nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Two years will go by and we would have wasted 5 years with the Triangle. Defenders will claim it was all worth it. And Phil will be pushing it as the best system ever from the range in Montana.

Can anyone tell me why the Lakers never gave Phil full control? I mean the owners daughter was his better half and he won all those championships. Was it his ego, stubbornness, inability to see the future of the NBA or his lack of experience? Dolan's hose job on fans with yet another starphuck name to deflect his inability to manage the franchise has so many fooled.

The more you talk the more clearly you prove a lack of perspective. The Triangle wasn't the problem. The PLAYERS were the problem. Lack of BUY IN. Lack of effort on defense. RESISTANT attitudes.

Now Phil can build with talent that has the right attitude, dedication to winning and playing as a team. So no this will not be a waste of time!

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Two years will go by and we would have wasted 5 years with the Triangle. Defenders will claim it was all worth it. And Phil will be pushing it as the best system ever from the range in Montana.

Can anyone tell me why the Lakers never gave Phil full control? I mean the owners daughter was his better half and he won all those championships. Was it his ego, stubbornness, inability to see the future of the NBA or his lack of experience? Dolan's hose job on fans with yet another starphuck name to deflect his inability to manage the franchise has so many fooled.

The more you talk the more clearly you prove a lack of perspective. The Triangle wasn't the problem. The PLAYERS were the problem. Lack of BUY IN. Lack of effort on defense. RESISTANT attitudes.

Now Phil can build with talent that has the right attitude, dedication to winning and playing as a team. So no this will not be a waste of time!

A couple of things. The triangle emphasizes mid range shots and Phil calls three pointers cheap points. That is a bit alarming. Also, Rambis has a horrible record as a head coach and struggles with having any kind of a rapport with players. He is great at getting guys to opt out if they have a player option but the better alternative would be to not give out bad contracts. Taking the legs out from the coach and going all rigid guy/antiquated offense with Phil/Rambis might have something to do with lack of buy in.
Have you ever wondered why guys with 'the right atttude' ... etc. for Phil/Rambis are all fringe undrafted guys that hope they can find away to stay in the nba for a season or two?

guys with 'the right atttude' are rarity of modern NBA... That's why GS looks so formidable.
Obtain so many guys with 'the right atttude' was the greatest thing they get.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Two years will go by and we would have wasted 5 years with the Triangle. Defenders will claim it was all worth it. And Phil will be pushing it as the best system ever from the range in Montana.

Can anyone tell me why the Lakers never gave Phil full control? I mean the owners daughter was his better half and he won all those championships. Was it his ego, stubbornness, inability to see the future of the NBA or his lack of experience? Dolan's hose job on fans with yet another starphuck name to deflect his inability to manage the franchise has so many fooled.

The more you talk the more clearly you prove a lack of perspective. The Triangle wasn't the problem. The PLAYERS were the problem. Lack of BUY IN. Lack of effort on defense. RESISTANT attitudes.

Now Phil can build with talent that has the right attitude, dedication to winning and playing as a team. So no this will not be a waste of time!

A couple of things. The triangle emphasizes mid range shots and Phil calls three pointers cheap points. That is a bit alarming. Also, Rambis has a horrible record as a head coach and struggles with having any kind of a rapport with players. He is great at getting guys to opt out if they have a player option but the better alternative would be to not give out bad contracts. Taking the legs out from the coach and going all rigid guy/antiquated offense with Phil/Rambis might have something to do with lack of buy in.
Have you ever wondered why guys with 'the right atttude' ... etc. for Phil/Rambis are all fringe undrafted guys that hope they can find away to stay in the nba for a season or two?

You are perpetuating a lie that has grown to be a meme. Rambis as a coach, whether head coach or assistant coach, knows that system ball requires practice and commitment. Phil insists on it. So Rambis plays the part of enforcer when it comes to this stuff. Playing that role will make him unpopular with players who resist the sytem being advocated no matter how many sides it has.

This is far different from being a lousy coach.

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Two years will go by and we would have wasted 5 years with the Triangle. Defenders will claim it was all worth it. And Phil will be pushing it as the best system ever from the range in Montana.

Can anyone tell me why the Lakers never gave Phil full control? I mean the owners daughter was his better half and he won all those championships. Was it his ego, stubbornness, inability to see the future of the NBA or his lack of experience? Dolan's hose job on fans with yet another starphuck name to deflect his inability to manage the franchise has so many fooled.

The more you talk the more clearly you prove a lack of perspective. The Triangle wasn't the problem. The PLAYERS were the problem. Lack of BUY IN. Lack of effort on defense. RESISTANT attitudes.

Now Phil can build with talent that has the right attitude, dedication to winning and playing as a team. So no this will not be a waste of time!

A couple of things. The triangle emphasizes mid range shots and Phil calls three pointers cheap points. That is a bit alarming. Also, Rambis has a horrible record as a head coach and struggles with having any kind of a rapport with players. He is great at getting guys to opt out if they have a player option but the better alternative would be to not give out bad contracts. Taking the legs out from the coach and going all rigid guy/antiquated offense with Phil/Rambis might have something to do with lack of buy in.
Have you ever wondered why guys with 'the right atttude' ... etc. for Phil/Rambis are all fringe undrafted guys that hope they can find away to stay in the nba for a season or two?

You are perpetuating a lie that has grown to be a meme. Rambis as a coach, whether head coach or assistant coach, knows that system ball requires practice and commitment. Phil insists on it. So Rambis plays the part of enforcer when it comes to this stuff. Playing that role will make him unpopular with players who resist the sytem being advocated no matter how many sides it has.

This is far different from being a lousy coach.

The problem is, it took phil 3 1/2 years to fully commit to the triangle himself. He allowed Fish and especially Hornacek to tinker and run hybrids. This breeds confusion...The lack of commitment is not only on the players, its on phil as well...

Weaknesses on our team the last few years.

- No point guard or guard that can run the show. Attack the basket, pass, shoot.
- No consistent second option for Melo in the years before this past one when we got him a second option in Rose.
- Not enough shooting

Phil Jackson has not put enough talent on the team to run any offense at a high level.
All his title teams were loaded with a star guard and a second star.
We have a second tier star in Melo, no high level guard or point guard, not enough shooting.
Then factor defense.

I think the triangle gets too much attention. Phil Jackson's problem hasn't been the Triangle. It's been the lack of overall talent. Outside of Willy and KP, he hasn't added much talent to the team around Melo that looks good.

knicks1248 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Two years will go by and we would have wasted 5 years with the Triangle. Defenders will claim it was all worth it. And Phil will be pushing it as the best system ever from the range in Montana.

Can anyone tell me why the Lakers never gave Phil full control? I mean the owners daughter was his better half and he won all those championships. Was it his ego, stubbornness, inability to see the future of the NBA or his lack of experience? Dolan's hose job on fans with yet another starphuck name to deflect his inability to manage the franchise has so many fooled.

The more you talk the more clearly you prove a lack of perspective. The Triangle wasn't the problem. The PLAYERS were the problem. Lack of BUY IN. Lack of effort on defense. RESISTANT attitudes.

Now Phil can build with talent that has the right attitude, dedication to winning and playing as a team. So no this will not be a waste of time!

A couple of things. The triangle emphasizes mid range shots and Phil calls three pointers cheap points. That is a bit alarming. Also, Rambis has a horrible record as a head coach and struggles with having any kind of a rapport with players. He is great at getting guys to opt out if they have a player option but the better alternative would be to not give out bad contracts. Taking the legs out from the coach and going all rigid guy/antiquated offense with Phil/Rambis might have something to do with lack of buy in.
Have you ever wondered why guys with 'the right atttude' ... etc. for Phil/Rambis are all fringe undrafted guys that hope they can find away to stay in the nba for a season or two?

You are perpetuating a lie that has grown to be a meme. Rambis as a coach, whether head coach or assistant coach, knows that system ball requires practice and commitment. Phil insists on it. So Rambis plays the part of enforcer when it comes to this stuff. Playing that role will make him unpopular with players who resist the sytem being advocated no matter how many sides it has.

This i01+5\s far different from being a lousy coach.

Your basic resolution is to keep fishing for players, even After 60+ players, 3 head coaches, your convince the system is not the problem.

Reports have already surface form several different prospect, in which they have stated that the knicks interview and work out process is like none of the other 29 team in the league. Why doesn't that ring alarms to any of you

Young Players are MUCH more willing to be coached and that is what Phil has learned from his experience in NY. He wasn't very big on young players as a coach but he's grown to appreciate the positives of a moldable young mind when it comes to accepting and buying into the Triangle.

So they've been targeting prospects that have the all around skills and mental disposition to play in a Team Oriented Motion Offense!!! Somehow Media and some fans have turned this into a negative even tho the Spurs and Warriors play that way and look for those same type of players. SMDH!

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Steph, Klay, Iggy and Draymond weren't superstars when Warriors acquired them. . What Warriors did was add a bunch of multifaceted team players.

If Curry was asked to run the offense the way Nash had to. He would be good but he wouldn't be as good as the Curry we see today.

He is more of a combo guard that makes good decisions than a true PG

. AKA Triangle PG. And because he is combo guard who makes good decisions it opens up the offense as its way too versatile. Rather then having Curry be the one trying to create the offense for a bunch of 3 and D guys. They acquired a bunch of multifaceted players like Klay(Shooter who makes smart decisions), Iggy(utility point forward), Draymond(utility point forward) and let them all play their games of creating easy buckets for each other with player and ball movement. Which are the same principals of the triangle.

And this is the reason why Durant left OKC for the Warriors. He was in love with there style of play. 4 guys that just create for each other.

And its the same principals that should apply to our drafts and moves under the triangle. Acquire as many multifacted team players as possible. And allow them to elevate each other.

I agree with most of this post but Iggy was a star. He would have been a much better fit next to Stat or Melo than the other. Steph was the 7th pick in the draft. Hard to forget that. Kay was a lottery pick as well. Green was a second round steal.

Iggy was viewed as a star in 09. In 2013 when he was traded to GS he was viewed as a strong complimentary piece which is what he became on GS. Steph, Klay, Draymond when they were drafted weren't expected to become the level of players they became but of course they were still talented.

Amare Stoudemire was talented to. But if it was young Amare on this squad instead of Draymond Green the whole dynamic changes for that team. Amare can drop 26-9. But he can't defend like Draymond, stretch the floor, or play point forward like Draymond. Melo is talented, but if he was on the GS team instead of Iggy during the first championship the whole dynamic changes for the team. Melo could drop 30-8. But he can't guard multiple positions like Iggy, or play make like Iggy off the dribble.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Steph, Klay, Iggy and Draymond weren't superstars when Warriors acquired them. . What Warriors did was add a bunch of multifaceted team players.

If Curry was asked to run the offense the way Nash had to. He would be good but he wouldn't be as good as the Curry we see today.

He is more of a combo guard that makes good decisions than a true PG

. AKA Triangle PG. And because he is combo guard who makes good decisions it opens up the offense as its way too versatile. Rather then having Curry be the one trying to create the offense for a bunch of 3 and D guys. They acquired a bunch of multifaceted players like Klay(Shooter who makes smart decisions), Iggy(utility point forward), Draymond(utility point forward) and let them all play their games of creating easy buckets for each other with player and ball movement. Which are the same principals of the triangle.

And this is the reason why Durant left OKC for the Warriors. He was in love with there style of play. 4 guys that just create for each other.

And its the same principals that should apply to our drafts and moves under the triangle. Acquire as many multifacted team players as possible. And allow them to elevate each other.

I agree with most of this post but Iggy was a star. He would have been a much better fit next to Stat or Melo than the other. Steph was the 7th pick in the draft. Hard to forget that. Kay was a lottery pick as well. Green was a second round steal.

Iggy was viewed as a star in 09. In 2013 when he was traded to GS he was viewed as a strong complimentary piece which is what he became on GS. Steph, Klay, Draymond when they were drafted weren't expected to become the level of players they became but of course they were still talented.

Amare Stoudemire was talented to. But if it was young Amare on this squad instead of Draymond Green the whole dynamic changes for that team. Amare can drop 26-9. But he can't defend like Draymond, stretch the floor, or play point forward like Draymond. Melo is talented, but if he was on the GS team instead of Iggy during the first championship the whole dynamic changes for the team. Melo could drop 30-8. But he can't guard multiple positions like Iggy, or play make like Iggy off the dribble.

My point was Amare/Iggy or Melo/Iggy was a better pairing then Melo/Amare.

I know that. I was making a separate point in comparing *talent*.

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Two years will go by and we would have wasted 5 years with the Triangle. Defenders will claim it was all worth it. And Phil will be pushing it as the best system ever from the range in Montana.

Can anyone tell me why the Lakers never gave Phil full control? I mean the owners daughter was his better half and he won all those championships. Was it his ego, stubbornness, inability to see the future of the NBA or his lack of experience? Dolan's hose job on fans with yet another starphuck name to deflect his inability to manage the franchise has so many fooled.

The more you talk the more clearly you prove a lack of perspective. The Triangle wasn't the problem. The PLAYERS were the problem. Lack of BUY IN. Lack of effort on defense. RESISTANT attitudes.

Now Phil can build with talent that has the right attitude, dedication to winning and playing as a team. So no this will not be a waste of time!

A couple of things. The triangle emphasizes mid range shots and Phil calls three pointers cheap points. That is a bit alarming. Also, Rambis has a horrible record as a head coach and struggles with having any kind of a rapport with players. He is great at getting guys to opt out if they have a player option but the better alternative would be to not give out bad contracts. Taking the legs out from the coach and going all rigid guy/antiquated offense with Phil/Rambis might have something to do with lack of buy in.
Have you ever wondered why guys with 'the right atttude' ... etc. for Phil/Rambis are all fringe undrafted guys that hope they can find away to stay in the nba for a season or two?

You are perpetuating a lie that has grown to be a meme. Rambis as a coach, whether head coach or assistant coach, knows that system ball requires practice and commitment. Phil insists on it. So Rambis plays the part of enforcer when it comes to this stuff. Playing that role will make him unpopular with players who resist the sytem being advocated no matter how many sides it has.

This i01+5\s far different from being a lousy coach.

Your basic resolution is to keep fishing for players, even After 60+ players, 3 head coaches, your convince the system is not the problem.

Reports have already surface form several different prospect, in which they have stated that the knicks interview and work out process is like none of the other 29 team in the league. Why doesn't that ring alarms to any of you

I don't think Phil has been fishing for players. For the past few seasons he's attempted to do what is recognizably a reload (to complement Melo) while doing a bottom-up rebuild. He's in full rebuild mode now.

The players Phil brought in have often gotten richer contracts than have fit in with Phil's desire to have cap space for signings. What's to argue? The players the Knicks couldn't sign were coachable and effective and the highlight of the past few years. Gallo, Aldrich, and others all were glimmers of hope through Melo's dismal march into mediocrity.

Even in losing those players, Phil replaced them with players even better. And these players came from nowhere - the unsigned and under-appreciated.

YOU don't get that? This team is on the rise and will surprise. The doom and gloom of the Melo years are in the rear-view mirror.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Two years will go by and we would have wasted 5 years with the Triangle. Defenders will claim it was all worth it. And Phil will be pushing it as the best system ever from the range in Montana.

Can anyone tell me why the Lakers never gave Phil full control? I mean the owners daughter was his better half and he won all those championships. Was it his ego, stubbornness, inability to see the future of the NBA or his lack of experience? Dolan's hose job on fans with yet another starphuck name to deflect his inability to manage the franchise has so many fooled.

The more you talk the more clearly you prove a lack of perspective. The Triangle wasn't the problem. The PLAYERS were the problem. Lack of BUY IN. Lack of effort on defense. RESISTANT attitudes.

Now Phil can build with talent that has the right attitude, dedication to winning and playing as a team. So no this will not be a waste of time!

A couple of things. The triangle emphasizes mid range shots and Phil calls three pointers cheap points. That is a bit alarming. Also, Rambis has a horrible record as a head coach and struggles with having any kind of a rapport with players. He is great at getting guys to opt out if they have a player option but the better alternative would be to not give out bad contracts. Taking the legs out from the coach and going all rigid guy/antiquated offense with Phil/Rambis might have something to do with lack of buy in.
Have you ever wondered why guys with 'the right atttude' ... etc. for Phil/Rambis are all fringe undrafted guys that hope they can find away to stay in the nba for a season or two?

You are perpetuating a lie that has grown to be a meme. Rambis as a coach, whether head coach or assistant coach, knows that system ball requires practice and commitment. Phil insists on it. So Rambis plays the part of enforcer when it comes to this stuff. Playing that role will make him unpopular with players who resist the sytem being advocated no matter how many sides it has.

This i01+5\s far different from being a lousy coach.

Your basic resolution is to keep fishing for players, even After 60+ players, 3 head coaches, your convince the system is not the problem.

Reports have already surface form several different prospect, in which they have stated that the knicks interview and work out process is like none of the other 29 team in the league. Why doesn't that ring alarms to any of you

I don't think Phil has been fishing for players. For the past few seasons he's attempted to do what is recognizably a reload (to complement Melo) while doing a bottom-up rebuild. He's in full rebuild mode now.

The players Phil brought in have often gotten richer contracts than have fit in with Phil's desire to have cap space for signings. What's to argue? The players the Knicks couldn't sign were coachable and effective and the highlight of the past few years. Gallo, Aldrich, and others all were glimmers of hope through Melo's dismal march into mediocrity.

Even in losing those players, Phil replaced them with players even better. And these players came from nowhere - the unsigned and under-appreciated.

YOU don't get that? This team is on the rise and will surprise. The doom and gloom of the Melo years are in the rear-view mirror.

Who has Phil brought in that has gotten a richer contract? The only guy I can come up with is Galloway.

the veterans that phil brought into help

KOQ
calderone
dwill
Afflalo
noah
rose
lee
sasha
admunson

imagine the GSW swapping KD for anyone one of these players, and lets see if they beat the CAVS. even Harrison Barnes is better than any of these players

that's what I don't get, these are 6th, 7th, 8th in the rotation type players, and some wont even get minutes on a good team..and you talk about phil surrounded melo with talent..lol..what a joke.

He made mistakes on Calderon and Noah. He should have gotten more for Tyson then Calderon. And there was no reason to give Noah that "ridiculous" contract given his injury history. KOQ was a solid signing. Lee wasn't bad either and he is movable. Affalo and D.Will were apart of a weak FA market after were offered 2 yr deals with POs showing what the Knicks thought of them. But you would have to actually care for circumstance to acknowledge that which you haven't proven to be willing to do. Sasha and Admunson were end of the bench players like Pat Mcraw and Damion Jones on the Warriors.

The NBA FA market has become trash unless you are a contender under this era of the CBA. Phil has taken the wrong route by depending on FA signings rather than acquiring as much picks as possible. I thought he would be able to pull some big time FAs with that cap space and Melo but I will admit I was wrong in believing so.

At the same time the Bulls made the playoffs with 41 wins in the east. Rose & Melo are the main reason we didn't make playoffs this past season. If Rose averaged 7ast instead of 4. And Melo played like dad Melo then we make playoffs. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP is enough talent to have made playoffs in the east this yr. George, Teague, Turner, Young, Ellis who won 42 games is overall a similar talent level to Melo, Rose, KP, Lee, Jennings.

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Two years will go by and we would have wasted 5 years with the Triangle. Defenders will claim it was all worth it. And Phil will be pushing it as the best system ever from the range in Montana.

Can anyone tell me why the Lakers never gave Phil full control? I mean the owners daughter was his better half and he won all those championships. Was it his ego, stubbornness, inability to see the future of the NBA or his lack of experience? Dolan's hose job on fans with yet another starphuck name to deflect his inability to manage the franchise has so many fooled.

The more you talk the more clearly you prove a lack of perspective. The Triangle wasn't the problem. The PLAYERS were the problem. Lack of BUY IN. Lack of effort on defense. RESISTANT attitudes.

Now Phil can build with talent that has the right attitude, dedication to winning and playing as a team. So no this will not be a waste of time!

A couple of things. The triangle emphasizes mid range shots and Phil calls three pointers cheap points. That is a bit alarming. Also, Rambis has a horrible record as a head coach and struggles with having any kind of a rapport with players. He is great at getting guys to opt out if they have a player option but the better alternative would be to not give out bad contracts. Taking the legs out from the coach and going all rigid guy/antiquated offense with Phil/Rambis might have something to do with lack of buy in.
Have you ever wondered why guys with 'the right atttude' ... etc. for Phil/Rambis are all fringe undrafted guys that hope they can find away to stay in the nba for a season or two?

You are perpetuating a lie that has grown to be a meme. Rambis as a coach, whether head coach or assistant coach, knows that system ball requires practice and commitment. Phil insists on it. So Rambis plays the part of enforcer when it comes to this stuff. Playing that role will make him unpopular with players who resist the sytem being advocated no matter how many sides it has.

This i01+5\s far different from being a lousy coach.

Your basic resolution is to keep fishing for players, even After 60+ players, 3 head coaches, your convince the system is not the problem.

Reports have already surface form several different prospect, in which they have stated that the knicks interview and work out process is like none of the other 29 team in the league. Why doesn't that ring alarms to any of you

I don't think Phil has been fishing for players. For the past few seasons he's attempted to do what is recognizably a reload (to complement Melo) while doing a bottom-up rebuild. He's in full rebuild mode now.

The players Phil brought in have often gotten richer contracts than have fit in with Phil's desire to have cap space for signings. What's to argue? The players the Knicks couldn't sign were coachable and effective and the highlight of the past few years. Gallo, Aldrich, and others all were glimmers of hope through Melo's dismal march into mediocrity.

Even in losing those players, Phil replaced them with players even better. And these players came from nowhere - the unsigned and under-appreciated.

YOU don't get that? This team is on the rise and will surprise. The doom and gloom of the Melo years are in the rear-view mirror.

Who has Phil brought in that has gotten a richer contract? The only guy I can come up with is Galloway.

the veterans that phil brought into help

KOQ
calderone
dwill
Afflalo
noah
rose
lee
sasha
admunson

imagine the GSW swapping KD for anyone one of these players, and lets see if they beat the CAVS. even Harrison Barnes is better than any of these players

that's what I don't get, these are 6th, 7th, 8th in the rotation type players, and some wont even get minutes on a good team..and you talk about phil surrounded melo with talent..lol..what a joke.

He made mistakes on Calderon and Noah. He should have gotten more for Tyson then Calderon. And there was no reason to give Noah that "ridiculous" contract given his injury history. KOQ was a solid signing. Lee wasn't bad either and he is movable. Affalo and D.Will were apart of a weak FA market after were offered 2 yr deals with POs showing what the Knicks thought of them. But you would have to actually care for circumstance to acknowledge that which you haven't proven to be willing to do. Sasha and Admunson were end of the bench players like Pat Mcraw and Damion Jones on the Warriors.

The NBA FA market has become trash unless you are a contender under this era of the CBA. Phil has taken the wrong route by depending on FA signings rather than acquiring as much picks as possible. I thought he would be able to pull some big time FAs with that cap space and Melo but I will admit I was wrong in believing so.

At the same time the Bulls made the playoffs with 41 wins in the east. Rose & Melo are the main reason we didn't make playoffs this past season. If Rose averaged 7ast instead of 4. And Melo played like dad Melo then we make playoffs. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP is enough talent to have made playoffs in the east this yr. George, Teague, Turner, Young, Ellis who won 42 games is overall a similar talent level to Melo, Rose, KP, Lee, Jennings.

Really, what about the fact that no one around melo and rose shot above 42% from the field (tough to get assist that way) ,thats well below the league avg, or noah and lance (2 major role players), played half a season, and remember when KP and willy let lopez drain 7 treys in that nets game that FLAT LINE our playoff hopes.

Remember when AMARE was suppose to be the problem, funny how we got rid of him and we have gotten worse since..

You avoided the talent comparison between the Pacers because you know it to be true. The talent was comparable. They weren't 11 games better then us talent wise. Their top players got it done, ours didn't. This 42% from field stat you just threw out isn't accurate either.

Lee shots more efficiently than Melo if you want to just talk about % from the field. So did KP. Willy and KOQ shot 52 fg%. Holiday, Jennings, Lance shot 35%, 34%, 44% from 3. Between Lee, Holiday, Jennings, Lance, Kuz, KP. They averaged 36% from 3. So not even counting Melo's ability to get buckets there were plenty of opportunities for Rose to get 7ast based off of 36% from 3 among 5players(6 including Melo) and the 52fg% from Willy and KOQ. If you want to talk about % from the field.

Amare clearly unfortunately had major injury problems was on the decline and is not in the league anymore.