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SAS on First Take: Melo will take less from a buyout for Cavs or Trade to Rockets
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6/29/2017  12:31 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..


First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled


Second Round


2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.


President is more powerful than GM, right? So you'd rather see Mills and Dolan be the two most powerful people in the organization?
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6/29/2017  12:38 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..


First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled


Second Round


2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.

It doesn't matter who comes because they are going out. Keep Mills and promote Houston to GM.

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6/29/2017  12:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2017  1:20 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Im guessing Ryan Anderson would be involved. Read that they're trying to move him. This is their draft situation..


First Round

2018 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC

2019 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2020 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2021 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2022 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2023 - 1-3 Own; 4-30 to LAC if not already settled

2024 - To LAC if not already settled


Second Round


2018 - To PHL; least favorable of CHA, MEM and MIA (via MEM)

2019 - Most favorable of HOU, ORL, CLE and POR to ORL; two least favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to NYK; less favorable of (i) POR and (ii) most favorable of HOU, ORL and CLE to DET (via ORL swap for CLE or HOU (via CLE and HOU to NYK); via POR to ORL to DET)

2020 - Own

2021 - Own

2022 - Own

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

Thanks for the leg work. Would have to be Ryan Anderson and Ariza since Melo makes 26mil +TK and Anderson makes 19.

Forward Anderson to Minny for Rubio
Forward Anderson to Utah for Favors
Forward Anderson to Denver for Faried
Forward Anderson to Mavs for Matthews and pick

I would love to get Ariza, always liked him.

Cant believe Aria is still in the league, and a good role player. Like he discovered the fountain of youth. Been in the league a long time.

I wonder if he is still delusional?

I vaguely remember that quote, lol. You're going to have to refresh my my memory.

With James activated, Ariza could be deactivated. Brown is furious Ariza raised the issue Monday that a lack of communication existed and “confusion” reigned in the locker room.

Ariza, 20, was angered Brown told the beat writers before he told him of his demotion.

“Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times,” Brown said. “He’s just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It’s what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn’t know what’s going on, he’s delusional.”

Brown questioned the UCLA product’s attitude.

“It has nothing to do with how he’s playing,” he said. “It has nothing to do with basketball. He’s just got to grow up a little and understand it’s a team and he’s got to act like a good teammate.

“Sometimes when they hear it from me, that’s just coach,” Brown said. “We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn’t know, it’s because UCLA wasn’t a good academic institution.”

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

Ariza, last season’s golden-boy rookie, said, “He just wanted the most out of me. He didn’t feel I was giving him everything I had. Everyone has their own opinion.”

The latest feuds involving Brown, Ariza and James underscore a deeper issue of whether Brown is motivating or turning off the players.

Brown’s brutal honesty hasn’t thrilled Isiah Thomas. When last week’s Stephon Marbury war erupted, Isiah told Brown to ease up. But Brown, 65, will do what he wants, and was stunned he had to take a media-training class in preseason

Crazy how similar the circumstances are today.

Thats it. Yup, one big happy family!

I hope Dolan does an honest to goodness search this time for the best pres. Not those consultants who suggested that Mills should be the GM. I wouldnt mind Mills going back to being president if Gaines got promoted to GM though. Would be nice to see someone in-house earn the job. From what I've read he is a free thinker, not a company man. Might rule him out, but I would prefer Gaines to a celebrity hire.


President is more powerful than GM, right? So you'd rather see Mills and Dolan be the two most powerful people in the organization?

Mills (as Phil said) mostly does paperwork. Phil had an oversized role in the decision making process. Thats why other execs allegedly tried to talk to Phil on the phone, not Mills.

The GM role was effectively neutered. Ideally I would want Gaines to make the call on trades, drafting, etc. and Mills doing what he can as pres to help the GM get what he wants to build a contender.

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6/29/2017  12:46 PM
Thinking about it. Why was Mills the GM anyway if he isn't the guy capable of taking over. Why weren't we grooming a GM that could take over for Phil when he leaves. Should have hired Phil's eventual replacement the same time Phil was hired since he wasn't going to last longer then the 5 yr contract initially offered anyway.
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6/29/2017  12:51 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Thinking about it. Why was Mills the GM anyway if he isn't the guy capable of taking over. Why weren't we grooming a GM that could take over for Phil when he leaves. Should have hired Phil's eventual replacement the same time Phil was hired since he wasn't going to last longer then the 5 yr contract initially offered anyway.

If Mills was so capable, I believe Phil would have let him run the team with much less input.
Im trying to cut Mills some slack because I dont believe its fair to blame him as GM for Phil's decisions. I have seen enough of Mills as GM to be convinced that that we can definitely do better, even within the organization.

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6/29/2017  1:10 PM
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mlby1215 wrote: I thought we fired Phil for you!! Melo!! we fired Phil for you and you go away??? Then why did we fire him now? Think for KP!! You told him what to do and go rebel but you go to find a better team? It is very far from your son!! Houston!! You said you love to be here!! Fans everywhere support you everyday! we keep recycling everything bad about Phil and Rambis and make sure we ruined their career forever but now you go away? Why have we done this? Do you get the news? Isiah Thomas would be a "dark horse" to be our new GM!! we didn't kill Phil for him!! Please!! We killed Phil for you only!!

we have to call some Melo fans to ask him to be here! At least ask him to agree with a trade and give us some picks.

His deal is untradeable. Melo probably would have worked with Phil on a buyout before the presser. PHil needed to approach Melo as a partner not create bad blood. He took the shaming approach and it might be one of the reasons he isn't with the Knicks.

Dolan told phil he was ok with trading melo as long as he had a legit player coming back (phil made that very clear in april and in his recent press conference) so I guess it's safe to assume that, a buy out was never an option unless it was rock bottom. Dolan is not putting a 17 win roster on the floor, and I don't think anything is going to happen with Anthony until a new prez is in place.

Obviously Mills is a puppet, why else they wouldn't promote him

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6/29/2017  2:19 PM
whether or not it's deserved, Melo is regarded as an all-star and has some trade value as well as value to the team if is forced to either play the right way or lose playing time. I'd be willing to do a buyout but he'd have to give up most of his salary (which I doubt he'd do). I couldn't justify paying him 8 figures per year to play on another team.
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6/29/2017  2:54 PM
Melo to Houston is crazy. According to Ramona Shelbourne, MDA is still very bruised from his time in NY. However, I have been messing around with the realgm trade checker and I believe this is the best scenario for us and all involved...

New York Knicks Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Ricky Rubio, Danillo Gallinari
Outgoing Players: Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn

Houston Rockets Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Carmelo Anthony
Outgoing Players: Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza

Minnesota Timberwolves Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Ryan Anderson
Outgoing Players: Ricky Rubio, Nemanja Bjelica

Denver Nuggets Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Kyle O'Quinn, Trevor Ariza, Nemanja Bjelica
Outgoing Players: Danillo Gallinari

Knicks get vets in the PG and SF spot. We will be the ultimate Euro team.

Houston gets to complete their Big 3.

Minnesota gets rid of Rubio and gets their stretch 4.

Denver gets something of value for Gallinari who will be a free agent. They get players that have very good contracts.

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6/29/2017  3:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2017  3:55 PM
Carmelo Anthony has told the Knicks that he wants a buyout—but his demand comes with a major stipulation.

Anthony reportedly would only accept a buyout—for less than the $54.2 million owed him—to join the Cleveland Cavaliers.

It was previously reported that Carmelo would consider a buyout to join Chris Paul and James Harden in Houston, but that appears to be no longer the case.


Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/carmelo-anthony-only-accept-buyout-cavaliers/#ifqQmDEwtxAASoCB.99

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JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony has told the Knicks that he wants a buyout—but his demand comes with a major stipulation.

Anthony reportedly would only accept a buyout—for less than the $54.2 million owed him—to join the Cleveland Cavaliers.

It was previously reported that Carmelo would consider a buyout to join Chris Paul and James Harden in Houston, but that appears to be no longer the case.


Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/carmelo-anthony-only-accept-buyout-cavaliers/#ifqQmDEwtxAASoCB.99


Why is that a requirement for the buyout? The Knicks can't control whether Cleveland signs him after the buyout.
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6/29/2017  4:03 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony has told the Knicks that he wants a buyout—but his demand comes with a major stipulation.

Anthony reportedly would only accept a buyout—for less than the $54.2 million owed him—to join the Cleveland Cavaliers.

It was previously reported that Carmelo would consider a buyout to join Chris Paul and James Harden in Houston, but that appears to be no longer the case.


Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/carmelo-anthony-only-accept-buyout-cavaliers/#ifqQmDEwtxAASoCB.99


Why is that a requirement for the buyout? The Knicks can't control whether Cleveland signs him after the buyout.

Yea I don't understand why or how a buyout would have implications with other teams once its done.

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6/29/2017  4:28 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Melo to Houston is crazy. According to Ramona Shelbourne, MDA is still very bruised from his time in NY. However, I have been messing around with the realgm trade checker and I believe this is the best scenario for us and all involved...

New York Knicks Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Ricky Rubio, Danillo Gallinari
Outgoing Players: Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn

Houston Rockets Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Carmelo Anthony
Outgoing Players: Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza

Minnesota Timberwolves Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Ryan Anderson
Outgoing Players: Ricky Rubio, Nemanja Bjelica

Denver Nuggets Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Kyle O'Quinn, Trevor Ariza, Nemanja Bjelica
Outgoing Players: Danillo Gallinari

Knicks get vets in the PG and SF spot. We will be the ultimate Euro team.

Houston gets to complete their Big 3.

Minnesota gets rid of Rubio and gets their stretch 4.

Denver gets something of value for Gallinari who will be a free agent. They get players that have very good contracts.

I know Ramona was fed info from Phil. Who is her source now?
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6/29/2017  4:37 PM
Would you trade melo for Ryan Anderson (about 3 yrs remaining at $20mil per year)?
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6/29/2017  4:45 PM
smackeddog wrote:Would you trade melo for Ryan Anderson (about 3 yrs remaining at $20mil per year)?

No.

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smackeddog wrote:Would you trade melo for Ryan Anderson (about 3 yrs remaining at $20mil per year)?

No.


Me neither, but that's the deal I'm fearing. I'd rather do it for Gordon, Ariza and scraps.

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6/29/2017  6:33 PM
Melo wants to go to a team with either Lebron or CP3 so it will that much easier to undermine management in the future. After all, he's getting older now and needs some help.
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6/29/2017  6:52 PM
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Knixkik wrote:What can Ryan Anderson get us from a 3rd team?

Good question. His 3pt shooting might come in handy for a contender.

Last I heard teams wanted the rockets to give them 2 first for Anderson..... so zilch is what we'll get for him

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6/29/2017  6:55 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:
Knixkik wrote:What can Ryan Anderson get us from a 3rd team?

Good question. His 3pt shooting might come in handy for a contender.

Last I heard teams wanted the rockets to give them 2 first for Anderson..... so zilch is what we'll get for him

You mean the rockets want two 1st round picks? Anderson still shoots the three well, thats what teams are looking for these days, but that deal of his....

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6/29/2017  7:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2017  7:32 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
wargames wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Knixkik wrote:What can Ryan Anderson get us from a 3rd team?

Good question. His 3pt shooting might come in handy for a contender.

Last I heard teams wanted the rockets to give them 2 first for Anderson..... so zilch is what we'll get for him

You mean the rockets want two 1st round picks? Anderson still shoots the three well, thats what teams are looking for these days, but that deal of his....

No teams told the Rockets that the Rockets would have give them two 1st round picks for them to take on Andersons contract.

So if we get Anderson we would likely be stuck with him.

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6/29/2017  7:31 PM
wargames wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
wargames wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Knixkik wrote:What can Ryan Anderson get us from a 3rd team?

Good question. His 3pt shooting might come in handy for a contender.

Last I heard teams wanted the rockets to give them 2 first for Anderson..... so zilch is what we'll get for him

You mean the rockets want two 1st round picks? Anderson still shoots the three well, thats what teams are looking for these days, but that deal of his....

No teams told the Rockets they had to give give them two 1st round picks for them to take on Andersons contract.

They've ALL made the same offer? Wow.

SAS on First Take: Melo will take less from a buyout for Cavs or Trade to Rockets

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