Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks spent all their cap room on aging, overrated veterans. How can you say they were rebuilding? Because they didn't trade away their 1st round picks? By that definition, the Spurs and Warriors are rebuilding! At best, you could say Phil was "half-building"

THe moves for Rose and Noah were made as a last ditch effort to placate Melo and hopefully get him to play the right way. The problem is Noah got hurt, Rose missed training camp and Melo stayed Melo.

The Rose move was low risk and I am against re-signing him. The Noah move was made to replace RoLO and also to have someone there who could be a role model for KP and Willy. The jury is out on this one but early indications are not good.

Holiday was a good pick up in that deal and hopefully he sticks around as a solid guy off the bench.

As for picks, not only should they not be used to get garbage on the court but they should definitely NOT be used to get a guy in the front office that doesnt even play!!

Forget all these guys that are under contract. Hire Houston as the Team President and let Mills be the GM, paperwork guy. Houston and Hornacek can work on getting the guys they want.

Just to placate Melo? Melo shouldn't have even been here on a super max contract if we were rebuilding. I don't see spending 8 figures/year on Lee for ages 31 to 35 as rebuilding either. Phil kept our draft picks. By that definition, 90% of the league is rebuilding.

I agree Melo should not have been here. I am of the opinion that was a Dolan move not a Phil Move but phil signed off so he has to take blame. Also that was his first summer and first big idea. The idea there was to "transform" Melo into a winning type of player. Phil's ego thought he could do it back then.

It didn't work. Thus, the idea of the full rebuild started sometime midway through this past season. If you recall Phil thought this was a playoff team in the first years. They were not.

Also, no 1st round picks for the first summer and then KP and then no 1st pick again...hard to rebuild that way. No all 1st round picks, 3 young guys to build around at least and a decent amount of young talent to look at. Time to rebuild...get a 4th rotation player next draft and away they can go.

Lee is another vet brought here with Rose and Noah to give Melo a solid group to play with if only he could do that.

CrushAlot wrote:Dolan blocked the Lowry trade because he didn't want to give up the 2018 pick. Not sure why that would change now. It is not like the Knicks are one piece away.

Not true. Dolan was in negotiations with Phil and Phil advised against trading the pick for Lowry.

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Dolan blocked the Lowry trade because he didn't want to give up the 2018 pick. Not sure why that would change now. It is not like the Knicks are one piece away.

Not true. Dolan was in negotiations with Phil and Phil advised against trading the pick for Lowry.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Dolan blocked the Lowry trade because he didn't want to give up the 2018 pick. Not sure why that would change now. It is not like the Knicks are one piece away.

Not true. Dolan was in negotiations with Phil and Phil advised against trading the pick for Lowry.

I never heard that version of this. Do you have a source or link?

Bonn1997 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Dolan blocked the Lowry trade because he didn't want to give up the 2018 pick. Not sure why that would change now. It is not like the Knicks are one piece away.

Not true. Dolan was in negotiations with Phil and Phil advised against trading the pick for Lowry.

I never heard that version of this. Do you have a source or link?

Not my job. Research the time frame, there was plenty of chatter about this.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Yeah i don't care about us signing bigger name players, just as long as we don't trade picks. Picks are too important.

Extremely important. It fields more Briggs prospect threads. (Which i enjoy)

Thanasis
Early
Grant
Hardaway Jr.
Papanakaliaou
Shumperr
Landry
Rautins
Jordan Hill
Gallinari
Chandler
Marry Collins
Renaldo
Dijon Thompson
David Lee
Frye
Ariza
Slavko Veranes
Marceij Lampe
Michael Sweetney
Nene
Eric Ceneweth
Michael Wright
Lavar Postal
Donald Harvey
Jr Koch
Fredrich Weiss

Frank??? This **** organization wouldn"t know how to pick a good player if it hit them in the ass. Yeah I know KP!! Look up at the list and tell me what our average is.

Definitely would not have traded any of those guys or a future lottery ticker for Lowry.

Btw, everyone keeps applauding Phil for not trading future first rounders. Has anyone else seen what Crush has been saying...HE WAS NOT ABLE TO TRADE A FUTURE FIRST ROUNDER UNTIL 2018.

But anyway. Sorry to disturb the mourning process.

You are listing late second-round picks and players who were carried for practice, not development. Nor were many of these players ever allowed to play and develop. If you compare the number of hits against the total, you might find the Knicks are not much better or worse than any other team.

Yes. Some 1st in there as well. Top 10's. And you just re enforced my point. The draft is a lottery ticket. And the Knicks seem to love the long shots.

The Knicks are as susceptible to the whims of the draft as any other team. You are generalizing about decades of picks as if there's a common theme. There isn't.

Why is it news to you that its a lottery? Free agency is just as risky and the Knicks have consistently chased big name starphucks - how does that ever turn out?