knicks1248 wrote:It's no wonder when he was dump the 1ts time, no team wanted him at all.
Im reading quotes like

Understand something: Mills is a smart, personable Princeton guy. He just doesn’t belong anywhere near a job like general manager of an NBA team. Dolan hands him the Knicks anyway, not so terribly long after kicking him to the curb.

Prototypical under informed NY knick fan who thinks by hiring a track record, it changes history.
Worst kind of starphuch fan who thinks they can pinpoint the problem and offers suggestions.

Look at the good teams and see how they did it. Also look a the mistakes they made before it took hold.
Luck is defined as "when preparation collides with opportunity" Thats how you create it. Sometimes its is born from bad circumstances. Look up how Spurs got Duncan and then look at what Pitino was doing that year. Danny Ainge is being patient. It might work, it might not.

First and foremost you don't trade picks. In fact, get more. That creates opportunities.
Hyper Knicks1248 can write all the stuff that self promotes ignorance. Fact is, Mills is not stupid and we should keep him as president, then hire a basketball mind. Forget titles.

Laugh when you look at what a marriage of Thibs and Layden are creating. You think Layden carries some stupid gene that will repeat the same mistake all the time?
You think Walsh who had a great track record until his boss made him do things? Layden learned from his mistakes.
Consider Joe Torre's record as a manager before he took over the yankees. It was not good. And yes, great players make great managers/coaches. We all know that.

Billups on tv, and some what him? We all love Mark Jax. he on tv and from NY. Thats great. Adulterer homophobes are not good for organizations.

Yes, hire Griffin, Olshy, or RC Buford. Coach Cal would be stupid, but fun. The starphuch of a Wildcat reunion is right up most fans starphuchedness.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Everyone that applies will come with flaws. Find me a mistake free GM out there. They all have mistakes. Mills to me is the logical choice he has been doing this for a while and ready to take the next step. As president. I think Houston or the many executives on the staff can do well for the Knicks. Griffin is useless. He benefited from LeBron coming back or he would be no different than T-Wolves past GMs. Perpetual lottery team. A lot of bad contracts too.

Ujiri just handed Lowery 33 million per year a whopping 3 years 100 million that is a mark of a over paying GM. For what 50 wins and swift kick in the nuts out the playoffs. The grass ain't always greener out there. The Knicks would be wise to keep it unknown or a lesser known GM to keep the dumb ass media off their back. Any big name will attract the media into a frenzy and put a target in the back of the GM.

Don't draw attention stay out of the lime light. Less the GM is know the better it will be.

Mills hasn't even spoke to the media at summer league to let fans know diddly squat, which he so gladly ran his mouth off last summer league.

I'm not sure what you don't know about what the team is doing. Pretty clear that they're going to develop and build around the young core they have drafted and that isn't very sexy. No point stating the obvious. There isn't going to be any Miami Style Super Friends or Banana Boat Reunions. You're gonna have to enjoy watching your young draft picks develop!!! No matter who we sign or trade for this is going to be a PROCESS.

Knicks1248 doesn't believe in building through the draft...he has made that pretty clear. He's entitled to his opinion BUT its obvious that building through the draft is our only real option at the moment. We aren't getting any top flight free agents at the moment and that is ok. id rather build our young core and then we can add on pieces later. We just need some patience

so it's Can't get no one to signed, can't make any trades to makes us better, can trade for future picks, i mind as well watch these young guys lose 60 to 65 games, then when KP becomes a FA and leaves this sorry roster, i can repeat the cycle again.

Who raised you, your little brother, your little sister or your parents. The vets are key to teaching the youth. It like a no brainer.

Look at the yankees this season, a prime example of youth surrounded by key relevant veterans.

And mills so busy trying to do the impossible (trade melo) he hasn't even realize every FA he reached out to never showed interest..

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Everyone that applies will come with flaws. Find me a mistake free GM out there. They all have mistakes. Mills to me is the logical choice he has been doing this for a while and ready to take the next step. As president. I think Houston or the many executives on the staff can do well for the Knicks. Griffin is useless. He benefited from LeBron coming back or he would be no different than T-Wolves past GMs. Perpetual lottery team. A lot of bad contracts too.

Ujiri just handed Lowery 33 million per year a whopping 3 years 100 million that is a mark of a over paying GM. For what 50 wins and swift kick in the nuts out the playoffs. The grass ain't always greener out there. The Knicks would be wise to keep it unknown or a lesser known GM to keep the dumb ass media off their back. Any big name will attract the media into a frenzy and put a target in the back of the GM.

Don't draw attention stay out of the lime light. Less the GM is know the better it will be.

Mills hasn't even spoke to the media at summer league to let fans know diddly squat, which he so gladly ran his mouth off last summer league.

I'm not sure what you don't know about what the team is doing. Pretty clear that they're going to develop and build around the young core they have drafted and that isn't very sexy. No point stating the obvious. There isn't going to be any Miami Style Super Friends or Banana Boat Reunions. You're gonna have to enjoy watching your young draft picks develop!!! No matter who we sign or trade for this is going to be a PROCESS.

Knicks1248 doesn't believe in building through the draft...he has made that pretty clear. He's entitled to his opinion BUT its obvious that building through the draft is our only real option at the moment. We aren't getting any top flight free agents at the moment and that is ok. id rather build our young core and then we can add on pieces later. We just need some patience

so it's Can't get no one to signed, can't make any trades to makes us better, can trade for future picks, i mind as well watch these young guys lose 60 to 65 games, then when KP becomes a FA and leaves this sorry roster, i can repeat the cycle again.

Who raised you, your little brother, your little sister or your parents. The vets are key to teaching the youth. It like a no brainer.

Look at the yankees this season, a prime example of youth surrounded by key relevant veterans.

And mills so busy trying to do the impossible (trade melo) he hasn't even realize every FA he reached out to never showed interest..

Different sport. In the NBA you have to nurture the young into good to great players. Do you even remember KD when he was in the Sonics. He was given a green light from day one to better his shooting and skill level any player given the room to grow usually do. Same with KP he should be given every opportunity to make his skills top notch. You get that from experience.

Sometimes vets are a detriment for future growth in the Knicks case they have been doing this for years where players never hit their peak and get tossed in trades. Melo is detrimental to youth growth because he takes up shots and suppresses growth. I'm still a believer KP would be better served with Melo gone and taking over the keys to the team.

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Who is this quote from? Without any reasons given for the opinion, it's not exactly useful.

The quote was from a daily news piece on the firing of grunwald when he held the position in interim.

If you remember back then, didn't he signed JR smiths brother, and sat on his hands until phil got here. The team was struggling with injuries, and never even got a legit back up for tyson with the broken leg, he knew JR was coming off knee surgery, and never had a back up. He never did anything, he just let woodson struggle to maintain with a roster that needed a face lift.

Cmon on you don't remember..

He was bad that year. He also didn't back Woodson up when JR was being a knucklehead and Shump was screaming in Woodson's face. He didn't stop Shump from playing and getting injured when he had a trade set up with the Clippers. The front office prevented Amare and Kmart from playing consecutive games and more than ten minutes a game, and Woodson was forced to keep Chris Smith instead of a big.... That year sucked.

If it wasn't for the fact that the veteran players grunwald brought in, showed pride the last 20 games, mills would be completely obsolete.

Hours after phil got fired/left, reports surface about a President search. That is a clear indication of what they truly think of him. If a person is good at what they do, they don't need no advertisement, or push to be a president, MkFrs come running to you.

Steve Mills is a (no qualifications needed) hire. In a room full of Bosses he would have no say in the matter.
He's part of the reason phil has made so many mistakes, considering he was the mouth piece.

They never put that out the media speculated and threw names around. Calapari even denied reports that his camp sent out feelers.

Forget Calapari... Massy and griffen were not media driven, you need to stop it, this sht is Black and white, there isn't a twist about it, maybe you didnt read when i said

HE SIGNED JR SMITHS BROTHER WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE A BACK UP FOR TYSON CHANDLER

And since that day, MILLS has had a hand in every single trade and FA signing leading up to the current state of the knicks.

We all know what happen to chandler that yr in novemeber..he got injured (shocker)

That's not a mistake, thats STEVE (did i dooo that)URKLE stupidity.

MILLS is not a option no matter what direction your going in I mean, really dude, it's not even close and ya'll know it. Mills and success is like water and oil.

This is not the time to turn a blind eye on his track record, especially if your a firm believer that dolan is fckng dumb

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Everyone that applies will come with flaws. Find me a mistake free GM out there. They all have mistakes. Mills to me is the logical choice he has been doing this for a while and ready to take the next step. As president. I think Houston or the many executives on the staff can do well for the Knicks. Griffin is useless. He benefited from LeBron coming back or he would be no different than T-Wolves past GMs. Perpetual lottery team. A lot of bad contracts too.

Ujiri just handed Lowery 33 million per year a whopping 3 years 100 million that is a mark of a over paying GM. For what 50 wins and swift kick in the nuts out the playoffs. The grass ain't always greener out there. The Knicks would be wise to keep it unknown or a lesser known GM to keep the dumb ass media off their back. Any big name will attract the media into a frenzy and put a target in the back of the GM.

Don't draw attention stay out of the lime light. Less the GM is know the better it will be.

Mills hasn't even spoke to the media at summer league to let fans know diddly squat, which he so gladly ran his mouth off last summer league.

I'm not sure what you don't know about what the team is doing. Pretty clear that they're going to develop and build around the young core they have drafted and that isn't very sexy. No point stating the obvious. There isn't going to be any Miami Style Super Friends or Banana Boat Reunions. You're gonna have to enjoy watching your young draft picks develop!!! No matter who we sign or trade for this is going to be a PROCESS.

Knicks1248 doesn't believe in building through the draft...he has made that pretty clear. He's entitled to his opinion BUT its obvious that building through the draft is our only real option at the moment. We aren't getting any top flight free agents at the moment and that is ok. id rather build our young core and then we can add on pieces later. We just need some patience

so it's Can't get no one to signed, can't make any trades to makes us better, can trade for future picks, i mind as well watch these young guys lose 60 to 65 games, then when KP becomes a FA and leaves this sorry roster, i can repeat the cycle again.

Who raised you, your little brother, your little sister or your parents. The vets are key to teaching the youth. It like a no brainer.

Look at the yankees this season, a prime example of youth surrounded by key relevant veterans.

And mills so busy trying to do the impossible (trade melo) he hasn't even realize every FA he reached out to never showed interest..

Gotta be honest nothing seems to make you happy. Its not like you can snap your finger and the Knicks will be good again. its gonna take time. also whether you like it or not drafting is gonna be a major part of us being good again and most people agree

I wouldn't trust mills to draft a little league softball game, he's not that dude.

I'm not bashing him, I'm only reminding you of what you have clearly forgotten.

Look at it like this, If you was MILLS AGENT, and you had to pitch him to a Owner, no matter the current state of a team..WTF would you say about him knowing what you already know about him, that makes him the right man for the job?

I really would like to hear this from those advocating for him

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Everyone that applies will come with flaws. Find me a mistake free GM out there. They all have mistakes. Mills to me is the logical choice he has been doing this for a while and ready to take the next step. As president. I think Houston or the many executives on the staff can do well for the Knicks. Griffin is useless. He benefited from LeBron coming back or he would be no different than T-Wolves past GMs. Perpetual lottery team. A lot of bad contracts too.

Ujiri just handed Lowery 33 million per year a whopping 3 years 100 million that is a mark of a over paying GM. For what 50 wins and swift kick in the nuts out the playoffs. The grass ain't always greener out there. The Knicks would be wise to keep it unknown or a lesser known GM to keep the dumb ass media off their back. Any big name will attract the media into a frenzy and put a target in the back of the GM.

Don't draw attention stay out of the lime light. Less the GM is know the better it will be.

Mills hasn't even spoke to the media at summer league to let fans know diddly squat, which he so gladly ran his mouth off last summer league.

I'm not sure what you don't know about what the team is doing. Pretty clear that they're going to develop and build around the young core they have drafted and that isn't very sexy. No point stating the obvious. There isn't going to be any Miami Style Super Friends or Banana Boat Reunions. You're gonna have to enjoy watching your young draft picks develop!!! No matter who we sign or trade for this is going to be a PROCESS.

Knicks1248 doesn't believe in building through the draft...he has made that pretty clear. He's entitled to his opinion BUT its obvious that building through the draft is our only real option at the moment. We aren't getting any top flight free agents at the moment and that is ok. id rather build our young core and then we can add on pieces later. We just need some patience

so it's Can't get no one to signed, can't make any trades to makes us better, can trade for future picks, i mind as well watch these young guys lose 60 to 65 games, then when KP becomes a FA and leaves this sorry roster, i can repeat the cycle again.

Who raised you, your little brother, your little sister or your parents. The vets are key to teaching the youth. It like a no brainer.

Look at the yankees this season, a prime example of youth surrounded by key relevant veterans.

And mills so busy trying to do the impossible (trade melo) he hasn't even realize every FA he reached out to never showed interest..

Gotta be honest nothing seems to make you happy. Its not like you can snap your finger and the Knicks will be good again. its gonna take time. also whether you like it or not drafting is gonna be a major part of us being good again and most people agree

I wouldn't trust mills to draft a little league softball game, he's not that dude.

I'm not bashing him, I'm only reminding you of what you have clearly forgotten.

Look at it like this, If you was MILLS AGENT, and you had to pitch him to a Owner, no matter the current state of a team..WTF would you say about him knowing what you already know about him, that makes him the right man for the job?

I really would like to hear this from those advocating for him

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Who is this quote from? Without any reasons given for the opinion, it's not exactly useful.

The quote was from a daily news piece on the firing of grunwald when he held the position in interim.

If you remember back then, didn't he signed JR smiths brother, and sat on his hands until phil got here. The team was struggling with injuries, and never even got a legit back up for tyson with the broken leg, he knew JR was coming off knee surgery, and never had a back up. He never did anything, he just let woodson struggle to maintain with a roster that needed a face lift.

Cmon on you don't remember..

He was bad that year. He also didn't back Woodson up when JR was being a knucklehead and Shump was screaming in Woodson's face. He didn't stop Shump from playing and getting injured when he had a trade set up with the Clippers. The front office prevented Amare and Kmart from playing consecutive games and more than ten minutes a game, and Woodson was forced to keep Chris Smith instead of a big.... That year sucked.

If it wasn't for the fact that the veteran players grunwald brought in, showed pride the last 20 games, mills would be completely obsolete.

Hours after phil got fired/left, reports surface about a President search. That is a clear indication of what they truly think of him. If a person is good at what they do, they don't need no advertisement, or push to be a president, MkFrs come running to you.

Steve Mills is a (no qualifications needed) hire. In a room full of Bosses he would have no say in the matter.
He's part of the reason phil has made so many mistakes, considering he was the mouth piece.

Mills isn't a basketball mind. Woodson should have been the one to handle those situations. Woodson should have stepped up as the leader, Melo should have backed Woodson's leadership. Phil got buried by the media and fans cough cough for *stepping on Hornacek and Fisher's toes* and he was a strong basketball mind.

Dolan was working on bringing in Phil Jackson. I don't believe Mills was allowed to make any moves until Jackson took over.

Knicks put themselves in that position by all the shortsighted moves they made to build that 54 win team followed with the trade for Bargs. The only thing they could have done to save that season was trade another future first for Lowry. Knicks gridlocked themselves where they had to keep taking away from the future to maintain mediocrity.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Everyone that applies will come with flaws. Find me a mistake free GM out there. They all have mistakes. Mills to me is the logical choice he has been doing this for a while and ready to take the next step. As president. I think Houston or the many executives on the staff can do well for the Knicks. Griffin is useless. He benefited from LeBron coming back or he would be no different than T-Wolves past GMs. Perpetual lottery team. A lot of bad contracts too.

Ujiri just handed Lowery 33 million per year a whopping 3 years 100 million that is a mark of a over paying GM. For what 50 wins and swift kick in the nuts out the playoffs. The grass ain't always greener out there. The Knicks would be wise to keep it unknown or a lesser known GM to keep the dumb ass media off their back. Any big name will attract the media into a frenzy and put a target in the back of the GM.

Don't draw attention stay out of the lime light. Less the GM is know the better it will be.

Mills hasn't even spoke to the media at summer league to let fans know diddly squat, which he so gladly ran his mouth off last summer league.

I'm not sure what you don't know about what the team is doing. Pretty clear that they're going to develop and build around the young core they have drafted and that isn't very sexy. No point stating the obvious. There isn't going to be any Miami Style Super Friends or Banana Boat Reunions. You're gonna have to enjoy watching your young draft picks develop!!! No matter who we sign or trade for this is going to be a PROCESS.

Knicks1248 doesn't believe in building through the draft...he has made that pretty clear. He's entitled to his opinion BUT its obvious that building through the draft is our only real option at the moment. We aren't getting any top flight free agents at the moment and that is ok. id rather build our young core and then we can add on pieces later. We just need some patience

so it's Can't get no one to signed, can't make any trades to makes us better, can trade for future picks, i mind as well watch these young guys lose 60 to 65 games, then when KP becomes a FA and leaves this sorry roster, i can repeat the cycle again.

Who raised you, your little brother, your little sister or your parents. The vets are key to teaching the youth. It like a no brainer.

Look at the yankees this season, a prime example of youth surrounded by key relevant veterans.

And mills so busy trying to do the impossible (trade melo) he hasn't even realize every FA he reached out to never showed interest..

Gotta be honest nothing seems to make you happy. Its not like you can snap your finger and the Knicks will be good again. its gonna take time. also whether you like it or not drafting is gonna be a major part of us being good again and most people agree

So what, lose 70 games again, and that shows your current young star that your committed to winning. How about putting some legitimate NBA starters around your young core, That would be good start.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Everyone that applies will come with flaws. Find me a mistake free GM out there. They all have mistakes. Mills to me is the logical choice he has been doing this for a while and ready to take the next step. As president. I think Houston or the many executives on the staff can do well for the Knicks. Griffin is useless. He benefited from LeBron coming back or he would be no different than T-Wolves past GMs. Perpetual lottery team. A lot of bad contracts too.

Ujiri just handed Lowery 33 million per year a whopping 3 years 100 million that is a mark of a over paying GM. For what 50 wins and swift kick in the nuts out the playoffs. The grass ain't always greener out there. The Knicks would be wise to keep it unknown or a lesser known GM to keep the dumb ass media off their back. Any big name will attract the media into a frenzy and put a target in the back of the GM.

Don't draw attention stay out of the lime light. Less the GM is know the better it will be.

Mills hasn't even spoke to the media at summer league to let fans know diddly squat, which he so gladly ran his mouth off last summer league.

I'm not sure what you don't know about what the team is doing. Pretty clear that they're going to develop and build around the young core they have drafted and that isn't very sexy. No point stating the obvious. There isn't going to be any Miami Style Super Friends or Banana Boat Reunions. You're gonna have to enjoy watching your young draft picks develop!!! No matter who we sign or trade for this is going to be a PROCESS.

Knicks1248 doesn't believe in building through the draft...he has made that pretty clear. He's entitled to his opinion BUT its obvious that building through the draft is our only real option at the moment. We aren't getting any top flight free agents at the moment and that is ok. id rather build our young core and then we can add on pieces later. We just need some patience

so it's Can't get no one to signed, can't make any trades to makes us better, can trade for future picks, i mind as well watch these young guys lose 60 to 65 games, then when KP becomes a FA and leaves this sorry roster, i can repeat the cycle again.

Who raised you, your little brother, your little sister or your parents. The vets are key to teaching the youth. It like a no brainer.

Look at the yankees this season, a prime example of youth surrounded by key relevant veterans.

And mills so busy trying to do the impossible (trade melo) he hasn't even realize every FA he reached out to never showed interest..

Gotta be honest nothing seems to make you happy. Its not like you can snap your finger and the Knicks will be good again. its gonna take time. also whether you like it or not drafting is gonna be a major part of us being good again and most people agree

So what, lose 70 games again, and that shows your current young star that your committed to winning. How about putting some legitimate NBA starters around your young core, That would be good start.

You don't seem to get it. Nobody is coming here right now that is gonna make a huge difference. for 15 years we traded numerous picks for "veterans" and became worse. Its time to continue with the youth approach

“He’s the youngest MVP of the NBA history, I can learn from him,’’ Ntilikina said after missing his third straight summer league game with a knee bruise. “It would be good. He’s done a lot of things in his career. For sure it would be good. I’m not controlling what management is doing. I trust the management and the coaching staff to do what’s best for the team.’’

you don't get it, young players wanna learn from other great players who been around, who have won in this league, why you think KP wants melo around.

Is Ntilkia is going to turn to baker for advice, is kp going to turn to willy or kuz for leadership

The lakers are rebuilding, the twolves are rebuilding, the sixers are rebuilding, but their trading and signing veterans, even if they have to overpay because you need that, it is absolutely mandatory in developing youth.

Not sitting on your hands waiting for next yrs draft, then next yrs draft..Get someone in here who knows wtf they are doing.