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By Al Iannazzone al.iannazzone@newsday.com

ORLANDO, Fla. — Jeff Hornacek said he texted Carmelo Anthony after Phil Jackson’s presidency ended on Wednesday. But Hornacek paused a few seconds when he was asked if he wanted Anthony on the roster next season, and he never said yes.

“Carmelo’s a great player,” Hornacek said Thursday. “The guy can really score the ball. So that’s management decisions and us coaches, we coach who they give us.”

Jackson’s departure doesn’t mean the Knicks won’t still try to move Anthony, who has a no-trade clause in his contract. His future as a Knick remains a major question heading into the busy part of the offseason.

Free agency begins at 12:01 a.m. Saturday, and the Knicks’ plans have changed now that Jackson is no longer calling the shots. The change is the kind of players they will pursue.

Last season, Hornacek said the Knicks would be looking for players that fit the system, which was the triangle offense. That’s not the case anymore, Hornacek said after summer league practice Thursday. Hornacek said he spoke to Madison Square Garden executive chairman James Dolan and general manager Steve Mills and they’re “all on the same page.”

“I don’t think you necessarily need to look at, 'Does a guy fit this system or that system?' ” Hornacek said. “It’s, ‘Can this guy play ball? Can we mold him into what we want to do?’ ”

It’s certainly a change in philosophy from the last three years when Jackson continually went after players to fit his system rather than play one that fits the personnel. Hornacek made it sound as if the Knicks are going the more conventional and popular route now.

“We’re always trying to figure out what’s best for our players,” Hornacek said. “We don’t even know what the roster is going to end up looking like. We have some ideas. But all of that will come together later in the summer.”

Hornacek said he isn’t totally abandoning the triangle. He said most teams, including the Warriors and Spurs, use triangle aspects or options. But he plans to blend in more pick-and-rolls, play more up-tempo, and try to space the floor more.

That’s what worked for Hornacek when he coached in Phoenix. The Suns played small, fast, ran pick-and-rolls and shot a high volume of three-pointers.

“We’re going to work on different things and add things, find an offense that fits,” Hornacek said. “We’re going to do a lot of things from last year, some new things and we’ll blend it. Maybe it gives us some more space.”

Last season, Hornacek tried to “blend” offenses, but by February Jackson made him go all-in on the triangle. Jackson even gave a triangle clinic to the guards.

Hornacek said he didn’t feel confined running a system he’s never played in or coached. Yet he did say he believed free agents would look at the Knicks differently since they’re not going to be sold on playing the triangle.

“I would think so,” Hornacek said. “Golden State, San Antonio had portions of it. Every team. When you look at the triangle and you look at what it could do there’s a lot of options and there’s a lot you can do. You can take pieces of it. You can spread it out. You can do all kinds of things. I don’t think that should be an issue.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-no-longer-looking-for-players-to-fit-a-system-1.13773325

More P&R Nix! Thats one thing Jeff wasn't allowed to run with any frequency. I wont go into convulsions if I see the Triangle occasionally. The Triangle wont be the first and last thing on this franchise's agenda anymore, hallelujah!

Given the success Jeff saw with his Early Spread PnR it's not a shock to think he'd look to do it more. The thing that makes me laugh is how no one notices that the Warriors barely run any PnR!!! They ran far less than the KNICKS did last year. GS like the Triangle uses Drag Screens, Dribble Handoffs, Cuts and tons of Pin Down Screens. Pretty much the non post portion of the Triangle.

I'll be glad to see more of Jeff's other schemes which he didn't use last season. I expect Jeff will run special things for players strengths as he gets to know them. Should be interesting.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

By Al Iannazzone al.iannazzone@newsday.com

ORLANDO, Fla. — Jeff Hornacek said he texted Carmelo Anthony after Phil Jackson’s presidency ended on Wednesday. But Hornacek paused a few seconds when he was asked if he wanted Anthony on the roster next season, and he never said yes.

“Carmelo’s a great player,” Hornacek said Thursday. “The guy can really score the ball. So that’s management decisions and us coaches, we coach who they give us.”

Jackson’s departure doesn’t mean the Knicks won’t still try to move Anthony, who has a no-trade clause in his contract. His future as a Knick remains a major question heading into the busy part of the offseason.

Free agency begins at 12:01 a.m. Saturday, and the Knicks’ plans have changed now that Jackson is no longer calling the shots. The change is the kind of players they will pursue.

Last season, Hornacek said the Knicks would be looking for players that fit the system, which was the triangle offense. That’s not the case anymore, Hornacek said after summer league practice Thursday. Hornacek said he spoke to Madison Square Garden executive chairman James Dolan and general manager Steve Mills and they’re “all on the same page.”

“I don’t think you necessarily need to look at, 'Does a guy fit this system or that system?' ” Hornacek said. “It’s, ‘Can this guy play ball? Can we mold him into what we want to do?’ ”

It’s certainly a change in philosophy from the last three years when Jackson continually went after players to fit his system rather than play one that fits the personnel. Hornacek made it sound as if the Knicks are going the more conventional and popular route now.

“We’re always trying to figure out what’s best for our players,” Hornacek said. “We don’t even know what the roster is going to end up looking like. We have some ideas. But all of that will come together later in the summer.”

Hornacek said he isn’t totally abandoning the triangle. He said most teams, including the Warriors and Spurs, use triangle aspects or options. But he plans to blend in more pick-and-rolls, play more up-tempo, and try to space the floor more.

That’s what worked for Hornacek when he coached in Phoenix. The Suns played small, fast, ran pick-and-rolls and shot a high volume of three-pointers.

“We’re going to work on different things and add things, find an offense that fits,” Hornacek said. “We’re going to do a lot of things from last year, some new things and we’ll blend it. Maybe it gives us some more space.”

Last season, Hornacek tried to “blend” offenses, but by February Jackson made him go all-in on the triangle. Jackson even gave a triangle clinic to the guards.

Hornacek said he didn’t feel confined running a system he’s never played in or coached. Yet he did say he believed free agents would look at the Knicks differently since they’re not going to be sold on playing the triangle.

“I would think so,” Hornacek said. “Golden State, San Antonio had portions of it. Every team. When you look at the triangle and you look at what it could do there’s a lot of options and there’s a lot you can do. You can take pieces of it. You can spread it out. You can do all kinds of things. I don’t think that should be an issue.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-no-longer-looking-for-players-to-fit-a-system-1.13773325

More P&R Nix! Thats one thing Jeff wasn't allowed to run with any frequency. I wont go into convulsions if I see the Triangle occasionally. The Triangle wont be the first and last thing on this franchise's agenda anymore, hallelujah!

Given the success Jeff saw with his Early Spread PnR it's not a shock to think he'd look to do it more. The thing that makes me laugh is how no one notices that the Warriors barely run any PnR!!! They ran far less than the KNICKS did last year. GS like the Triangle uses Drag Screens, Dribble Handoffs, Cuts and tons of Pin Down Screens. Pretty much the non post portion of the Triangle.

I'll be glad to see more of Jeff's other schemes which he didn't use last season. I expect Jeff will run special things for players strengths as he gets to know them. Should be interesting.

Yeah, we had that discussion. I believe we will have more success with an old school P&R than with the Triangle.

Good defensive teams can stop PnR. There's a reason why GSW don't use it. If you have a group of players who can Shoot, handle a bit, move well and pass the Triangle or GSW offense is extremely hard to stop. PnR is a simple action but not a complete offense. Whereas the Triangle is a complete offense that you can run PnR within. EVERYONE touches the ball and is involved!!!

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

By Al Iannazzone al.iannazzone@newsday.com

ORLANDO, Fla. — Jeff Hornacek said he texted Carmelo Anthony after Phil Jackson’s presidency ended on Wednesday. But Hornacek paused a few seconds when he was asked if he wanted Anthony on the roster next season, and he never said yes.

“Carmelo’s a great player,” Hornacek said Thursday. “The guy can really score the ball. So that’s management decisions and us coaches, we coach who they give us.”

Jackson’s departure doesn’t mean the Knicks won’t still try to move Anthony, who has a no-trade clause in his contract. His future as a Knick remains a major question heading into the busy part of the offseason.

Free agency begins at 12:01 a.m. Saturday, and the Knicks’ plans have changed now that Jackson is no longer calling the shots. The change is the kind of players they will pursue.

Last season, Hornacek said the Knicks would be looking for players that fit the system, which was the triangle offense. That’s not the case anymore, Hornacek said after summer league practice Thursday. Hornacek said he spoke to Madison Square Garden executive chairman James Dolan and general manager Steve Mills and they’re “all on the same page.”

“I don’t think you necessarily need to look at, 'Does a guy fit this system or that system?' ” Hornacek said. “It’s, ‘Can this guy play ball? Can we mold him into what we want to do?’ ”

It’s certainly a change in philosophy from the last three years when Jackson continually went after players to fit his system rather than play one that fits the personnel. Hornacek made it sound as if the Knicks are going the more conventional and popular route now.

“We’re always trying to figure out what’s best for our players,” Hornacek said. “We don’t even know what the roster is going to end up looking like. We have some ideas. But all of that will come together later in the summer.”

Hornacek said he isn’t totally abandoning the triangle. He said most teams, including the Warriors and Spurs, use triangle aspects or options. But he plans to blend in more pick-and-rolls, play more up-tempo, and try to space the floor more.

That’s what worked for Hornacek when he coached in Phoenix. The Suns played small, fast, ran pick-and-rolls and shot a high volume of three-pointers.

“We’re going to work on different things and add things, find an offense that fits,” Hornacek said. “We’re going to do a lot of things from last year, some new things and we’ll blend it. Maybe it gives us some more space.”

Last season, Hornacek tried to “blend” offenses, but by February Jackson made him go all-in on the triangle. Jackson even gave a triangle clinic to the guards.

Hornacek said he didn’t feel confined running a system he’s never played in or coached. Yet he did say he believed free agents would look at the Knicks differently since they’re not going to be sold on playing the triangle.

“I would think so,” Hornacek said. “Golden State, San Antonio had portions of it. Every team. When you look at the triangle and you look at what it could do there’s a lot of options and there’s a lot you can do. You can take pieces of it. You can spread it out. You can do all kinds of things. I don’t think that should be an issue.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-no-longer-looking-for-players-to-fit-a-system-1.13773325

More P&R Nix! Thats one thing Jeff wasn't allowed to run with any frequency. I wont go into convulsions if I see the Triangle occasionally. The Triangle wont be the first and last thing on this franchise's agenda anymore, hallelujah!

Given the success Jeff saw with his Early Spread PnR it's not a shock to think he'd look to do it more. The thing that makes me laugh is how no one notices that the Warriors barely run any PnR!!! They ran far less than the KNICKS did last year. GS like the Triangle uses Drag Screens, Dribble Handoffs, Cuts and tons of Pin Down Screens. Pretty much the non post portion of the Triangle.

I'll be glad to see more of Jeff's other schemes which he didn't use last season. I expect Jeff will run special things for players strengths as he gets to know them. Should be interesting.

Yeah, we had that discussion. I believe we will have more success with an old school P&R than with the Triangle.

Good defensive teams can stop PnR. There's a reason why GSW don't use it. If you have a group of players who can Shoot, handle a bit, move well and pass the Triangle or GSW offense is extremely hard to stop. PnR is a simple action but not a complete offense. Whereas the Triangle is a complete offense that you can run PnR within. EVERYONE touches the ball and is involved!!!

Warriors have 3-4 future HOFers in the starting lineup who can get their own shot, we need all the help we can get. Talking about the Triangle as a set, not the all encompassing life choice. Don't want to see the team run the P&R exclusively of course, more than near the bottom of league, which the Knicks were last season at running it.

Jeff ran a lot of P&R successfully his first season in Phoenix, and was coach of the year runner up to Pops that season.

Of course GSW have great players but they aren't going ISO all game!!! The run the MOST Screens that are not PnR related. They create open shots and layups using motion and screens with MULTIPLE OPTIONS at every stage. It's not JUST that they have great players. The offense enhances their talent and team execution. Those very same actions would help our players as well.

Jeff is using the Triangle as a base because it's an established system that isn't about one play! If you don't have great PnR players it gives these players a means to function as a team. Also Jeff's offense in PHX was much closer to the Triangle than you think

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

By Al Iannazzone al.iannazzone@newsday.com

ORLANDO, Fla. — Jeff Hornacek said he texted Carmelo Anthony after Phil Jackson’s presidency ended on Wednesday. But Hornacek paused a few seconds when he was asked if he wanted Anthony on the roster next season, and he never said yes.

“Carmelo’s a great player,” Hornacek said Thursday. “The guy can really score the ball. So that’s management decisions and us coaches, we coach who they give us.”

Jackson’s departure doesn’t mean the Knicks won’t still try to move Anthony, who has a no-trade clause in his contract. His future as a Knick remains a major question heading into the busy part of the offseason.

Free agency begins at 12:01 a.m. Saturday, and the Knicks’ plans have changed now that Jackson is no longer calling the shots. The change is the kind of players they will pursue.

Last season, Hornacek said the Knicks would be looking for players that fit the system, which was the triangle offense. That’s not the case anymore, Hornacek said after summer league practice Thursday. Hornacek said he spoke to Madison Square Garden executive chairman James Dolan and general manager Steve Mills and they’re “all on the same page.”

“I don’t think you necessarily need to look at, 'Does a guy fit this system or that system?' ” Hornacek said. “It’s, ‘Can this guy play ball? Can we mold him into what we want to do?’ ”

It’s certainly a change in philosophy from the last three years when Jackson continually went after players to fit his system rather than play one that fits the personnel. Hornacek made it sound as if the Knicks are going the more conventional and popular route now.

“We’re always trying to figure out what’s best for our players,” Hornacek said. “We don’t even know what the roster is going to end up looking like. We have some ideas. But all of that will come together later in the summer.”

Hornacek said he isn’t totally abandoning the triangle. He said most teams, including the Warriors and Spurs, use triangle aspects or options. But he plans to blend in more pick-and-rolls, play more up-tempo, and try to space the floor more.

That’s what worked for Hornacek when he coached in Phoenix. The Suns played small, fast, ran pick-and-rolls and shot a high volume of three-pointers.

“We’re going to work on different things and add things, find an offense that fits,” Hornacek said. “We’re going to do a lot of things from last year, some new things and we’ll blend it. Maybe it gives us some more space.”

Last season, Hornacek tried to “blend” offenses, but by February Jackson made him go all-in on the triangle. Jackson even gave a triangle clinic to the guards.

Hornacek said he didn’t feel confined running a system he’s never played in or coached. Yet he did say he believed free agents would look at the Knicks differently since they’re not going to be sold on playing the triangle.

“I would think so,” Hornacek said. “Golden State, San Antonio had portions of it. Every team. When you look at the triangle and you look at what it could do there’s a lot of options and there’s a lot you can do. You can take pieces of it. You can spread it out. You can do all kinds of things. I don’t think that should be an issue.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-no-longer-looking-for-players-to-fit-a-system-1.13773325

More P&R Nix! Thats one thing Jeff wasn't allowed to run with any frequency. I wont go into convulsions if I see the Triangle occasionally. The Triangle wont be the first and last thing on this franchise's agenda anymore, hallelujah!

Given the success Jeff saw with his Early Spread PnR it's not a shock to think he'd look to do it more. The thing that makes me laugh is how no one notices that the Warriors barely run any PnR!!! They ran far less than the KNICKS did last year. GS like the Triangle uses Drag Screens, Dribble Handoffs, Cuts and tons of Pin Down Screens. Pretty much the non post portion of the Triangle.

I'll be glad to see more of Jeff's other schemes which he didn't use last season. I expect Jeff will run special things for players strengths as he gets to know them. Should be interesting.

Yeah, we had that discussion. I believe we will have more success with an old school P&R than with the Triangle.

Good defensive teams can stop PnR. There's a reason why GSW don't use it. If you have a group of players who can Shoot, handle a bit, move well and pass the Triangle or GSW offense is extremely hard to stop. PnR is a simple action but not a complete offense. Whereas the Triangle is a complete offense that you can run PnR within. EVERYONE touches the ball and is involved!!!

Warriors have 3-4 future HOFers in the starting lineup who can get their own shot, we need all the help we can get. Talking about the Triangle as a set, not the all encompassing life choice. Don't want to see the team run the P&R exclusively of course, more than near the bottom of league, which the Knicks were last season at running it.

Jeff ran a lot of P&R successfully his first season in Phoenix, and was coach of the year runner up to Pops that season.

Of course GSW have great players but they aren't going ISO all game!!! The run the MOST Screens that are not PnR related. They create open shots and layups using motion and screens with MULTIPLE OPTIONS at every stage. It's not JUST that they have great players. The offense enhances their talent and team execution. Those very same actions would help our players as well.

Jeff is using the Triangle as a base because it's an established system that isn't about one play! If you don't have great PnR players it gives these players a means to function as a team. Also Jeff's offense in PHX was much closer to the Triangle than you seem to realize:

Dont believe the team ever got a real chance to find out how well they could run the P&R. Hornacek's own players in Phoenix said that it wasnt his fault that he got fired. He was caught in the middle of a large beef between mgmt and players (sound familiar?) and bad roster moves. Lets see what happens when Jeff coaches (hopefully) without mgmt interference, and disgruntled players.

LOL I posted the wrong video the first time.