Welpee wrote:

Knicks67 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I think KP is more an All Star level player not a an All NBA player, thats still a nice start, but this league isnt driven by bigs who cant create on their own. Look at Anthony Davis who is a much better player than KP. To win in this league you need ball dominate guards or wings that can create for themselves and others. KP is a nice wing man but he isnt generating offense for his teammates

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

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ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-puts-legacy-line-passing-markelle-fultz-153425097.html

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

KP is 21 and ahead of schedule based on what was expected of him when he was drafted!!! Let's keep that in mind when discussing KP. KP's biggest issue is getting stronger. I have no doubt he'll refine his skills. More importantly as a 7-3 player it's not realistic to expect KP to create on his own all the time. He needs quality perimeter players to get him the ball.

Phil's stated goals are to bring in talent at PG, SF and SG. This draft is RICH with talent at those positions. It's up to Phil to get the right players. In any event this process is going to move on the Knicks own timeline. They can't worry about what stage Boston or Philly are at. Clearly those teams are further along in their process but the Knicks need only worry about their own business.

Was going to write something to that effect. We need a PG who will get KP the ball where he likes it. Who will actually pass to him on a regular basis. Porzingis didn't have that last season from the starting PG. Part of it has to be a PG who wants to form a successful tandem, who doesnt want to be just a one man show. Most big men HOFers had a PG who did a good job of sharing the the rock.

This is the CRUX of the Draft for the Knicks. Get the PG this team needs. Make sure the team gets the kind of 2 Way players they need. Team Oriented players that share the ball etc.

Which is why I find it confusing so many people are still against Frank.

After the first three everybody has major question marks in their game. You can easily justify for or against every player outside of the top three. Plus almost nobody here had even heard of Frank before 30-60 days ago.

Ntilikina has been the top internation prospect since last year when he exploded to take over the U18 euro championship for France. He's been on a radar for awhile.

Fultz isn't a sure thing. Great players transform their college teams into winners. We still don't know if the kid can do that.

What we do know is Ainge, flipped three players who were on their last legs for 3 lottery picks, he got a first round pick for Doc Rivers, sold Rondo at the right time for a draft pick and Jae Crawder, stole Avery Bradely in the draft, got IT for nothing, and picked a top 5 coach out of a small Midwestern college. He missed once or twice in the draft, but delivered a championship, likely 2 if perkins didn't get suspended and rebuilt his team in one season to compete and maintain a winning culture. By all accounts he's the best GM or a top 3 gm with RC Buford and the Warriors.

MS wrote:Fultz isn't a sure thing. Great players transform their college teams into winners. We still don't know if the kid can do that.

What we do know is Ainge, flipped three players who were on their last legs for 3 lottery picks, he got a first round pick for Doc Rivers, sold Rondo at the right time for a draft pick and Jae Crawder, stole Avery Bradely in the draft, got IT for nothing, and picked a top 5 coach out of a small Midwestern college. He missed once or twice in the draft, but delivered a championship, likely 2 if perkins didn't get suspended and rebuilt his team in one season to compete and maintain a winning culture. By all accounts he's the best GM or a top 3 gm with RC Buford and the Warriors.

Agreed Ainge has really set them up to be competitive for a long time. Although The stupidity of the Nets has to be take into account. Believe me the Knicks have made so many dumb trades for the past decade but that Nets trade was just so dumb its hard to imagine its actually real