StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The question im starting to wonder is if melo doesn't waive his NTC, will phil said fck it and do a MDA.

dont get your hopes up for that. Different situation since MDA was only a coach. Melo would look foolish if he just stayed here out of spite

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The question im starting to wonder is if melo doesn't waive his NTC, will phil said fck it and do a MDA.

dont get your hopes up for that. Different situation since MDA was only a coach. Melo would look foolish if he just stayed here out of spite

Dantoni was done as soon as Grunwald amnestied Billups, signed Tyson and brought Woodson in. But he also was a lame duck, had 6 weeks left on his deal and got paid all of his money. Phil just reupped. But I also don't think Melo leaves just to leave. He wants to go to a winning situation and the deal Phil gave him makes that almost impossible. I think Phil resigning or Melo getting waived are about even odds.

Phil wanted Melo to give a substantial Home Town discount but Melo only came down a little. Clearly Melo and his agent wanted the money, NTC and Kicker. You can't absolve Melo of any responsibility in the Contract he negotiated for.

Phil ain't leaving when his legacy is on the line!!!

newyorknewyork wrote:Is to Miami for Winslow and #14(I think they have to add in McRoberts). I am guessing that they have been able to free themselves from Bosh contract opening up the money to take him on.

Melo doesn't take a hit with his brand.
Riley is one of the best execs in the game to attempt to win the chip with.
Dragic, Whiteside are both perfect pieces next to Melo. Waiters, Johnson, Richardson aren't bad either.

Knicks would obtain close to 45 mil in cap space.
Would also obtain 25+mil trade exception creating around 65+mil to work with cap wise.
Adding 14 pick in this draft would be great.

OMG!! That would make new so happy, I may even forgive Riley.

newyorknewyork wrote:

doomed wrote:Keep dreaming. Knicks aren't getting that much for melo. Might not even get half of that.

#1 I didnt come up with it. Thought it was a great idea though. #2 I dont even see this as a lot in return. Winslow has been horrible his first year and 18 games he has played in the NBA and probably couldn't net higher then the 22 pick in this draft at the moment. And its the #14 pick not #4. The question is more if Riley wants to take on Melos contract with 2 years left. And if he believes he can build a contender around Whiteside Melo Dragic. With up and comers Johnson and Richardson.

Sinix wrote:If I'm Miami I wouldn't trade Melo for 12 or Winslow alone let alone together.

It's a sneaky Pat Riley move... just flash mob reload and shoot your shot. Melo, Dragic, Whiteside, Dion Waiters... a couple more moves and you have a playoff team. Crazy... Miami has alot of money tied up so it makes more sense for them to go for it the next 2 years.

Ellington, Mc Roberts, Winslow and the #12 for Melo... that gets it done for me. You peg these guys into the current roster and all of a sudden we have a crew of professionals with experience to mix in with the young players. Im totally cool with this.

On Miami's end, they have Melo and Dragic with Waiters, Tyler Johnson and Whiteside... you figure they resign James Johnson... Riley is good at finding players to fill out the roster. It's a good look for them for 2 years.

EnySpree wrote:I'm looking at the rosters now... Phil says he wants more guys like Lee.... well a mix of Winslow, Tyler Johnson, Wayne Ellington. MC Roberts and the #12 would be nice... I'd say 3 of those guys and a pick could get that done for us. Maybe they want to keep Tyler Johnson cuz he's their guy and he's young....

Ellington, Nc Roberts, Winslow and the #12 for Melo... that gets it done for me. You peg this guys into the current roster and all of a sudden we have a crew of professionals with experience to mix in with the young players. Im totally cool with this.

On Miami's end, they have Melo and Dragic with Waiters, Tyler Johnson and Whiteside... you figure they resign James Johnson... Riley is good at finding players to fill out the roster. It's a good look for them for 2 years.

Winslow and the #12 is a fair price for Melo. Just round it out with role players not named Willy and I think Padre riles will be happy

newyorknewyork wrote:Is to Miami for Winslow and #14(I think they have to add in McRoberts). I am guessing that they have been able to free themselves from Bosh contract opening up the money to take him on.

Melo doesn't take a hit with his brand.
Riley is one of the best execs in the game to attempt to win the chip with.
Dragic, Whiteside are both perfect pieces next to Melo. Waiters, Johnson, Richardson aren't bad either.

Knicks would obtain close to 45 mil in cap space.
Would also obtain 25+mil trade exception creating around 65+mil to work with cap wise.
Adding 14 pick in this draft would be great.

This is my wish trade and I have been posting it for months. Its a good trade. Miami gets something in return for Bosh vs. nothing. Miami had the best record in the second half of the season. That says a lot. This is a good two year window for Miami and they will contend. Perhaps not true champion but would be top 4 in the east. They lose nothing from last years team. I'd say we have to send them a second round pick. Dragic, Melo and Whiteside is a very good core.

A 14 and 8 combined could get us to move up in the draft to grab a player that gaines might covet as being worthy.

What some of you might be missing is Melo brings star power to the ticket counter and Riley DOES care about money. He is a part owner and looks out for Mickey Aronson.

I'd do this trade straight up for Winslow and bosh's contract. Anything on top of that is gravy.

O'quinn can be moved for a low first round pick and that can be used so miami has something in the first round. Many facets to this CONCEPT (not a predication)to ponder. Its low probability.

KNicks1248, just cuz its not written don't mean someone can't put together a conceptual trade. Your good at being the guy that says no to everything as if your mr. insider. Fans just like to play around with stuff and have fun. Miami could be ok for Melo's brand. It puts him in a position to be in playoffs and maybe make a run to conf. finals. At the same time, if he goes to Clev and somehow they faulter, he will look bad. Real bad. Imagine if Durant for what ever reason failed to get GSW to finals?

La La Cosmetics people are all down in Miami, they wear a lot of hats in Miami. His Latin America vibe would work in Miami, and the taxes are great. Riley could sell him a good concept.

We have no idea if Riley even entertains this. The first thing is Bosh is on the books and they get nothing in return. So this makes Melo attractive in some sense.

Could Riley get cp3 in in trade using Dragic as core?

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Is to Miami for Winslow and #14(I think they have to add in McRoberts). I am guessing that they have been able to free themselves from Bosh contract opening up the money to take him on.

Melo doesn't take a hit with his brand.
Riley is one of the best execs in the game to attempt to win the chip with.
Dragic, Whiteside are both perfect pieces next to Melo. Waiters, Johnson, Richardson aren't bad either.

Knicks would obtain close to 45 mil in cap space.
Would also obtain 25+mil trade exception creating around 65+mil to work with cap wise.
Adding 14 pick in this draft would be great.

This is my wish trade and I have been posting it for months. Its a good trade. Miami gets something in return for Bosh vs. nothing. Miami had the best record in the second half of the season. That says a lot. This is a good two year window for Miami and they will contend. Perhaps not true champion but would be top 4 in the east. They lose nothing from last years team. I'd say we have to send them a second round pick. Dragic, Melo and Whiteside is a very good core.

A 14 and 8 combined could get us to move up in the draft to grab a player that gaines might covet as being worthy.

What some of you might be missing is Melo brings star power to the ticket counter and Riley DOES care about money. He is a part owner and looks out for Mickey Aronson.

I'd do this trade straight up for Winslow and bosh's contract. Anything on top of that is gravy.

O'quinn can be moved for a low first round pick and that can be used so miami has something in the first round. Many facets to this CONCEPT (not a predication)to ponder. Its low probability.

KNicks1248, just cuz its not written don't mean someone can't put together a conceptual trade. Your good at being the guy that says no to everything as if your mr. insider. Fans just like to play around with stuff and have fun. Miami could be ok for Melo's brand. It puts him in a position to be in playoffs and maybe make a run to conf. finals. At the same time, if he goes to Clev and somehow they faulter, he will look bad. Real bad. Imagine if Durant for what ever reason failed to get GSW to finals?

La La Cosmetics people are all down in Miami, they wear a lot of hats in Miami. His Latin America vibe would work in Miami, and the taxes are great. Riley could sell him a good concept.

We have no idea if Riley even entertains this. The first thing is Bosh is on the books and they get nothing in return. So this makes Melo attractive in some sense.

Could Riley get cp3 in in trade using Dragic as core?

These trades are so far fetch, it's as if you guys forget there's a NTC, and a 30+ million trade kicker. I read on ESPN the options (if melo waives his trade kicker) and it was so silly. It's like oh yeah, melo will short his self $$, on top of being forced out of NY by PHIL JACKSON, to go play for a non contender.

The guy keeps saying I want to win, and some you think he wants a change of scenery. I don't want to look fwd to 55 losses next season, so any trade needs to make us better now and in the future, and I just don't see a trade yet that will make phil and melo happy, at least not this off season.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Is to Miami for Winslow and #14(I think they have to add in McRoberts). I am guessing that they have been able to free themselves from Bosh contract opening up the money to take him on.

Melo doesn't take a hit with his brand.
Riley is one of the best execs in the game to attempt to win the chip with.
Dragic, Whiteside are both perfect pieces next to Melo. Waiters, Johnson, Richardson aren't bad either.

Knicks would obtain close to 45 mil in cap space.
Would also obtain 25+mil trade exception creating around 65+mil to work with cap wise.
Adding 14 pick in this draft would be great.

This is my wish trade and I have been posting it for months. Its a good trade. Miami gets something in return for Bosh vs. nothing. Miami had the best record in the second half of the season. That says a lot. This is a good two year window for Miami and they will contend. Perhaps not true champion but would be top 4 in the east. They lose nothing from last years team. I'd say we have to send them a second round pick. Dragic, Melo and Whiteside is a very good core.

A 14 and 8 combined could get us to move up in the draft to grab a player that gaines might covet as being worthy.

What some of you might be missing is Melo brings star power to the ticket counter and Riley DOES care about money. He is a part owner and looks out for Mickey Aronson.

I'd do this trade straight up for Winslow and bosh's contract. Anything on top of that is gravy.

O'quinn can be moved for a low first round pick and that can be used so miami has something in the first round. Many facets to this CONCEPT (not a predication)to ponder. Its low probability.

KNicks1248, just cuz its not written don't mean someone can't put together a conceptual trade. Your good at being the guy that says no to everything as if your mr. insider. Fans just like to play around with stuff and have fun. Miami could be ok for Melo's brand. It puts him in a position to be in playoffs and maybe make a run to conf. finals. At the same time, if he goes to Clev and somehow they faulter, he will look bad. Real bad. Imagine if Durant for what ever reason failed to get GSW to finals?

La La Cosmetics people are all down in Miami, they wear a lot of hats in Miami. His Latin America vibe would work in Miami, and the taxes are great. Riley could sell him a good concept.

We have no idea if Riley even entertains this. The first thing is Bosh is on the books and they get nothing in return. So this makes Melo attractive in some sense.

Could Riley get cp3 in in trade using Dragic as core?

These trades are so far fetch, it's as if you guys forget there's a NTC, and a 30+ million trade kicker. I read on ESPN the options (if melo waives his trade kicker) and it was so silly. It's like oh yeah, melo will short his self $$, on top of being forced out of NY by PHIL JACKSON, to go play for a non contender.

The guy keeps saying I want to win, and some you think he wants a change of scenery. I don't want to look fwd to 55 losses next season, so any trade needs to make us better now and in the future, and I just don't see a trade yet that will make phil and melo happy, at least not this off season.

Kicker is $8,000,000. He can waive it. Why would he? Taxes in Florida are less than California.
We just talking financial.
Miami really came together in second half of season. They could improve with Melo.
Far fetched? Perhaps.
Ignorant? Only when you don't get the facts.