Vmart wrote:There is no demand for Melo. There never was why he couldn't recruit.

We didn't have cap space to recruit during his 1st 4 years here. The landscape of the league has significantly changed since then. Cap space is rarely an issue and collusion is prevalent. Players don't have the desire to deal with the circus here.

If the match rule wasn't in place, you are lying to yourself if you think a team wouldn't take Melo on his current deal for a couple years in a league where Otto Porter is making 26 mil a year. It is time for the Knicks to move on, but NY would be a more inviting place to play if fans occasionally accepted reality.

meloshouldgo wrote:I have no interest in seeing Melo play on the Knicks. I think he is a cancerous presence. He is sullen, unsophisticated, one track minded uncapable of sustained change. There really is nothing at all to be gained by playing him. I would rather have a high draft pick.

I agree. Melo has an impact. It's negative. He stymies the offense, inhibits others from growth, poor influence on KP, attitude is crap, and ask Lin, Stots, D'Antoni, Phil and George Karl what Melo is about. Or ask Lala. Can't wait Tio he's gone.

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is no demand for Melo. There never was why he couldn't recruit.

We didn't have cap space to recruit during his 1st 4 years here. The landscape of the league has significantly changed since then. Cap space is rarely an issue and collusion is prevalent. Players don't have the desire to deal with the circus here.

If the match rule wasn't in place, you are lying to yourself if you think a team wouldn't take Melo on his current deal for a couple years in a league where Otto Porter is making 26 mil a year. It is time for the Knicks to move on, but NY would be a more inviting place to play if fans occasionally accepted reality.

I don't think the players really care all that much about what the fans view of reality is. Only the fans care about that. It's more avoidance of the media circus/meatgrinder you mention first as well as the general management dysfunction this franchise has had since Riley left for Miami. We've hired and ran out of town a number of big name coaches, and with the exception of KP, our draft history since Ewing is below abysmal. Mark Jackson, ROY, then was a target for being roadkill in less than two seasons.

Even Ewing mentioned that there was never any consistency when he was coming up. Nothing's changed.

I agree with what you said. Perhaps mine was misstated. The media is what they are avoiding. They feed the fans complete nonsense here. Meant to say that on here and in general people need to be more realistic. The media is the biggest problem I had them hand in hand with many fans but even if fans disagree the media can do whatever they want.

The best case scenario at this point in terms of getting the most back for Melo would be to play him alot and make him the focal point on offense. Let him average 30 a game. Then trade him as soon as you can.

I was for marBURYING him on the bench but this is a smarter play.

TripleThreat wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:From Ed Begley ESPN:

The Knicks and Rockets touched base recently on a trade involving Carmelo Anthony, per league sources, but they didn't gain much traction. One name that came up in talks was Ryan Anderson, per sources. But the Knicks said at that time that they weren't interested in Anderson, who has been shopped around by the Rockets. Anthony has a no-trade clause but the Rockets would seem to be an attractive destination for him because of the presence of good friend Chris Paul.

IMHO, a "bad contract" can take two distinct forms

A "toxic contract" like Bargnani. Who is both overpaid and useless as any kind of positive on your team. Likely an injury history, off the court problems, discipline problems, lousy team mate, poor work ethic, etc, etc. These are the kind of things that add onto an overpaid player who doesn't offer talent or upside.

Then there is simply an "overpaid" player, like a Joe Johnson on the Hawks making 100 million plus bucks. He's a useful player, a good player, but he simply is not worth as much as his paycheck given actual market forces at work.

Anderson is OVERPAID. He is not useless. He's a good team mate and will and can play actual team basketball.

If my options are some variation of a deal for Austin Rivers, or Tristan Thompson or Ryan Anderson, I'd go with Anderson. He'll at least space the floor and give full effort and won't stop the ball.

It's not a great deal, but it's infinitely better than nothing. If the goal is to build around Porzingis and make him the "franchise player", then you need to feed him the ball, which is not going to happen with Melo on the roster ( Ntilikina's agent is Leon Rose. Who do you think he's going to pass the ball to on the Knicks?)

Personally I think they should dump Zinger in a trade, but if the purpose here is to retain his goodwill (Ugh...f**k Zinger) by the front office, Anderson is simply a much better fit. Overpaid, but a fit.

I don't think folks here really understand what Melo is going to do. Ball stop. Sulk. Attack everyone in the press. Basically make everyone miserable everywhere until the Knicks buy him out at 100 percent and he goes and ring chases somewhere. He's like a married woman who isn't hot anymore, but knows in a divorce, she's going to gut you anyway financially. So why try? Why cook? Why clean? Why give anyone a blowjob? Just sit on the couch, eating Bon Bons and watching reality shows like a stupid whore.

The Knicks married the wrong whore. That whore's name is Melo.

Anderson is the aging fat chick with ****ty credit and too many tattoos and would really settle for anyone with a pulse and a pension. But at least he's the version of the fat chick with lousy credit and horrible unicorn tattoos that would swallow. And sometimes, that's all you can ask for. This is all the Knicks can ask for.

As James Franco said in This Is The End - "He's got to gooo. Hes. Got. Tooooooo. Goooooooo."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b07sactDEKU

So explicit yet so well written...

CrushAlot wrote:I think it ends up being Anderson and a first round pick. I think Andeson could be moved when there are less years on his contract if the Knicks decided to go that route. This would be better than a buyout or Anderson going somewhere else with picks attached to move his contract. The Knicks should just take the pick(s) and move on.

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think it ends up being Anderson and a first round pick. I think Andeson could be moved when there are less years on his contract if the Knicks decided to go that route. This would be better than a buyout or Anderson going somewhere else with picks attached to move his contract. The Knicks should just take the pick(s) and move on.

for that I would just keep him, play him at the 3 next year and hope something better opens up. If it was Anderson and 3 #1s with only top 3 protection I will bite. Anderson is a horrific contract.

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think it ends up being Anderson and a first round pick. I think Andeson could be moved when there are less years on his contract if the Knicks decided to go that route. This would be better than a buyout or Anderson going somewhere else with picks attached to move his contract. The Knicks should just take the pick(s) and move on.

for that I would just keep him, play him at the 3 next year and hope something better opens up. If it was Anderson and 3 #1s with only top 3 protection I will bite. Anderson is a horrific contract.

I have defended Melo on here a lot but I think it is time to move on. Melo's deal is with the NTC is super hard to move. I think this is better than a buyout. I had hoped Hayward would go back to the Jazz and that Melo's value would go up. I don't see that happening now. If the Knicks are rebuilding they don't want to win because of Melo. They also want assets. I think a fresh start, including management team and coaching staff would be the best direction for the Knicks to take. I think whomever is hired as gm/pres needs to hire a coach that he has the same philosophy with. Sucks for Jeff because it would mean he never had a chance to coach his way but I think it is the right direction for the Knicks organization. Phil's guy with the same vision was Rambis.