaries of players who suffered career-ending injuries or illnesses (see question number 61), and excludes all cap holds. The team salary must be at or above 90% of the salary cap on the date of the team's last regular season game:

Season Minimum Violators
2017-18 $89,183,700
For minimum team salary purposes the salary of a player who changes teams through trade or waivers is divided among the teams for which he played. For example, if a $10 million player is traded exactly 60% of the way through the season, then the player's original team counts $6 million of the player's salary for minimum team salary purposes, and the player's new team counts $4 million of the player's salary for minimum team salary purposes.

Any salary included in team salary as a result of international buyouts (see question number 77) is excluded from team salary for minimum team salary purposes.

Teams with a team salary below the minimum are surcharged for their shortfall, with the money distributed among the players on that team. The determination of how the money is distributed is up to the players union. Most recently they have distributed a full share to players who had spent at least 41 games on the team's roster, and a half share to players who had spent 20 to 40 games on the team's roster. However, a player cannot receive more than the maximum salary as a result of a shortfall payment.

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

technomaster wrote:For what it's worth, Allan Houston left Detroit after his 3rd year to come to the Knicks. In his final year with the Pistons, he averaged 19.7ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.0apg (in year 2 he had averaged 14.5ppg).

In his first year with the Knicks, Houston was just okay, averaging 14.8ppg, 3.0rpg, 2.2apg.

I think if you give THJr equivalent minutes as Houston (33.1mpg) he'd be at least as productive.

Um no. The game back then was a big mans game. Look at Reggie Millers numbers compared to Allan Houstons. Not that different in that time period.

Are you going to tell me next THjr is close to Reggie Miller?

Alan Houston should of been an all star player before he signed with the Knicks. Only reason he wasn't was he had Michael Jordan and Reggie Miller around.

THjr in comparison is closer to a d league player than an NBA starter.

Also Houston was 7x all star before coming to the Knicks. Also Eddy Curry was the next Shaq. Also Steve Francis was a superstar when we got him.

I would say give me some of what Sinix is smoking but it doesnt sound fun at all. This guy is making up his own reality.

If you don't remember the nickname baby Shaq, Stevie Francis being one of the top talents in the league and you think that post is crazy, odds are you are probably like 12 years old and weren't around for that era.

no odds are I was awake for it unlike you. Curry was never mistaken for Shaq AFTER he was drafted. The Greek kid was also called baby shaq. Is that your criterea?

Steve Francis? Really? Out of the league 1 year after leaving the Knicks.

I hate to resort to name calling but you are posting some of the dumbest **** ever around here. Carry on... I look forward to hearing how we "just missed" the finals behind veteran leadership of Antonio Davis.

Yes, yes he was compared to and called baby Shaq after he was traded to the Knicks. Do you think the Knicks would of traded 3 draft picks for him if he didn't have that reputation? I picked out an earlier article that uses the name baby Shaq in his rookie season but he's still called that during his Knick tenure. I know because I watched all those games. I was posting on forums like this about him. You, on the other hand, are showing you are in over your head in this discussion.

He was never called baby shaq as a Knick. Prove it. You cant as you are full of crap.

Do I think the Knicks would have traded 3 picks? Nobody is sure why they did, considering the Bulls were going to pay him to RETIRE FROM BASKETBALL. But yea... keep talking about how smart Isiah was. Thats helping you build your points