fitzfarm wrote:I've come to the conclusion that melo is here to stay ... unless there is a buy out, melo isn't going anywhere he wants to win in ny and I admire him for it. But I will say with his age the only way we win with melo is with him off the bench as a sixth man

I think we should try and trade him for a young wing or a top 10 draft pick, but if we can not, then we should keep him and let him walk at season's end or try again for a trade at deadline.

Move KP to 5 for this year bring Willy off the bench. Move O'Quinn via trade for two second rounders or a late 1st.
Maybe even try to be a playoff team. Probably miss out, but when chemistry was good and defense better 2 years ago we were in the playoffs until injuries hit. 22-22 I believe at one point and that was with rookie KP giving us 14/7 a night. KP may be able to give us 22/8 next year and more consistency. Monk or our lottery pick may be able to start and give us a spark.

If we keep Melo because trade value sucks

Draft Monk, maybe?
Sign PJ Tucker in free agency.
Re-sign Holiday

Porzingis/Hernangomez....Noah
Melo/Thomas..............second round pick or veteran FA on mininum contract?
Tucker/Holiday...........Kuzminskas
Baker/Lee................Sasha?
Monk/Randle..............second round pick or veteran FA for minimum contract?

That's probably a 35-40 win team, depending on where Porzingis, Willy (as a 6th man), and Monk are next year as players. We may even be able to sneak into the playoffs if KP performs like all-star for the season, instead of 4 out of 6 months, Start Baker at 2 (1 on offense) and Monk at 1 (2 on offense). Running the Triangle don't need a typical point guard. Tucker will improve D. Baker is a tenacious defender. KP at 5 with Melo at 4 is quicker and better on D than when they play 4/3 together. You probably improve a little bit on defense this way without losing offense firepower (better spacing as well on O). Bench is stronger with TWO go to scorers like Willy and CLee. You can bring two starting level playrs in CLee and Willy off the bench and they can get the 2nd unit points and good shot creation.

I'm not looking at Melo as a must trade. He and Phil can sit down before the season and talk it out. Phil did this with many of his players only for them to step up and win a championship even down the road. Not that it will happen here, but I don't see why if KP becomes more consistent, stronger and healthy and we draft well with either Monk (or someone like that) why we can't be a competitive lower playoff level team with 2 all-stars like KP/Melo. This team's talent is not the best in the league, but in the East we're easily talent wise a top 6-7 team with some improved role players, KP growing ito a man, team cohesion etc.

nyknickzingis wrote:Melo is in a contract year.
He is not going to tank if he remains a Knick.
He will probably play better than he has the last few years, at least effort wise.
He wants to go into FA looking like a strong asset, so he can get MAX or big contract offers in free agency.

I think we should try and trade him for a young wing or a top 10 draft pick, but if we can not, then we should keep him and let him walk at season's end or try again for a trade at deadline.

Move KP to 5 for this year bring Willy off the bench. Move O'Quinn via trade for two second rounders or a late 1st.
Maybe even try to be a playoff team. Probably miss out, but when chemistry was good and defense better 2 years ago we were in the playoffs until injuries hit. 22-22 I believe at one point and that was with rookie KP giving us 14/7 a night. KP may be able to give us 22/8 next year and more consistency. Monk or our lottery pick may be able to start and give us a spark.

If we keep Melo because trade value sucks

Draft Monk, maybe?
Sign PJ Tucker in free agency.
Re-sign Holiday

Porzingis/Hernangomez....Noah
Melo/Thomas..............second round pick or veteran FA on mininum contract?
Tucker/Holiday...........Kuzminskas
Baker/Lee................Sasha?
Monk/Randle..............second round pick or veteran FA for minimum contract?

That's probably a 35-40 win team, depending on where Porzingis, Willy (as a 6th man), and Monk are next year as players. We may even be able to sneak into the playoffs if KP performs like all-star for the season, instead of 4 out of 6 months, Start Baker at 2 (1 on offense) and Monk at 1 (2 on offense). Running the Triangle don't need a typical point guard. Tucker will improve D. Baker is a tenacious defender. KP at 5 with Melo at 4 is quicker and better on D than when they play 4/3 together. You probably improve a little bit on defense this way without losing offense firepower (better spacing as well on O). Bench is stronger with TWO go to scorers like Willy and CLee. You can bring two starting level playrs in CLee and Willy off the bench and they can get the 2nd unit points and good shot creation.

I'm not looking at Melo as a must trade. He and Phil can sit down before the season and talk it out. Phil did this with many of his players only for them to step up and win a championship even down the road. Not that it will happen here, but I don't see why if KP becomes more consistent, stronger and healthy and we draft well with either Monk (or someone like that) why we can't be a competitive lower playoff level team with 2 all-stars like KP/Melo. This team's talent is not the best in the league, but in the East we're easily talent wise a top 6-7 team with some improved role players, KP growing ito a man, team cohesion etc.

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

Its funny I never see you on here unless you are going to war for melo. does he have you on speed dial?

I've never been one to play make believe, wanna-be GM. Smells too much like fantasy league circle jerking...
And BRIGGS has every possible draft pick in the solar system dissected, rated and set, so what's the point?

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Would agree that hard to compare the two as one actually plays the games and the other shows up to watch just a few. I'm am not the only one suggesting that maybe just maybe, the team did not need to be gutted prior to Phil but merely altered (like every other NBA team at the end of the year) Melo has always been our best player. As papabear said, you may not like his style of play but he is one of the best scorers in NBA history. And if you dont think so then dont extend him for 5 year with a NTC. If you do then you have to be smart enough to surround him with the right players and take advantage of his natural skill.
Did he not play like an MVP when we put just a few right pieces around him? Agree with Papabear and have said it for a long time. Phil's ego has and Wil always be the issue keepimg him feom succeeding as an exec. As for Phil, would not be complaining if things were more in order, we were headed in the right direction, had some continuity and were not the laughing stock of the NBA. That is all Phil. Like I said, KP was the first thing the Sheep went to in order to defend Phil. If he gives up on him just two years in, it will confirm all that I feared about him. That puts him as a bigger failure than IT.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Would agree that hard to compare the two as one actually plays the games and the other shows up to watch just a few. I'm am not the only one suggesting that maybe just maybe, the team did not need to be gutted prior to Phil but merely altered (like every other NBA team at the end of the year) Melo has always been our best player. As papabear said, you may not like his style of play but he is one of the best scorers in NBA history. And if you dont think so then dont extend him for 5 year with a NTC. If you do then you have to be smart enough to surround him with the right players and take advantage of his natural skill.
Did he not play like an MVP when we put just a few right pieces around him? Agree with Papabear and have said it for a long time. Phil's ego has and Wil always be the issue keepimg him feom succeeding as an exec. As for Phil, would not be complaining if things were more in order, we were headed in the right direction, had some continuity and were not the laughing stock of the NBA. That is all Phil. Like I said, KP was the first thing the Sheep went to in order to defend Phil. If he gives up on him just two years in, it will confirm all that I feared about him. That puts him as a bigger failure than IT.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

Its funny I never see you on here unless you are going to war for melo. does he have you on speed dial?