Welpee wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Paris907 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/07/06/knicks-pursuing-celtics-defensive-minded-guard-in-trade/

I'm a Smart fan. He is a defensive ace and his 3 PT % is deceptive as it increased signicantky as the season wore on. It was evident in the playoffs. He's no mentor but a super building block. Easy trade for Knicks. Just don't give up a 1st!

I've been chatting with a Celtics fan this morning. The Celtics are asking for a pick and Hernangomez for Smart. I doubt a deal gets done because Ainge has to WIN every trade by a large margin... usually in a salary dump for a prospect that, while good, is a disappointment a pick follows the salary.

I have no interest in dealing Hernangomez, at least not for Smart. The former has a chance to be really good. The latter is a nice piece but not nearly as good as many thought he'd be

Off the top of my head with no inside knowledge I feel that's the asking price for Bradley and not Smart.

KOQ for Smart works for both teams. We have a glut at Center. We need a veteran PG. They have no bigs. KOQ analytically is better then Smart. But he isn't going to be on the Knicks for the long term and I don't think a team will give up a first rounder for as it stands.

I don't consider Smart a "veteran" PG. He's still developing his niche in this league. But I agree, I would have no problem moving KOQ for Smart but I wonder how that helps their cap situation to sign Hayward?

How much money do they need to dump? I thought it was about 3mil which they would get from the S&T for Crowder. I thought them moving Smart & Bradley is because they are both FAs next summer and they want to get something in return for them before they lose them for nothing. KOQ while probably not a long term option will give them something they need currently.

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Paris907 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/07/06/knicks-pursuing-celtics-defensive-minded-guard-in-trade/

I'm a Smart fan. He is a defensive ace and his 3 PT % is deceptive as it increased signicantky as the season wore on. It was evident in the playoffs. He's no mentor but a super building block. Easy trade for Knicks. Just don't give up a 1st!

I've been chatting with a Celtics fan this morning. The Celtics are asking for a pick and Hernangomez for Smart. I doubt a deal gets done because Ainge has to WIN every trade by a large margin... usually in a salary dump for a prospect that, while good, is a disappointment a pick follows the salary.

I have no interest in dealing Hernangomez, at least not for Smart. The former has a chance to be really good. The latter is a nice piece but not nearly as good as many thought he'd be

How would a fan know what they're asking for him? If a fan knew then the media would definitely know and it would be all over in tweets.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882955835000926208

Either Ainge is crazy or we're crazy for even considering that deal. Tell Ainge to kick rocks and see if he can get anything close to that from anybody else. Seems like he's just using the Knicks just like free agents.

smart is a 6th overall pick in his draft just 3 yrs ago, willy is a 2nd rnd pick, who can't play a lick of defense to save his life.. and they never said what yr the pick had to be. smart kind of sucks though..lol

Willie held a 123. WS48 last season(Smart 064. and due a raise) while making 1.5mil. Averaged 7 rebounds in 18mins. His numbers at a 36mins per game rate is 16pts 13.6rebs 2.6ast 1.1stls 1.0blks on 52fg%.

Next season you give him 30 mins a game and watch his numbers climb with more mins and just being a better player with growth. His value would net you waaaaaaaaaaaaay more then Marcus Smart.

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Paris907 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/07/06/knicks-pursuing-celtics-defensive-minded-guard-in-trade/

I'm a Smart fan. He is a defensive ace and his 3 PT % is deceptive as it increased signicantky as the season wore on. It was evident in the playoffs. He's no mentor but a super building block. Easy trade for Knicks. Just don't give up a 1st!

I've been chatting with a Celtics fan this morning. The Celtics are asking for a pick and Hernangomez for Smart. I doubt a deal gets done because Ainge has to WIN every trade by a large margin... usually in a salary dump for a prospect that, while good, is a disappointment a pick follows the salary.

I have no interest in dealing Hernangomez, at least not for Smart. The former has a chance to be really good. The latter is a nice piece but not nearly as good as many thought he'd be

How would a fan know what they're asking for him? If a fan knew then the media would definitely know and it would be all over in tweets.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882955835000926208

Either Ainge is crazy or we're crazy for even considering that deal. Tell Ainge to kick rocks and see if he can get anything close to that from anybody else. Seems like he's just using the Knicks just like free agents.

smart is a 6th overall pick in his draft just 3 yrs ago, willy is a 2nd rnd pick, who can't play a lick of defense to save his life.. and they never said what yr the pick had to be.

So if Anthony Bennett was offered for Willy we should pull the trigger because he was the #1 pick in his draft? And it doesn't matter what year the pick is, it's a horrible deal for the Knicks. Not to mention, what incentive is there to help a division foe?

I would pass on the trade, that dude shot 28% from 3 land, 35% overall...he needs to be giving us a 1st rndr with him

Welpee wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Welpee wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Paris907 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/07/06/knicks-pursuing-celtics-defensive-minded-guard-in-trade/

I'm a Smart fan. He is a defensive ace and his 3 PT % is deceptive as it increased signicantky as the season wore on. It was evident in the playoffs. He's no mentor but a super building block. Easy trade for Knicks. Just don't give up a 1st!

I've been chatting with a Celtics fan this morning. The Celtics are asking for a pick and Hernangomez for Smart. I doubt a deal gets done because Ainge has to WIN every trade by a large margin... usually in a salary dump for a prospect that, while good, is a disappointment a pick follows the salary.

I have no interest in dealing Hernangomez, at least not for Smart. The former has a chance to be really good. The latter is a nice piece but not nearly as good as many thought he'd be

Off the top of my head with no inside knowledge I feel that's the asking price for Bradley and not Smart.

KOQ for Smart works for both teams. We have a glut at Center. We need a veteran PG. They have no bigs. KOQ analytically is better then Smart. But he isn't going to be on the Knicks for the long term and I don't think a team will give up a first rounder for as it stands.

I don't consider Smart a "veteran" PG. He's still developing his niche in this league. But I agree, I would have no problem moving KOQ for Smart but I wonder how that helps their cap situation to sign Hayward?

How much money do they need to dump? I thought it was about 3mil which they would get from the S&T for Crowder. I thought them moving Smart & Bradley is because they are both FAs next summer and they want to get something in return for them before they lose them for nothing. KOQ while probably not a long term option will give them something they need currently.

Not sure how much they need to unload to fit in Hayward. But just based on the players, yeah I would definitely move KOQ for either Smart or Bradley.

Yea I thought they were settled and just going to do the S&T - Utah gets something back, and Ainge gets his man.

I guess he is greedy? It's one thing to build leverage, and tell Utah take Smart or I can just trade him to someone else- it's another to go out and continue to shop a deal.

Maybe Utah is playing hard to get, forcing Aigne to look elsewhere?

As much as Begley is one of the better Knicks beat reporters, his knowledge of the salary cap and trade values leave much to be desired

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:Smart would be a great pickup for the Knicks, but the timing is wrong. He's going to get a big raise next year and does that make sense for the Knicks? The Nets will offer him $20mm a year and force the Knicks to match or lose. If the deal is for KOQ ok...

i view it as no different than Derrick Williams or Brandon Jennings... Smart likely will not return if we trade for him but we essentially have an option to keep him if he magically blossoms

Smart is 22 years old. He plays on winning teams, he's one of the better wing defenders in the league, he guards multiple positions and averaged almost 5 dimes a game last year playing off the bench and some backup PG. The blossom is already there I think. If you dont view this guy as a long term piece its not worth it.

If you want to build a great D behind Willy/KP I would say Ntilikina and Smart are a good start.

if the blossom is already there, then I say pass on Smart... he had a PER of 12 last year, and averages 11.5 for his career. I see him as a defensive version of Evan Turner. If what you see is what you get, he provides no value to us.

This was sort of my point to begin with - if we're getting him because of salary dump WE should get a pick, not the Cs

Nalod wrote:

Nalod wrote:How do we value him? 30 min avg, 10.6 pts, 4 rebs and 4.5 assists a game.
He is restricted next summer.

He was the 6th pick in his draft. THats a lottery kid. He is 23. Not a bad player, better than Shump!
Shump got 4 year 40 mil. What his worth? 15mil a year?

Ainge of course wants a first rounder. Im not giving him that. I'll give him KOQ. Thats where we have some surplus. Its where they have need.
Im not giving up picks. But I'll trade Willy for Smart and a pick protected to 5th.
THats a starter. Not sure whose pick does that for me in the treasure chest that Boston has but Willy replaces Olynyk better. Boston enrich's itself and saves cap to get Haywood.
I like Willy. At the same time, would willy be a top 5 pick in the draft? If so, Phuck that, I wants Nets pick.
Willy is cheap, and ready to contribute NOW to their quest.

evidently Danny and I don't agree on this. He wants Willy and a pick, and I want smart and a pick!!!
Nalod delusional? perhaps.

Where smart was drafted is not of consequence now.
Keeping him from getting fat would be. Dude is thick, its a long lean league now. He is build like a running back!!

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Paris907 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/07/06/knicks-pursuing-celtics-defensive-minded-guard-in-trade/

I'm a Smart fan. He is a defensive ace and his 3 PT % is deceptive as it increased signicantky as the season wore on. It was evident in the playoffs. He's no mentor but a super building block. Easy trade for Knicks. Just don't give up a 1st!

I've been chatting with a Celtics fan this morning. The Celtics are asking for a pick and Hernangomez for Smart. I doubt a deal gets done because Ainge has to WIN every trade by a large margin... usually in a salary dump for a prospect that, while good, is a disappointment a pick follows the salary.

I have no interest in dealing Hernangomez, at least not for Smart. The former has a chance to be really good. The latter is a nice piece but not nearly as good as many thought he'd be

How would a fan know what they're asking for him? If a fan knew then the media would definitely know and it would be all over in tweets.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882955835000926208

Either Ainge is crazy or we're crazy for even considering that deal. Tell Ainge to kick rocks and see if he can get anything close to that from anybody else. Seems like he's just using the Knicks just like free agents.

smart is a 6th overall pick in his draft just 3 yrs ago, willy is a 2nd rnd pick, who can't play a lick of defense to save his life.. and they never said what yr the pick had to be.

So if Anthony Bennett was offered for Willy we should pull the trigger because he was the #1 pick in his draft? And it doesn't matter what year the pick is, it's a horrible deal for the Knicks. Not to mention, what incentive is there to help a division foe?

I would pass on the trade, that dude shot 28% from 3 land, 35% overall...he needs to be giving us a 1st rndr with him

The point is it doesn't matter where your drafted once you have an NBA history. Willy is simply a better player than Smart right now. Just to be clear, we're talking about a career .358 shooter! They better be giving us picks if we're swapping Smart and Willy.

Marc Gasol
Season	Age  Tm  Pos  G  GS  MP   FG  FGA   FG%   3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT%  ORB  DRB  TRB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS  ORtg DRtg
2008-09	24   MEM C    82 75  2521 7.4 14.0  .530  0.0 0.0  .000 7.4 13.9 .530 5.8 7.9  .733 4.2  8.5  12.8 3.0  1.3  1.9  3.5  5.6 20.6 112  108
Willy
2016-17	22   NYK C    72 22  1324 9.3 17.6  .529  0.2  0.6 .267	9.1 17.0 .538 3.4 4.7  .728 6.4  12.5 19.0 3.6  1.5  1.4  3.8  5.7 22.2 111  107

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Paris907 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/07/06/knicks-pursuing-celtics-defensive-minded-guard-in-trade/

I'm a Smart fan. He is a defensive ace and his 3 PT % is deceptive as it increased signicantky as the season wore on. It was evident in the playoffs. He's no mentor but a super building block. Easy trade for Knicks. Just don't give up a 1st!

I've been chatting with a Celtics fan this morning. The Celtics are asking for a pick and Hernangomez for Smart. I doubt a deal gets done because Ainge has to WIN every trade by a large margin... usually in a salary dump for a prospect that, while good, is a disappointment a pick follows the salary.

I have no interest in dealing Hernangomez, at least not for Smart. The former has a chance to be really good. The latter is a nice piece but not nearly as good as many thought he'd be

How would a fan know what they're asking for him? If a fan knew then the media would definitely know and it would be all over in tweets.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882955835000926208

Either Ainge is crazy or we're crazy for even considering that deal. Tell Ainge to kick rocks and see if he can get anything close to that from anybody else. Seems like he's just using the Knicks just like free agents.

smart is a 6th overall pick in his draft just 3 yrs ago, willy is a 2nd rnd pick, who can't play a lick of defense to save his life.. and they never said what yr the pick had to be.

So if Anthony Bennett was offered for Willy we should pull the trigger because he was the #1 pick in his draft? And it doesn't matter what year the pick is, it's a horrible deal for the Knicks. Not to mention, what incentive is there to help a division foe?

I would pass on the trade, that dude shot 28% from 3 land, 35% overall...he needs to be giving us a 1st rndr with him

The point is it doesn't matter where your drafted once you have an NBA history. Willy is simply a better player than Smart right now. Just to be clear, we're talking about a career .358 shooter! They better be giving us picks if we're swapping Smart and Willy.

I just wouldn't do it. There's a chance that Willy can really blossom and be of even greater value! Just so knicks1248 knows Marc Gasol sucked on D as a rookie too. Players do improve.

Marc Gasol
Season	Age  Tm  Pos  G  GS  MP   FG  FGA   FG%   3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT%  ORB  DRB  TRB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS  ORtg DRtg
2008-09	24   MEM C    82 75  2521 7.4 14.0  .530  0.0 0.0  .000 7.4 13.9 .530 5.8 7.9  .733 4.2  8.5  12.8 3.0  1.3  1.9  3.5  5.6 20.6 112  108
Willy
2016-17	22   NYK C    72 22  1324 9.3 17.6  .529  0.2  0.6 .267	9.1 17.0 .538 3.4 4.7  .728 6.4  12.5 19.0 3.6  1.5  1.4  3.8  5.7 22.2 111  107