martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:He is a project at best. I doubt he's in the NBA 5 years from now.

Why?

doesn't know how to avoid traps on offense, dismal shooting percentages and only interested in playing defense. not a 2 way player for sure. the bright lights of nyc are not for him...i can see him sticking around under the tutelage of spurs coaches or a small city like OKC. but if he's traded to big cities...i dont think he has the nerves to stick around.

how do you even substantiate that? or did you just make it up?

Baker was drafted for his 3 pt shooting ability, so there is something to build on.

Cartman718 wrote:

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:He is a project at best. I doubt he's in the NBA 5 years from now.

Why?

doesn't know how to avoid traps on offense, dismal shooting percentages and only interested in playing defense. not a 2 way player for sure. the bright lights of nyc are not for him...i can see him sticking around under the tutelage of spurs coaches or a small city like OKC. but if he's traded to big cities...i dont think he has the nerves to stick around.

how do you even substantiate that? or did you just make it up?

how do you substantiate nerves...its not a stat. you go based off in-game observations as a spectator.
you must agree that it takes a certain type of person to be able to play well for the Knicks...i will flip the question over to you...what makes you think that Ron is that type of guy?

little bit difficult to have a back and forth when you just 100% just made something up.

GustavBahler wrote:The next step has to be a willingness to shoot more. Baker was one of the best distributors on the team last season, as a rookie. But he wont be here long if he joins the club of former Knick PGs who almost never shoot the ball.

Baker was drafted for his 3 pt shooting ability, so there is something to build on.

If rose or JRU is signed, and we draft a pg in the top 10, with lee and Justin minding the 2g, baker is toast

fitzfarm wrote:If we can get another pick in the first and we draft Isaac at 8 and Mitchell @15

Look at our starting 5 on defense

Mitchell
Baker
Isaac
Willy
KP

Look baker is a lock down defender Mitchell is a lockdown defender Willy is the weakest link but still can protect the paint or guard the 4

KP and Isaac are shot blocking machines

Also a great start to a rebuild

Isaac and Mitchell are my Dream Draft. I'm trying not to think about it too much considering how things tend to go for us.

fitzfarm wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:If we can get another pick in the first and we draft Isaac at 8 and Mitchell @15

Look at our starting 5 on defense

Mitchell
Baker
Isaac
Willy
KP

Look baker is a lock down defender Mitchell is a lockdown defender Willy is the weakest link but still can protect the paint or guard the 4

KP and Isaac are shot blocking machines

Also a great start to a rebuild

Isaac and Mitchell are my Dream Draft. I'm trying not to think about it too much considering how things tend to go for us.

True it's like we are the ny jets of basketball nothing goes our way.

The fact that we've never moved up in the draft but only back or stayed out is crazy. We just can't have nice things

4.1 pts, 1.1 rebounds, .8 assists

These are the rookie stats for two undrafted free agents, both from small midwestern towns who also shared a knack for defense, hustle and toughness in their limited opportunities.

The first stat line belongs to Ron baker and the second belongs to John Starks, who incidentally made a pretty big jump in his second year ( with his new team , the new york knicks) and just kept going.

Not to set the bar unreasonably high for Ron, but he's shown more than enough to warrant optimism.

The knicks front office has made some bad calls but they got this guy to camp ( called him right after the draft) and I think they know what they've got in Burgundy, see progress, and they will not let him walk this summer.

rpknicks wrote:4.1 pts, 2.1 rebounds, 1.7 assists

4.1 pts, 1.1 rebounds, .8 assists

These are the rookie stats for two undrafted free agents, both from small midwestern towns who also shared a knack for defense, hustle and toughness in their limited opportunities.

The first stat line belongs to Ron baker and the second belongs to John Starks, who incidentally made a pretty big jump in his second year ( with his new team , the new york knicks) and just kept going.

Not to set the bar unreasonably high for Ron, but he's shown more than enough to warrant optimism.

The knicks front office has made some bad calls but they got this guy to camp ( called him right after the draft) and I think they know what they've got in Burgundy, see progress, and they will not let him walk this summer.

Bonn1997 wrote:

rpknicks wrote:4.1 pts, 2.1 rebounds, 1.7 assists

4.1 pts, 1.1 rebounds, .8 assists

These are the rookie stats for two undrafted free agents, both from small midwestern towns who also shared a knack for defense, hustle and toughness in their limited opportunities.

The first stat line belongs to Ron baker and the second belongs to John Starks, who incidentally made a pretty big jump in his second year ( with his new team , the new york knicks) and just kept going.

Not to set the bar unreasonably high for Ron, but he's shown more than enough to warrant optimism.

The knicks front office has made some bad calls but they got this guy to camp ( called him right after the draft) and I think they know what they've got in Burgundy, see progress, and they will not let him walk this summer.

3.9 pts, 0.9 rbs, 2.2 Asts. That line belongs to Frank Williams' first full NBA season. He only played 9 more NBA games after that! We could do this forever. Most of the 4 PPG players who couldn't shoot the ball probably didn't last long in the NBA.

I can't believe he is even is discussion as a starter

I keep saying the bar for some knick fans have drop so low, that they think we have a better chance of success with baker than melo.

by January their praying for loses because were 9 games below 500, just to get a higher draft pick, and that's the culture we now have.

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

rpknicks wrote:4.1 pts, 2.1 rebounds, 1.7 assists

4.1 pts, 1.1 rebounds, .8 assists

These are the rookie stats for two undrafted free agents, both from small midwestern towns who also shared a knack for defense, hustle and toughness in their limited opportunities.

The first stat line belongs to Ron baker and the second belongs to John Starks, who incidentally made a pretty big jump in his second year ( with his new team , the new york knicks) and just kept going.

Not to set the bar unreasonably high for Ron, but he's shown more than enough to warrant optimism.

The knicks front office has made some bad calls but they got this guy to camp ( called him right after the draft) and I think they know what they've got in Burgundy, see progress, and they will not let him walk this summer.

3.9 pts, 0.9 rbs, 2.2 Asts. That line belongs to Frank Williams' first full NBA season. He only played 9 more NBA games after that! We could do this forever. Most of the 4 PPG players who couldn't shoot the ball probably didn't last long in the NBA.

I can't believe he is even is discussion as a starter

I keep saying the bar for some knick fans have drop so low, that they think we have a better chance of success with baker than melo.

by January their praying for loses because were 9 games below 500, just to get a higher draft pick, and that's the culture we now have.

No one has said that. Stop making stuff up.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

rpknicks wrote:4.1 pts, 2.1 rebounds, 1.7 assists

4.1 pts, 1.1 rebounds, .8 assists

These are the rookie stats for two undrafted free agents, both from small midwestern towns who also shared a knack for defense, hustle and toughness in their limited opportunities.

The first stat line belongs to Ron baker and the second belongs to John Starks, who incidentally made a pretty big jump in his second year ( with his new team , the new york knicks) and just kept going.

Not to set the bar unreasonably high for Ron, but he's shown more than enough to warrant optimism.

The knicks front office has made some bad calls but they got this guy to camp ( called him right after the draft) and I think they know what they've got in Burgundy, see progress, and they will not let him walk this summer.

3.9 pts, 0.9 rbs, 2.2 Asts. That line belongs to Frank Williams' first full NBA season. He only played 9 more NBA games after that! We could do this forever. Most of the 4 PPG players who couldn't shoot the ball probably didn't last long in the NBA.

I can't believe he is even is discussion as a starter

I keep saying the bar for some knick fans have drop so low, that they think we have a better chance of success with baker than melo.

by January their praying for loses because were 9 games below 500, just to get a higher draft pick, and that's the culture we now have.

at least baker busts his ass out there more than the "veteran" players you crave

I don't crave anything but a winning balance roster, I'm not into young, old, fast or slow. I just see what works, and most you guy do too, and baker is not the answer by any stretch of the imagination.

Love the guys heart and defense, but when have you ever seen a lazy undrafted player, those types have to work 10x harder than any player on the court because of their limited skills.