nixluva wrote:

Sinix wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Sinix wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't see the Doom and Gloom picture here. KP LOVES NY and whatever issue he had with Phil is gone now. Janis and ASM Sports WON. They got what they wanted and really no GM now will have the Power over them. The PRECEDENT has already been set that Melo or KP will have ultimate power over any GM they hire.

Then reality comes and he has to play with a 33 year old Melo. Bad defense that gets worse. Iso play that is getting more and more unathletic.

Soon the fairy tale that Phil Jackson is the source of all Knicks losing is going to come crashing down.

CAA and possibly Isiah Thomas won. Porzingis has always been collateral damage to these other groups meddling. Probably what annoyed Phil a lot with him, that KP was siding with these people who are dragging him down.

I actually expect the Knicks to IMPROVE. Gotta remember that it was likely to happen with natural growth of KP and Willy plus the additional new talent from the draft and upcoming Free Agency. This team will be better IMO. Melo is Melo. His game won't change but the team around him can and will change in terms of how much more they can contribute.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Knicks are little bit beter next season just standing pat.

This is, after all, a Phil Jackson constructed team still and it's a young growing team.

Logically KP should take a jump, WHG should take a jump. Frank should provide something even if he isn't totally ready. Maybe Noah gets healthy and brings something to the table even it's a little.

But on the other side logically Melo should get worse. Especially since he has no one in his ear to get on him about his lack of defense or holding the ball anymore.

Melo is gonna be Melo! I'm not concerned with him to be honest. The real growth will come from the rest of the roster. If KP makes the big jump then this team will be MUCH better. Phil actually targeted a bunch of quality Role Players in the draft and UDFA's. Guys that can Defend, Shoot and Pass. Solid overall skills and used to playing a TEAM GAME. So those guys will fill in around Melo, KP and Willy. This is still a REBUILD. There's not going to be a CP3 coming so it's still a REBUILD.

Aren't you worried about the growth of the rest of the roster when Melo is going to be 33, holds the ball, is breaking down and doesn't play defense. The guy that was pressuring Melo not to do these things is long gone now.

He's the leader of the team. What kind of lessons are the other guys going to take from him?

Maybe we should just resign ourselves with being happy with summer workout instagram videos talking about getting in shape & defense? That's about the best we got from Melo in these areas.

nixluva wrote:I don't see the Doom and Gloom picture here. KP LOVES NY and whatever issue he had with Phil is gone now. Janis and ASM Sports WON. They got what they wanted and really no GM now will have the Power over them. The PRECEDENT has already been set that Melo or KP will have ultimate power over any GM they hire.

So a 2nd year chucker gets to determine the fate of an NBA franchise and Knick fans rejoice. Should of traded this kid

Just came to a point, where Phil's good (drafting, developing young international talent, taking heat off Dolan in the press) didn't outweigh the huge negative that came with him. Phil really didn't hurt this franchise longterm. He helped it. He was better than anyone we've had in the Dolan era (not saying much). He didn't make any stupid enough trade or move that set this franchise back years. As of today we have 3 players who are probably worth as much as any young 3 in the league (combined). Porzingis can net you 2 lottery picks and a starter. Ntilikina is a lottery pick. Willy Gomez is an all first team rookie, who I think could get you a late lottery pick as well. Had Phil not had to deal with Melo on the roster or the fact that he had 2 first round picks traded away that first year in 2014, would have been an even better situation right now.

I'm very appreciative of Phil's work with the developing of young players, bringing in international talent and incorporating a drafting structure and consistency. However he also messed up in free agency, made some pretty bad or questionable trades. Too much conflict with star players and media.

I just hope the Knicks learned from the good Phil did and bring someone who will add to that, while upgrading the negative aspects of Phil Jackson (trades, free agency). We don't want someone who will come in and trade one of KP/Willy/Ntilikina. We don't want someone who wants to trade the 2018 or any future first round pick. We want a guy who wants to develop the young lottery level talent we have, and also bring in more good active 2-way players. I really thought Phil did a good job in this draft to get two way players.

I am very concerned that this team wants to sign Jeff Teague or Kyle Lowry or Derick Rose. That is not what we need. We need to give Ntilikina and Baker more run. We need to aim for a top 5 lottery pick next year. No one's getting close to Cleveland or Boston this coming season. Adding a declining star vet on a huge deal is not the way to go. I was quite confident Phil was heading in that direction. Now I'm concerned we'll try to get into the playoffs around Melo/KP next year. Which is typical Dolan move. Skip the re-build, go for the quick fix. Sell of longterm assets for a quick fix.

nixluva wrote:I don't see the Doom and Gloom picture here. KP LOVES NY and whatever issue he had with Phil is gone now. Janis and ASM Sports WON. They got what they wanted and really no GM now will have the Power over them. The PRECEDENT has already been set that Melo or KP will have ultimate power over any GM they hire.

Do you think any team in the league will hire phil?