knicks1248 wrote:...because no premier player will want to come to a 20 win team unless you give him the sun, moon, and stars in terms of money

Serious question, in general, what premier player isn't getting the "sun, moon, and stars in terms of money" wherever they sign, good or bad?

Celtics have to divest themselves of good players to make max cap room for Heyward, right?

So what situation are you seemingly describing in which premier players take less than the max?

I really don't see the rush in getting him out if your not getting future pieces, not cap space...we are not a 1st destination for any FA.., what exactly is suppose to happen in the next season and half..

I suspect the idea is with Melo the Knicks have proven themselves to be a mid-lottery team. do you see any upside to that? Without melo they're likely in play for a very high lottery pick.

Again, what's the benefit of being a 30-something win team with Melo vs being a 20-something win team without?

Vmart wrote:Stability or no stability free agents never came to NY at least never the top ones. Can anyone name one from their prime coming to the Knicks?

Name the top players you feel like have rejected the Knicks.

Move Willy to boston for nets pick and smart, bring in Kevin Love to play Center or PF.
Pray Love stays healthy. Then trade him at deadline for Klay Thompson cuz GSW getting killed up front.
Im throwing Spaghetti at the wall today.

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Stability or no stability free agents never came to NY at least never the top ones. Can anyone name one from their prime coming to the Knicks? Amare was damaged good who wanted one last big contract. You might have to go back to Houston but he wasn't really a top notch free agent. The Knicks have never caught the big fish. You can't always say they were bad or this or that. The real reason has always been because of media. Media doesn't want to say it, people don't want to believe it but it's the truth. Put yourself in a NBA players situation a top player and you could choose your destination. Your agent will steer you away from NY so fast. Who would want to deal with media circus here.

Tyson, and yes technically it was a sign and trade but he came. It was rumored Paul would have forced his way to ny if the Knicks didn't get Tyson. I think to make a fair list during the Melo era, you would have to make a list of stars that signed for mle in other places over ny.

My point is NY isn't a destination for FAs it has never been. Chandler I don't consider top notch free agent. The players don't don't want NY simply because they don't want to deal with the media. It's an unnecessary stress to deal with them. Go to a media friendly place and get the same money.

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Stability or no stability free agents never came to NY at least never the top ones. Can anyone name one from their prime coming to the Knicks? Amare was damaged good who wanted one last big contract. You might have to go back to Houston but he wasn't really a top notch free agent. The Knicks have never caught the big fish. You can't always say they were bad or this or that. The real reason has always been because of media. Media doesn't want to say it, people don't want to believe it but it's the truth. Put yourself in a NBA players situation a top player and you could choose your destination. Your agent will steer you away from NY so fast. Who would want to deal with media circus here.

Tyson, and yes technically it was a sign and trade but he came. It was rumored Paul would have forced his way to ny if the Knicks didn't get Tyson. I think to make a fair list during the Melo era, you would have to make a list of stars that signed for mle in other places over ny.

My point is NY isn't a destination for FAs it has never been. Chandler I don't consider top notch free agent. The players don't don't want NY simply because they don't want to deal with the media. It's an unnecessary stress to deal with them. Go to a media friendly place and get the same money.

Again which top notch FAs are you referring to?

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:d

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Stability or no stability free agents never came to NY at least never the top ones. Can anyone name one from their prime coming to the Knicks? Amare was damaged good who wanted one last big contract. You might have to go back to Houston but he wasn't really a top notch free agent. The Knicks have never caught the big fish. You can't always say they were bad or this or that. The real reason has always been because of media. Media doesn't want to say it, people don't want to believe it but it's the truth. Put yourself in a NBA players situation a top player and you could choose your destination. Your agent will steer you away from NY so fast. Who would want to deal with media circus here.

Tyson, and yes technically it was a sign and trade but he came. It was rumored Paul would have forced his way to ny if the Knicks didn't get Tyson. I think to make a fair list during the Melo era, you would have to make a list of stars that signed for mle in other places over ny.

My point is NY isn't a destination for FAs it has never been. Chandler I don't consider top notch free agent. The players don't don't want NY simply because they don't want to deal with the media. It's an unnecessary stress to deal with them. Go to a media friendly place and get the same money.

Again which top notch FAs are you referring to?

KNicks had max cap space two straight years and couldnt even get a meetings with the top guys. The biggest name that gave them so much as the time of day was DJordan. Instead the space was used on Lopez, Afflalo, Noah and Lee

I'm asking which guys?

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:d

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Stability or no stability free agents never came to NY at least never the top ones. Can anyone name one from their prime coming to the Knicks? Amare was damaged good who wanted one last big contract. You might have to go back to Houston but he wasn't really a top notch free agent. The Knicks have never caught the big fish. You can't always say they were bad or this or that. The real reason has always been because of media. Media doesn't want to say it, people don't want to believe it but it's the truth. Put yourself in a NBA players situation a top player and you could choose your destination. Your agent will steer you away from NY so fast. Who would want to deal with media circus here.

Tyson, and yes technically it was a sign and trade but he came. It was rumored Paul would have forced his way to ny if the Knicks didn't get Tyson. I think to make a fair list during the Melo era, you would have to make a list of stars that signed for mle in other places over ny.

My point is NY isn't a destination for FAs it has never been. Chandler I don't consider top notch free agent. The players don't don't want NY simply because they don't want to deal with the media. It's an unnecessary stress to deal with them. Go to a media friendly place and get the same money.

Again which top notch FAs are you referring to?

KNicks had max cap space two straight years and couldnt even get a meetings with the top guys. The biggest name that gave them so much as the time of day was DJordan. Instead the space was used on Lopez, Afflalo, Noah and Lee

I'm asking which guys?

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:d

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Stability or no stability free agents never came to NY at least never the top ones. Can anyone name one from their prime coming to the Knicks? Amare was damaged good who wanted one last big contract. You might have to go back to Houston but he wasn't really a top notch free agent. The Knicks have never caught the big fish. You can't always say they were bad or this or that. The real reason has always been because of media. Media doesn't want to say it, people don't want to believe it but it's the truth. Put yourself in a NBA players situation a top player and you could choose your destination. Your agent will steer you away from NY so fast. Who would want to deal with media circus here.

Tyson, and yes technically it was a sign and trade but he came. It was rumored Paul would have forced his way to ny if the Knicks didn't get Tyson. I think to make a fair list during the Melo era, you would have to make a list of stars that signed for mle in other places over ny.

My point is NY isn't a destination for FAs it has never been. Chandler I don't consider top notch free agent. The players don't don't want NY simply because they don't want to deal with the media. It's an unnecessary stress to deal with them. Go to a media friendly place and get the same money.

Again which top notch FAs are you referring to?

KNicks had max cap space two straight years and couldnt even get a meetings with the top guys. The biggest name that gave them so much as the time of day was DJordan. Instead the space was used on Lopez, Afflalo, Noah and Lee

I'm asking which guys?

go look it up. Try starting with google. Ill help...
https://www.google.com/search?q=2016+nba+free+agents+knicks+targets&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS752&oq=2016+NBA+free+agents+knicks+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.14383j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#safe=active&q=2016+nba+free+agents+knicks+meetings

Not sure why this is a hard to answer question and/or why two guys are so reluctant to answer it. Since we're talking about "top" guys and Stat, Melo and Chandler don't qualify, typing the last name or even the initials (as some guys are known) of a very small handful of guys shouldn't prove difficult.

I suspect the list doesn't seem either impressive or particularly meaningful when actually compiled.

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Stability or no stability free agents never came to NY at least never the top ones. Can anyone name one from their prime coming to the Knicks? Amare was damaged good who wanted one last big contract. You might have to go back to Houston but he wasn't really a top notch free agent. The Knicks have never caught the big fish. You can't always say they were bad or this or that. The real reason has always been because of media. Media doesn't want to say it, people don't want to believe it but it's the truth. Put yourself in a NBA players situation a top player and you could choose your destination. Your agent will steer you away from NY so fast. Who would want to deal with media circus here.

Tyson, and yes technically it was a sign and trade but he came. It was rumored Paul would have forced his way to ny if the Knicks didn't get Tyson. I think to make a fair list during the Melo era, you would have to make a list of stars that signed for mle in other places over ny.

My point is NY isn't a destination for FAs it has never been. Chandler I don't consider top notch free agent. The players don't don't want NY simply because they don't want to deal with the media. It's an unnecessary stress to deal with them. Go to a media friendly place and get the same money.

More or less true. Allan Houston was the last truly competent FA we signed and it was not a slam dunk by any means.

These days with the CBA being what it is its less about "free" agents and more about pursuing rings because the money is so obscene that it doesn't matter.

Until the Knicks are withing striking distance of a ring, nobody worth their salt is changing teams to come here.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Stability or no stability free agents never came to NY at least never the top ones. Can anyone name one from their prime coming to the Knicks? Amare was damaged good who wanted one last big contract. You might have to go back to Houston but he wasn't really a top notch free agent. The Knicks have never caught the big fish. You can't always say they were bad or this or that. The real reason has always been because of media. Media doesn't want to say it, people don't want to believe it but it's the truth. Put yourself in a NBA players situation a top player and you could choose your destination. Your agent will steer you away from NY so fast. Who would want to deal with media circus here.

Tyson, and yes technically it was a sign and trade but he came. It was rumored Paul would have forced his way to ny if the Knicks didn't get Tyson. I think to make a fair list during the Melo era, you would have to make a list of stars that signed for mle in other places over ny.

Well the KNicks *almost* game Deandre Jordan a max deal but had to settle for Lopez so thats kinda like being good right? Knicks have had opportunities to sign guys. There has never been a reason to come here.

The Knicks have had enough cap space to sign a big name twice since the summer of LeBron. They got Tyson in one of those summers and Lopez/Afflalo the other summer. Yeah they met with DeAndre but the pres at the time had a fondness for 5s (Knicks have 5 centers, 6 if you think that is KP's position) and the stated goal was to add a couple of players in free agency.
The Knicks have to overcome income tax and the media when they try to sign guys. But if the team has talent, cap space, and is winning to some degree they have been able to add guys. That just asnt happened often.

You become very disingenuous when it comes to that FA year. You keep throwing out that Phil "wanted a couple of guys" as if he purposely bypassed the cream of the crop in order to sign role players. Knicks were one of like 20 teams with cap space that year.

James
Aldridge
Gasol
Love
Leonard
Butler
Draymond
Jordan
Dragic
Milsap
Wade
Monroe
Tyson
Middleton
Matthews
Carroll
R.Lopez
Thompson
Green
Brock
Ellis
Knight
Harris
Jackson
L.Williams
Rondo

This is the list of the top 26 players available in FA that year. Knicks had like 25 mil in cap space. Take away the players that resigned with their clubs because they can offer them more money then anyone else. Then take away the players who signed with teams already in the playoffs. C level FAs was the only realistic option. Him saying we want to sign a couple guys is clearly him looking at things realistically. Rather then blow 16-17mil on Matthews he could get Robin Lopez for 12 and Affalo for 8.

Him saying we want to sign a couple guys is clearly him looking at things realistically. Rather then blow 16-17mil on Matthews he could get Robin Lopez for 12 and Affalo for 8.