meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:When healthy Noah plays up to 60% of his salary value, his attitude, leadership and team play brimgs his value up to 85% of his salary

When Melo manages to play up to 75% of the value of his salary, his attitude, leadership and team play our lack thereof brings his value down to 40% of his salary.

OK but then Noah is healthy like half as often as Melo. So the math doesn't work!

The question was why Melo and why not Noah, the answer was
Melo's value = (1.0*40%*25.0MM) - 25.0MM = -15 MM/year
Noah's value = (0.5*85%*13.5MM) - 13.5MM = -7.8MM/year approx
Assuming Noah plays only 41 games each season on avg and Melo plays 82

Melo is about twice as bad as Noah each year

I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers from. It sounds like you're just making them up. Noah's probably worth about $4 mil and Melo $10 mil a season IMO. So they're both terrible contracts and neither can or should be bought out right now.

Of course I am making them up, I am assigning numerical values to Melo's cancerous effect on the team and Noah's leadership. The problem with the way you look at it is inn terms of pure production and you completely ignore the negative impact of having a insubordinate malcontent in the locker room poisoning the youth movement. Unless you look at that any numbers you come up with are just as half assed.

meloshouldgo..all you have to do is copy and paste your name in every response to melo. Why do you need to elaborate. There is literally nothing anyone can say on this planet, there is nothing he can do, It's personal with you.

Your all hate and no sense. When your in the knicks locker room, what do his teammates say about him since they confide in you.

When reporters write negative shiiit about phil and his stupid triangle, they are the worst, but when they say something negative about melo, here you go cosigning every word with your pom poms.

I use to dislike melo more than you, always thought he was way over rated, still do, but i started appreciating him more when the record is (2-30) without him, he barely sat for the sake of rest, he never had a westbrook, curry, irving, cp3, or any all star to play with like his friends since he's been a knick.

Phil got rose and noah to cater to melo who wanted a upgrade at the pg position. If you had to chose between Grant, sasha, and rose..its a no brainer.

I dont care for melo, but i do appreciate what he brings

PhilinLA wrote:I think our offseason starts a minute after Melo is traded. Right now, I don't think they want to add room till that happens.

That's bad business because he's really unmovable for at least another season. It's like taking a test and being stuck on the first question, You just give up on the other 20 question and flat out fail.

Noah is useless in a suit and on the court

SupremeCommander wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:When healthy Noah plays up to 60% of his salary value, his attitude, leadership and team play brimgs his value up to 85% of his salary

When Melo manages to play up to 75% of the value of his salary, his attitude, leadership and team play our lack thereof brings his value down to 40% of his salary.

Coming from you? yeah your probably right...

Noah Actual $18M Market $5

So how much do you think Melo is worth (Cant wait)
Millsap just got $30M per
Teague $19M
Ibaka $22M
Patti Mills $19
Gallinari $22

so another team should see Melo as a bargain and make it happen!!!!!

Trade kicker hurts. And only 2 teams know they have a chance. Problem for Knicks is that they are smart enough to realize the Knicks are in a weak bargaining position.

I have read a few times that he can waive the trade kicker with the new cba. I don't know if that changed July 1 because at the deadline there were a few very informative articles discussing situations where Melo could waive or not waive part of his trade kicker.

We only really know what Chris Paul did. His trade kicker was $3.6 million. He accepted $600,000

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:When healthy Noah plays up to 60% of his salary value, his attitude, leadership and team play brimgs his value up to 85% of his salary

When Melo manages to play up to 75% of the value of his salary, his attitude, leadership and team play our lack thereof brings his value down to 40% of his salary.

OK but then Noah is healthy like half as often as Melo. So the math doesn't work!

The question was why Melo and why not Noah, the answer was
Melo's value = (1.0*40%*25.0MM) - 25.0MM = -15 MM/year
Noah's value = (0.5*85%*13.5MM) - 13.5MM = -7.8MM/year approx
Assuming Noah plays only 41 games each season on avg and Melo plays 82

Melo is about twice as bad as Noah each year

I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers from. It sounds like you're just making them up. Noah's probably worth about $4 mil and Melo $10 mil a season IMO. So they're both terrible contracts and neither can or should be bought out right now.

Of course I am making them up, I am assigning numerical values to Melo's cancerous effect on the team and Noah's leadership. The problem with the way you look at it is inn terms of pure production and you completely ignore the negative impact of having a insubordinate malcontent in the locker room poisoning the youth movement. Unless you look at that any numbers you come up with are just as half assed.

Well, it's half assed to think you can just multiply by a percentage to account for the attitude IMO. The Knicks need to use playing time as leverage to force Melo to have the right mindset, and if it doesn't work, then explore options to trade him or buy him out. They're trying to sell while his value is at an all-time low right now.

DUDE - I already said mine were half assed, it was done to illustrate a point, the point was those things need to be accounted for. People get so literal about numbers that they fail to understand what is being conveyed. Get your head out of the numbers for a second, I made those up to stress the need to evaluate his impact on the team and not get stuck on his stupid stats.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:When healthy Noah plays up to 60% of his salary value, his attitude, leadership and team play brimgs his value up to 85% of his salary

When Melo manages to play up to 75% of the value of his salary, his attitude, leadership and team play our lack thereof brings his value down to 40% of his salary.

OK but then Noah is healthy like half as often as Melo. So the math doesn't work!

The question was why Melo and why not Noah, the answer was
Melo's value = (1.0*40%*25.0MM) - 25.0MM = -15 MM/year
Noah's value = (0.5*85%*13.5MM) - 13.5MM = -7.8MM/year approx
Assuming Noah plays only 41 games each season on avg and Melo plays 82

Melo is about twice as bad as Noah each year

I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers from. It sounds like you're just making them up. Noah's probably worth about $4 mil and Melo $10 mil a season IMO. So they're both terrible contracts and neither can or should be bought out right now.

Of course I am making them up, I am assigning numerical values to Melo's cancerous effect on the team and Noah's leadership. The problem with the way you look at it is inn terms of pure production and you completely ignore the negative impact of having a insubordinate malcontent in the locker room poisoning the youth movement. Unless you look at that any numbers you come up with are just as half assed.

Well, it's half assed to think you can just multiply by a percentage to account for the attitude IMO. The Knicks need to use playing time as leverage to force Melo to have the right mindset, and if it doesn't work, then explore options to trade him or buy him out. They're trying to sell while his value is at an all-time low right now.

DUDE - I already said mine were half assed, it was done to illustrate a point, the point was those things need to be accounted for. People get so literal about numbers that they fail to understand what is being conveyed. Get your head out of the numbers for a second, I made those up to stress the need to evaluate his impact on the team and not get stuck on his stupid stats.

Your Chinese math? Actually that's highly accurate. More like hater math.

Btw. Melo is better than Paul George, Kevin Love, Paul Millsap, Rooster, and many more getting large contracts. How does that factor into your math?

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:When healthy Noah plays up to 60% of his salary value, his attitude, leadership and team play brimgs his value up to 85% of his salary

When Melo manages to play up to 75% of the value of his salary, his attitude, leadership and team play our lack thereof brings his value down to 40% of his salary.

OK but then Noah is healthy like half as often as Melo. So the math doesn't work!

The question was why Melo and why not Noah, the answer was
Melo's value = (1.0*40%*25.0MM) - 25.0MM = -15 MM/year
Noah's value = (0.5*85%*13.5MM) - 13.5MM = -7.8MM/year approx
Assuming Noah plays only 41 games each season on avg and Melo plays 82

Melo is about twice as bad as Noah each year

I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers from. It sounds like you're just making them up. Noah's probably worth about $4 mil and Melo $10 mil a season IMO. So they're both terrible contracts and neither can or should be bought out right now.

Of course I am making them up, I am assigning numerical values to Melo's cancerous effect on the team and Noah's leadership. The problem with the way you look at it is inn terms of pure production and you completely ignore the negative impact of having a insubordinate malcontent in the locker room poisoning the youth movement. Unless you look at that any numbers you come up with are just as half assed.

meloshouldgo..all you have to do is copy and paste your name in every response to melo. Why do you need to elaborate. There is literally nothing anyone can say on this planet, there is nothing he can do, It's personal with you.

Your all hate and no sense. When your in the knicks locker room, what do his teammates say about him since they confide in you.

When reporters write negative shiiit about phil and his stupid triangle, they are the worst, but when they say something negative about melo, here you go cosigning every word with your pom poms.

I use to dislike melo more than you, always thought he was way over rated, still do, but i started appreciating him more when the record is (2-30) without him, he barely sat for the sake of rest, he never had a westbrook, curry, irving, cp3, or any all star to play with like his friends since he's been a knick.

Phil got rose and noah to cater to melo who wanted a upgrade at the pg position. If you had to chose between Grant, sasha, and rose..its a no brainer.

I dont care for melo, but i do appreciate what he brings

Yep I hate pretty much everything about him and every other slime infested sleazebag that puts himself ahead of my team. Melo didn't have Westbrook? Who do you think Westbrook had tgis year? Did you see him take the Thunder and carry them on his shoulders in to the playoffs in the loaded western conference? Next best scorer Oladipo had less than 15 per. Your "all star" had TWO 18 pt scorers and couldn't even make 8th seed in the East. This isn't about me, this is about you and fans like you. Hope you go with Melo wherever we trade his ass to because nothing the Knicks do is for enough for you. And i don't even like Westbrook

Why don't you tell him the real reason you hate Melo?

HofstraBBall wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:When healthy Noah plays up to 60% of his salary value, his attitude, leadership and team play brimgs his value up to 85% of his salary

When Melo manages to play up to 75% of the value of his salary, his attitude, leadership and team play our lack thereof brings his value down to 40% of his salary.

OK but then Noah is healthy like half as often as Melo. So the math doesn't work!

The question was why Melo and why not Noah, the answer was
Melo's value = (1.0*40%*25.0MM) - 25.0MM = -15 MM/year
Noah's value = (0.5*85%*13.5MM) - 13.5MM = -7.8MM/year approx
Assuming Noah plays only 41 games each season on avg and Melo plays 82

Melo is about twice as bad as Noah each year

I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers from. It sounds like you're just making them up. Noah's probably worth about $4 mil and Melo $10 mil a season IMO. So they're both terrible contracts and neither can or should be bought out right now.

Of course I am making them up, I am assigning numerical values to Melo's cancerous effect on the team and Noah's leadership. The problem with the way you look at it is inn terms of pure production and you completely ignore the negative impact of having a insubordinate malcontent in the locker room poisoning the youth movement. Unless you look at that any numbers you come up with are just as half assed.

meloshouldgo..all you have to do is copy and paste your name in every response to melo. Why do you need to elaborate. There is literally nothing anyone can say on this planet, there is nothing he can do, It's personal with you.

Your all hate and no sense. When your in the knicks locker room, what do his teammates say about him since they confide in you.

When reporters write negative shiiit about phil and his stupid triangle, they are the worst, but when they say something negative about melo, here you go cosigning every word with your pom poms.

I use to dislike melo more than you, always thought he was way over rated, still do, but i started appreciating him more when the record is (2-30) without him, he barely sat for the sake of rest, he never had a westbrook, curry, irving, cp3, or any all star to play with like his friends since he's been a knick.

Phil got rose and noah to cater to melo who wanted a upgrade at the pg position. If you had to chose between Grant, sasha, and rose..its a no brainer.

I dont care for melo, but i do appreciate what he brings

Yep I hate pretty much everything about him and every other slime infested sleazebag that puts himself ahead of my team. Melo didn't have Westbrook? Who do you think Westbrook had tgis year? Did you see him take the Thunder and carry them on his shoulders in to the playoffs in the loaded western conference? Next best scorer Oladipo had less than 15 per. Your "all star" had TWO 18 pt scorers and couldn't even make 8th seed in the East. This isn't about me, this is about you and fans like you. Hope you go with Melo wherever we trade his ass to because nothing the Knicks do is for enough for you. And i don't even like Westbrook

Why don't you tell him the real reason you hate Melo?

Because you are going to. Since you have such deep psychic insight into my thought process.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea... I mean this is kind of self explanatory no?

Good Melo: takes tons of shots. Holds ball. Makes some plays. Dominates offense. Hits big shots.
Bad Melo: takes tons of shots. Holds ball. Makes some plays. Dominates offense. Hits big shots.

Good Noah: Moves ball, elite passing big man, great defender, excellent rebounder, doesnt need ball to be effective.
Bad Noah: Moves ball, elite passing big man, great defender, excellent rebounder, doesnt need ball to be effective.

Pretty simple. Bad Melo is a team cancer and a coach killer. Bad Noah is just not a good basketball player, but has no negative impact on the team.

Noah's contract stinks, but he's either dead weight or he helps us. Bad Melo will hurt the youth development and as he's disgruntled will seek allies and be a divisive force. That is the downside which we have seen on more than one occasion. Can the Knick's afford that?

I dont know what the right play is... but I do know there is a clear downside/backfire to Melo that doesnt exist with Noah.

Noah has a lot of pride. I expect him to be able to help, if only in a limited role. Ideally we start him next to KP, he's a ball mover, defender and a ton setter and we get 65-70 games and 18-20mpg from him. If we get that you will see the positives he brings.

'self explanatory if your using that type of bias. We both know you have supported Noah since the begining and somehow still find a way to say he is a positive. Just not a fact in any way. Noah has had minimal or no impact during the last 3 seasons. To expect him to change that is low probability. Again, how does he help us in the locker room? By letting everyone sign the get well soon cards? We can get several vets at vets minimum to take that role. Btw, your saying Melo will hurt the youth movement but in the next paragraph you placing Noah in the starting line up over Willy?

As for Melo. Fact is, there are no players on this team nor recent teams claiming Melo is a "cancer to the team? He is a guy that leads us in scoring every year. Is one year removed from leading us in dimes and scoring. Does he hold the ball? Yes Does he force it at times? Yes. Best defender? No. Should he be considered for a buyout and not Noah? No way.

Truth is, neither would be or should be bought out by a smart team. As your getting no value. Reason why i am saying, if they really are considering being that stupid, why not Noah? Reason I had a problem with Phil suggesting it and yet pushing his free agent dud behind the curtain.

I never said Noah is a positive. Thats you trying to twist words to fit your point which I disagree with. Also "always supporting" the Noah move? The only thing I have always said is there was reason behind it, plenty of reasons in fact. Did I endorse it? No. Did I think it a disaster? No. Because unless Noah is completely broken down he will be a positive presence. Melo has shown that is not always the case. A few times in fact. While here.

Hey... he's been really good after quitting. So maybe we get to see a Post-MDA now I want to play hard for Woody Melo. That would be amazing to be honest. So would having Jessica Alba lick my taint. The Alba scenario is more plausible. Just calling it like I see it. Few have supported Melo around here as much over the years as I have. That being said I dont support a buyout and I want no part of Ryan Anderson. If its one of those options I would rather pray he shows up herpes free for training camp