Knixkik wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Hate Melo. Still like KP but he is on notice. Needs to be an All-Star THIS year!!

This is the definition of knicks fans having no patience. Dirk wasn't even an all-star in year 3.

Don't know if Dirk pull shyt like KP did.

Chandler wrote:Chinese proverb: be careful what you wish for...

Saviors or divas

Chinese proverbs are only good for selling cookies.

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:This is on Phil. The Knicks were historically bad. I think Dolan was ok with a Melo trade. I think the buyout, trading KP and resigning Rose was just too much. The Knicks have been at the bottom for roster continuity, front office ratings, and as a destinations toon for players. The thing that is always scary is who is taking over.

Crush you got your wish.

Did you read the full quote? He and I are happy Phil is gone but we haven't gotten anything yet since we don't know who the next president will be.

I'm glad you guys are happy. We now have Mills running the show, Dolan looking for a GM or president (something he has a lot of experience doing at this point), and Melo and KP rewarded for intransigence. Great!!

As I said be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

No one said anything about being happy. It depends on who is hired to be the next pres. I don't think if you are really bad at your job that you should be able to keep it because the guy that is hired to replace you might be worse. I have read good things about Tim Leweike who is helping with the search for the next pres.

Sorry I was presumptuous; Bonn said the two of you were happy

For what it's worth: though I thought your criticism at many points was not (what I considered) balanced, I do think you (and crzy) both posted thought-out criticisms of Phil. Phil was bad at certain things for sure, and certainly made mistakes but he was certainly not bad at all things: draft, desire to create an ecosystem and institution, desire for two-way play with player and ball movement, and holding people accountable. Now with the benefit of hindsight, he certainly made a huge mistake re-signing Melo and thinking he could transform him into a superstar in the pinch post, and a big (but lesser) mistake with Noah. FWIW in both instance his recent efforts were to unwind those mistakes. What did people want him to do -- double down on them? I also think there is very little credit paid to just how difficult the task was. Put aside NYC and melodrama, there are 20-25 teams in the league who truly want to win but struggle even maintaining mediocrity. The situation is getting harder with superstars converging to form fewer super teams -- they're all going to get paid wherever they go, they have more money thnn they need, and they want a trophy -- even if the process tarnishes it a bit. It's hard stuff to take a dismal franchise out of the gutter. Phil's job was made all the harder because of NY Media and Melodrama. Everyone wanted near perfection and instant results. Every mistake blown out of proportion -- how many contracts turn out to be horrible in retrospect. Phil doesn't have a monopoly on that

Having said that, we're now in a huge mess. I hope I'm wrong.

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:This is on Phil. The Knicks were historically bad. I think Dolan was ok with a Melo trade. I think the buyout, trading KP and resigning Rose was just too much. The Knicks have been at the bottom for roster continuity, front office ratings, and as a destinations toon for players. The thing that is always scary is who is taking over.

Crush you got your wish.

Did you read the full quote? He and I are happy Phil is gone but we haven't gotten anything yet since we don't know who the next president will be.

I'm glad you guys are happy. We now have Mills running the show, Dolan looking for a GM or president (something he has a lot of experience doing at this point), and Melo and KP rewarded for intransigence. Great!!

As I said be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

Knixkik wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Hate Melo. Still like KP but he is on notice. Needs to be an All-Star THIS year!!

This is the definition of knicks fans having no patience. Dirk wasn't even an all-star in year 3.

Once you make YOURSELF a focal point, well then it is time for you to put up on the court. KP has brought this on himself, IMO.

Also FYI, I am the one who wanted Phil to stay and for a FULL rebuild to take place. I am still in the camp of getting rid of Melo for anything and if you cannot, then simply tell him to stay home. I want to build through picks and playing young players. Let them develop over the next 2-3 years. Then make moves to enhance the team where needed.

I am against signing a Lowry or any one for more than a year. No Starphuch any more like the old knicks.

NY has cap space, young players and picks going forward. This needs to be preserved above all else for the next few years.

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:This is on Phil. The Knicks were historically bad. I think Dolan was ok with a Melo trade. I think the buyout, trading KP and resigning Rose was just too much. The Knicks have been at the bottom for roster continuity, front office ratings, and as a destinations toon for players. The thing that is always scary is who is taking over.

Crush you got your wish.

Did you read the full quote? He and I are happy Phil is gone but we haven't gotten anything yet since we don't know who the next president will be.

I'm glad you guys are happy. We now have Mills running the show, Dolan looking for a GM or president (something he has a lot of experience doing at this point), and Melo and KP rewarded for intransigence. Great!!

As I said be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

I didn't say I was happy with the state of the team. I'm happy the first of many necessary steps was taken (getting rid of a bad president). If the other steps aren't taken, the team is still a disaster. Please don't read any sense of optimism from what I've written. Losing the hopelessness I had with Phil is not the same thing as gaining optimism. We went from -10 to 0 but not into positive territory. It can easily go back to -10, or with a smart hire, could go into positive territory.

What would be a smart hire?

Chandler wrote:Chinese proverb: be careful what you wish for...

Saviors or divas

You do realize the NBA rated phil as one of the worst presidents in the history of the NBA

You do realize he had the worst record in the history of the franchise.

Why are you so upset that he's gone, I kept warning you.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:This is on Phil. The Knicks were historically bad. I think Dolan was ok with a Melo trade. I think the buyout, trading KP and resigning Rose was just too much. The Knicks have been at the bottom for roster continuity, front office ratings, and as a destinations toon for players. The thing that is always scary is who is taking over.

Crush you got your wish.

Did you read the full quote? He and I are happy Phil is gone but we haven't gotten anything yet since we don't know who the next president will be.

I'm glad you guys are happy. We now have Mills running the show, Dolan looking for a GM or president (something he has a lot of experience doing at this point), and Melo and KP rewarded for intransigence. Great!!

As I said be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

I didn't say I was happy with the state of the team. I'm happy the first of many necessary steps was taken (getting rid of a bad president). If the other steps aren't taken, the team is still a disaster. Please don't read any sense of optimism from what I've written. Losing the hopelessness I had with Phil is not the same thing as gaining optimism. We went from -10 to 0 but not into positive territory. It can easily go back to -10, or with a smart hire, could go into positive territory.

What would be a smart hire?

Someone who understands the metrics very well and the game beyond just the stats

Like who?

NYKBocker wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:Chinese proverb: be careful what you wish for...

Saviors or divas

Chinese proverbs are only good for selling cookies.

Those are free

Shish. they're are a ton of Chinese restaurants making mint on HofstraB because he pays for them...

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:This is on Phil. The Knicks were historically bad. I think Dolan was ok with a Melo trade. I think the buyout, trading KP and resigning Rose was just too much. The Knicks have been at the bottom for roster continuity, front office ratings, and as a destinations toon for players. The thing that is always scary is who is taking over.

Crush you got your wish.

Did you read the full quote? He and I are happy Phil is gone but we haven't gotten anything yet since we don't know who the next president will be.

I'm glad you guys are happy. We now have Mills running the show, Dolan looking for a GM or president (something he has a lot of experience doing at this point), and Melo and KP rewarded for intransigence. Great!!

As I said be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

I didn't say I was happy with the state of the team. I'm happy the first of many necessary steps was taken (getting rid of a bad president). If the other steps aren't taken, the team is still a disaster. Please don't read any sense of optimism from what I've written. Losing the hopelessness I had with Phil is not the same thing as gaining optimism. We went from -10 to 0 but not into positive territory. It can easily go back to -10, or with a smart hire, could go into positive territory.

What would be a smart hire?

Someone who understands the metrics very well and the game beyond just the stats

Like who?

The Knicks will probably go for a big name like Ujiri. I think he would be a great hire. There is a bit of a trend by teams to hire player agents to run their teams. Both the warriors and lakers did this. Agents know the cba inside out. They also know and have seen all of the players many times because they scout and recruit. Going that route might be smart.
I also heard a name I don't recall on two podcasts I listened to yesterday. The guy was described as young and up and coming.

Based on what? his drafting is very spotty with some clunkers. His FA and trades are similar, e.g., Demarcus Carrol. His biggest success was fleecing the Knicks twice and us being too stupid to fleece him back once (Lowry).

Oh well fortunately Dolan and Mills will figure this out

Not arguing with your assessment, but Ujiri would still be a step up from the current dysfunction. I would hope that Ujiri will be able to appoint his own GM. I prefer Sam Presti, but at least Ujiri has been able to put a product on the floor that fans can cheer for. Thats like a dream right now.

GustavBahler wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:This is on Phil. The Knicks were historically bad. I think Dolan was ok with a Melo trade. I think the buyout, trading KP and resigning Rose was just too much. The Knicks have been at the bottom for roster continuity, front office ratings, and as a destinations toon for players. The thing that is always scary is who is taking over.

Crush you got your wish.

Did you read the full quote? He and I are happy Phil is gone but we haven't gotten anything yet since we don't know who the next president will be.

I'm glad you guys are happy. We now have Mills running the show, Dolan looking for a GM or president (something he has a lot of experience doing at this point), and Melo and KP rewarded for intransigence. Great!!

As I said be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

I didn't say I was happy with the state of the team. I'm happy the first of many necessary steps was taken (getting rid of a bad president). If the other steps aren't taken, the team is still a disaster. Please don't read any sense of optimism from what I've written. Losing the hopelessness I had with Phil is not the same thing as gaining optimism. We went from -10 to 0 but not into positive territory. It can easily go back to -10, or with a smart hire, could go into positive territory.

What would be a smart hire?

Someone who understands the metrics very well and the game beyond just the stats

Like who?

The Knicks will probably go for a big name like Ujiri. I think he would be a great hire. There is a bit of a trend by teams to hire player agents to run their teams. Both the warriors and lakers did this. Agents know the cba inside out. They also know and have seen all of the players many times because they scout and recruit. Going that route might be smart.
I also heard a name I don't recall on two podcasts I listened to yesterday. The guy was described as young and up and coming.

Based on what? his drafting is very spotty with some clunkers. His FA and trades are similar, e.g., Demarcus Carrol. His biggest success was fleecing the Knicks twice and us being too stupid to fleece him back once (Lowry).

Oh well fortunately Dolan and Mills will figure this out

Not arguing with your assessment, but Ujiri would still be a step up from the current dysfunction. I would hope that Ujiri will be able to appoint his own GM. I prefer Sam Presti, but at least Ujiri has been able to put a product on the floor that fans can cheer for. Thats like a dream right now.

Ujiri and presti would each cost picks

Presti has done great at the top of the draft and meh later. Got too little for harden and nothing for KD. Ny media would have killed Phil for those moves. Guy had 3 mvps (including harden as close enough) and one finals experience!

Sorry I'm not in the anyone but Phil camp. Winning is hard. Holding your top players accountable is suicide in new NBA