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Please engage Phoenix with a trade of bledsoe
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Bonn1997
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7/6/2017  10:57 AM
Reasonably good player. Excels at the volume stats that GMs stopped emphasizing a long time ago. Probably gives $15 mil worth of production and is paid $15 mil. Either we keep him for 1 1/2 years or badly overpay him as he hits the downward part of his career.
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7/6/2017  11:12 AM
But he has DRose's knees.
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7/6/2017  2:26 PM
BRIGGS wrote:If we got a really good PG--and Bledsoe has never been with players like Carmelo and KP--this guy could be a star. He could UP his game. Why would using a top 14 restricted pick and Kuz be a bad deal? Im not worried about lotto restricted picks --if they convey--we made the playoffs. Bledsoe is 27 hes no Marbury hes a two way player

People are not thinking this through


No, you are not thinking this through.

IF, and it was a huge IF, the Suns were going to trade Bledsoe, they would have DONE IT BEFORE THE PG MARKET CLOSED ON THEM THIS OFFSEASON. They could have approached the Kings, the Jazz, any number of teams and found a better deal than a restricted first. You are also ignoring the issue that if they wanted to move Bledsoe at this years trade deadline, they could also see what their options are then, trying to pry assets from teams with GMs either trying to hold onto their jobs or looking to push.

The deal you propose is a FANTASTIC DEAL for the Knicks. It is however a steaming pile of dog poo trade for the Suns. Which is about par for just about all of your vaunted trade scenarios. Don't get me wrong Briggs, 95 percent of the time, I wish your trade scenarios would happen. Because it would mean the Knicks would be firebombing every team in the league and gutting them in trades. Except every other team in the league would have to empty out their front offices, as most of your trades are set up to get the non Knicks GM fired.

I simply do not get this "Melo just needs a PG" BS. Melo does not move well off the ball by choice. He's a ball stopper. A point guard doesn't magically make him better. What made him less of a liability is when he had more talent around him that SPECIFICALLY could shade the things he refused to do. Melo was also younger back then, when his iso hero ball crap would have more of his shots fall, even with his craptastic shot selection. Melo does not suddenly become a free flowing player, what Jason Kidd did was set the tone and picked and chose when to push Melo into his hero ball iso routine. That's like the kid who can't stop hitting other kids, they give him boxing gloves and a small hitting bag. You aren't fixing the stupid, you are just facing the kid in a different direction. That's it, that's all you can do with Melo. But the market structure and personnel structure and cap system make it pretty much impossible to build a team that that around him, where all he has to do is be his selfish stupid self in the right corner.

The other issue you are ignoring is that for the Suns to wait so long to move Bledsoe, not only did they shave their market down for no reason, but they limited out the pool of veteran PGs they could look for as help to offer some kind of replacement. (Ulis and Knight are not enough)

You are asking a non Knicks team to operate to their detriment, to trade a solution for them at a lower value than they could have gotten, to only create a new problem on their roster.

This doesn't even begin to reach into Bledsoe being an injury risk.

Of course all your trade scenarios make sense to you, you talk at people, you are not here for discussion, you are here to carpet bomb people without exhibiting any of the critical thinking needed to put yourself into the non Knicks teams shoes. But that would require some baseline socialization and half a shake of actual empathy.

The non Knicks team, at minimum, will operate with the base mode of SELF PRESERVATION at mind. Until that burns through your skull, you will never understand the actual NBA marketplace environment.

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7/6/2017  2:35 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I really dont want to watch suckitude again. If we do lose we simply flip him at the deadline but can we try to win first? You only tank if you are truly losing from day 1. If after 20 games you are 4-16--then yes tank. But why tank from game 1?

Why not use a restricted #1 to lottery--we could simply get it back at the deadline if we stink?

How bout we just tank all year so we can draft a real game changer like Smith Jr. but pick some guy from Europe instead? Lmao. Think the time has passed. Best to give fans(That dont have season tickets) what they really want. Another ****ty complete rebuild so they can talk about how good every third round draft pick can be. Melo will be out of here. Good for him. KP will be stuck for another 2 years. Then outa here. Good for him. And Knicks should dump Lee and KO for draft picks.

Question. If we are ok with buying out Melo and keeping him on books, why not buy out Noah who is worthless and injury prone?

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7/6/2017  3:56 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If we got a really good PG--and Bledsoe has never been with players like Carmelo and KP--this guy could be a star. He could UP his game. Why would using a top 14 restricted pick and Kuz be a bad deal? Im not worried about lotto restricted picks --if they convey--we made the playoffs. Bledsoe is 27 hes no Marbury hes a two way player

People are not thinking this through


No, you are not thinking this through.

IF, and it was a huge IF, the Suns were going to trade Bledsoe, they would have DONE IT BEFORE THE PG MARKET CLOSED ON THEM THIS OFFSEASON. They could have approached the Kings, the Jazz, any number of teams and found a better deal than a restricted first. You are also ignoring the issue that if they wanted to move Bledsoe at this years trade deadline, they could also see what their options are then, trying to pry assets from teams with GMs either trying to hold onto their jobs or looking to push.

The deal you propose is a FANTASTIC DEAL for the Knicks. It is however a steaming pile of dog poo trade for the Suns. Which is about par for just about all of your vaunted trade scenarios. Don't get me wrong Briggs, 95 percent of the time, I wish your trade scenarios would happen. Because it would mean the Knicks would be firebombing every team in the league and gutting them in trades. Except every other team in the league would have to empty out their front offices, as most of your trades are set up to get the non Knicks GM fired.

I simply do not get this "Melo just needs a PG" BS. Melo does not move well off the ball by choice. He's a ball stopper. A point guard doesn't magically make him better. What made him less of a liability is when he had more talent around him that SPECIFICALLY could shade the things he refused to do. Melo was also younger back then, when his iso hero ball crap would have more of his shots fall, even with his craptastic shot selection. Melo does not suddenly become a free flowing player, what Jason Kidd did was set the tone and picked and chose when to push Melo into his hero ball iso routine. That's like the kid who can't stop hitting other kids, they give him boxing gloves and a small hitting bag. You aren't fixing the stupid, you are just facing the kid in a different direction. That's it, that's all you can do with Melo. But the market structure and personnel structure and cap system make it pretty much impossible to build a team that that around him, where all he has to do is be his selfish stupid self in the right corner.

The other issue you are ignoring is that for the Suns to wait so long to move Bledsoe, not only did they shave their market down for no reason, but they limited out the pool of veteran PGs they could look for as help to offer some kind of replacement. (Ulis and Knight are not enough)

You are asking a non Knicks team to operate to their detriment, to trade a solution for them at a lower value than they could have gotten, to only create a new problem on their roster.

This doesn't even begin to reach into Bledsoe being an injury risk.

Of course all your trade scenarios make sense to you, you talk at people, you are not here for discussion, you are here to carpet bomb people without exhibiting any of the critical thinking needed to put yourself into the non Knicks teams shoes. But that would require some baseline socialization and half a shake of actual empathy.

The non Knicks team, at minimum, will operate with the base mode of SELF PRESERVATION at mind. Until that burns through your skull, you will never understand the actual NBA marketplace environment.

I do not think his value is where you think it is. Kuz and a restricted #1 is plenty good for a guy who has missed a lot of games. Thats cap space young prospect and a 1. We have some shooters we have some big guys--a good PG who can shoot and drive would make us very decent,

The guys I would focus on would be Bledsoe Faried Barton and Malik Beasley. We have Kuz Lee cap space a restricted #1 and maybe Oquinn.

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7/6/2017  4:14 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:In Briggs I trust. I checked some of his past highlights, he has OK court vision, plays under control, and can penetrate and score. Also has a 6'6" wingspan. How's his defense? Highlights don't really focus on D.

It's not about the player though which i can't believe some of you still don't get, it's about the rebuild and bringing on Bledsoe will win us more games but it won't be enough to matter and will hurt our rebuild by not only having to give up valuable assets that we don't have much of at all and will also hurt us in next years draft where we need as high a pick as possible. Bledsoe the player is fine and i'd love to have him if we were a team ready to compete for a playoff run and more but we're not and the guy has a huge injury history as well. It's not the right time to be trading for players and it's just Briggs being impatient and having impatience right now is exactly what we don't need.

I dont want to concede to rebuild.

If we got a really good PG--and Bledsoe has never been with players like Carmelo and KP--this guy could be a star. He could UP his game. Why would using a top 14 restricted pick and Kuz be a bad deal? Im not worried about lotto restricted picks --if they convey--we made the playoffs. Bledsoe is 27 hes no Marbury hes a two way player

People are not thinking this through

IF IF we can add players like Bledsoe Smart Faried and Barton--we have the cogs upfront Willy Oquinn KP Melo--we could be a very good club. Id rather go there than HOPE that we stink to get pick 6 again.

That would also give us two players who are good friends with LBJ

Weren't you the one talking up Crabbe last year?
Please engage Phoenix with a trade of bledsoe

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