Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Well you wanted Phil gone...this is what is gonna happen.

He needed to be gone. He wasn't a good executive. It doesn't seem like you need a consultant to rehire the guy that had the job before and wasn't good at it. If Mills had spent the last three years working under a very good president then maybe this makes sense.

What makes you think Mills is bad? He's never been the one calling the shots.

Mills has has a birds-eye view of countless Knicks presidents toss away draft picks, get taken advantage of in trades, and overpay for players. At this point, Mills knows what not to do! Reports are out there that the Knicks have turned down a few deals (Rubio & Anderson) because we font want to give up a 1st round pick nor do we want to take on too much salary...See, he's learning...

newyorknewyork wrote:One thing we dont talk abiut is that Mills was brought back due to Dolan correct? Phil hired him back but he didnt have any real history with the guy always felt that was a Dolan move.

To Mills credit SO FAR (I say this with caution) he is falling the same longterm patient planning that Phil had. He brought back Baker, who was a Phil guy. Looks like Hornachek is coming back, again a Phil guy/choice. We won't be trading future picks for guys like Rubio, again another Phil consistency, post-Phil.

I could be wrong, but I think Phil and Dolan ended their business relationship on great terms. Phil was always on his way out, he just wanted to set the team up for the long run in the best possible way. He did pretty well from my perspective in getting us Willy, KP and Nti. We've changed how we look at the D league team, how we look at bringing in free agents who are undrafted but rookies. If Mills can continue this process, while making better decisions than Phil with regards to trades and free agent negotiation, I think the franchise will be better in a few years.

I'm just concerned that Mills is more of a yes man to Dolan than Phil, and if push comes to shove and Dolan wants a trade for a star to go through, Mills would do it. A guy like Phil, would have stuck to his guns and not let Dolan make a move like he did in 2010 for Melo. I don't want a repeat in a year or two. We need to rebuild properly, and Dolan needs to step back and let the team actually get deep enough with young talent that they can then go sign a major player in free agency.

nyknickzingis wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:One thing we dont talk abiut is that Mills was brought back due to Dolan correct? Phil hired him back but he didnt have any real history with the guy always felt that was a Dolan move.

Yes.
To be fair to all involved, I think Dolan wanted Phil for two main reasons. One, to take the MSG protesting crowd/the media/the angry fans to be off his back and on Phil's. Second, I think he wanted to get a champions's influence on how to rebuild the team and look at players in terms of scouting, drafting, evaluation. He never wanted Phil to be the only voice, and that's why Mills was there. Mills was always next to Phil, attached to the hip, to learn from Phil and to then take over eventually, Remember, initial thoughts were that Phil would go back to LA in 3 years when Jim Buss was fired by Jeanie Buss. However Phil got so invested in NY job that I think he and Jeanie broke up. Point is, Phil was never the long long term guy.

To Mills credit SO FAR (I say this with caution) he is falling the same longterm patient planning that Phil had. He brought back Baker, who was a Phil guy. Looks like Hornachek is coming back, again a Phil guy/choice. We won't be trading future picks for guys like Rubio, again another Phil consistency, post-Phil.

I could be wrong, but I think Phil and Dolan ended their business relationship on great terms. Phil was always on his way out, he just wanted to set the team up for the long run in the best possible way. He did pretty well from my perspective in getting us Willy, KP and Nti. We've changed how we look at the D league team, how we look at bringing in free agents who are undrafted but rookies. If Mills can continue this process, while making better decisions than Phil with regards to trades and free agent negotiation, I think the franchise will be better in a few years.

I'm just concerned that Mills is more of a yes man to Dolan than Phil, and if push comes to shove and Dolan wants a trade for a star to go through, Mills would do it. A guy like Phil, would have stuck to his guns and not let Dolan make a move like he did in 2010 for Melo. I don't want a repeat in a year or two. We need to rebuild properly, and Dolan needs to step back and let the team actually get deep enough with young talent that they can then go sign a major player in free agency.

I agree with MOST of your post. I'm actually not worried about Dolan. I think this played out very close to what they originally wanted. The ending was a bit abrupt and negative but Phil did achieve the main goals of laying a foundation and grooming the Front Office.

Things are much simpler for this Front Office now. There are some key pieces in place and the moves that are needed are much clearer.