Vmart wrote:When players want to leave a situation they act and do just as KP is doing. The writing is on the wall he wants out.

I dunno about that but KPs camp clearly have a game plan. They are trying to put pressure on management tho improve the team or he walks. My thing is concentrate on improving yourself and how you can improve the team. As a 2nd year player that hasn't been perfect that's what I want to hear. I don't want to hear dry threats towards management. It could be a problem going forward. If this is who KP is and how he wants to represent himself then trading him wouldn't be a bad thing it would be a necessary thing. Kp could get the Knicks a pretty packedge... so he better focus on his game and less with threatening management in only his 2nd year. He's our player. This is not his team. Humble yourself

You boast how mature KP seem from his very first Interview, which hasn't change. You guys just fail to come to grips with how really fck up this Phil ERA is turning into right before your eyes. You keep thinking it's going get better, it's going to get better, when the fact of the matter is, it's getting worse and more dysfunction every yr despite the change in roster and HC. this kid grew up in a well run professional atmosphere, his parents and brothers, all professional athletes at some point, all bout winning

You look at certain players like MELO, who is more MENTOR to KP then Sasha ever was, and is more liked/respected among his teammates than every player in the locker room, and you take sht like that for granted.. Things like flying and paying for all your teammate to come down to PR, working and playing with them in the offseason, bonding..Who the fck else is doing that on the team.

you think he, and all the players stating the daily confusion they walk into everyday, the different game plan/system on how they want to play is not a direct result of not being able to win 2 fckng games in a row.

EnySpree wrote:

Vmart wrote:When players want to leave a situation they act and do just as KP is doing. The writing is on the wall he wants out.

I dunno about that but KPs camp clearly have a game plan. They are trying to put pressure on management tho improve the team or he walks. My thing is concentrate on improving yourself and how you can improve the team. As a 2nd year player that hasn't been perfect that's what I want to hear. I don't want to hear dry threats towards management. It could be a problem going forward. If this is who KP is and how he wants to represent himself then trading him wouldn't be a bad thing it would be a necessary thing. Kp could get the Knicks a pretty packedge... so he better focus on his game and less with threatening management in only his 2nd year. He's our player. This is not his team. Humble yourself

right because a player should never complain about the coaching or management, the fckng nerve of them

Nalod wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Nalod wrote:

nixluva wrote:From my point of view Phil is already FIXING IT! This wasn't about the entire team. Certain players had issues but the majority seem to have tried to comply with Jeff and Phil's instructions. I can't ignore the much better body language with Jeff and the players once BJ was gone and Rose went down. Baker n Randle stepped in and BOUGHT IN. they made mistakes but they did execute the game plan much better.

I think having a team full of players that aren't resisting but are enthusiastic and giving max effort will make a huge impact. KP will fall in line along with everyone else. This should calm down.

Nix, I dig your positive spin and love, but This was less than a month ago that KP exhibited his defiance and its not that anyone has been negligent at all, its just not enough time.
Jenning and Rose fallen all happend before the season ended.

The fact is, we have no idea what KP's beef is. He might be pulling a diva act, or Phil is out of his mind and the team is a mess. KP did this before the Press conferance so we can't blame that.
KP was kept out of games and all the while was a big vocal about wanting to play.
Don't tell me what you feel, tell me what you know.

I'm stating what I've been able to see and can't speak on some mystery issue that seems to only have impact on KP. KP's last 3 games before tweaking his back were very strong and the team was still playing hard and responding to Jeff's coaching! The main incidents happened back in November when the team was 5-7 that's when the players called a meeting that Phil dropped in on!

According to Al Iannazzone of Newsday, Anthony feels good about the tone of the conversation and the potential implications of it.

“I thought the players did a great job of just kind of voicing their opinion on kind of where we want to be, what type of team we want to be, where we want to go and things that we want to see change,” Anthony said after leading the Knicks with 31 points.

“The conversation was a long conversation. I don’t want to go into details about what we spoke about, but my guys responded very well to what was said in that meeting. As you can see, it was a different focus, it was a different mindset, it was a different energy that we approached the game with.”

Asked if team president Phil Jackson intervened in any way, Anthony happily stated that The Zen Master remained silent and gave the players the floor.

“Nah, he actually just listened this time,” Anthony said, “which is good.”

The lines of communication seem to be open, which can only help the Knicks develop team chemistry.

“There comes a point and time throughout the season where you have to re-evaluate things and step out of the situation, look into the situation, see what you can do better, look in the mirror at each other, at yourself, and see the things you can improve,” Anthony said. “We did that yesterday and today.

“I don’t want to say we won today because of the meeting, but you clear the air like that and guys speak out and talk and they don’t have to hold it in. They don’t feel pressured in the open forum. Guys spoke and everybody responded.”

Kristaps Porzingis said of Saturday’s sit-down, “We talked a lot about what we want to do, how we want to be better. We had a good meeting. We talked a lot of stuff through. We came out today playing the way we need to be playing.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-beat-hawks-for-fourth-straight-win-at-home-1.12645537

The end result was a blown off meeting and his brother now sounding a warning shot.

So basically your pointing to an in season event, but the finality is a posture that is not consistent with a scenario you posted.
From what I can gather:

1. KP likes NYC.
2. KP not happy with Knicks.

Anything else is pure guessing.

The Player Meeting was back in Nov. 18th and the next issue was the Articles that came out around Dec. 7th when Phil commented on Melo. The Media basically instigated by pulling one aspect of what Phil said to make it seem more sinister than it actually was.

“Carmelo a lot of times wants to hold the ball longer than — we have a rule: If you hold a pass two seconds, you benefit the defense. So he has a little bit of a tendency to hold it for three, four, five seconds, and then everybody comes to a stop,” Jackson said in an interview with CBS Sports Network that aired Tuesday. “That is one of the things we work with. But he’s adjusted to [the triangle], he knows what he can do and he’s willing to see its success.”

Jackson’s comments were prompted by a question about whether Anthony can fit in the triangle offense. Jackson made it clear he believes Anthony can.

“He can play that role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played,” Jackson said. “It’s a perfect spot for him to be in that isolated position on the weak side, because it’s an overload offense and there’s a weakside man that always has an advantage if the ball is swung.”

"Carmelo's genuinely a solid person, a citizen, I think," Jackson said. "He has good intentions. I think some of the things that come along with him, I always say I can go back to [Syracuse coach Jim] Boeheim and say that was the zone that he played in college. But that's just a joke I have with him. The aspect of learning in the NBA and developing habits become entrenched, and sometimes you have to break those habits to change your manner of playing, and I think that's one of the things he's had to do with this new group of guys. It's a little bit different. He doesn't have sole possession of the offense. There are other people that are involved in the offense, and he embraces that. But then you still have habits you have to break, and I think that's one of the things.

Defensively, we've talked to him a lot about movement and that aspect of -- we're now into high-performance things, where we have cameras that can legislate or watch movement on the court all the time -- each have, you can go back and check that. We're trying to get him to get more active as a defensive player. That's one of the things that I think is noticeable, that he has changed. And we're liking that."

We've heard this stuff before from Jackson, and that's precisely why it's interesting. In an HBO interview all the way back in 2012, Jackson said that Anthony "has to be a better passer" and "the ball can't stop every time it hits his hands." After becoming the president of the Knicks in March 2014 and re-signing Anthony that summer, Jackson again said "the ball has to continually move" when discussing how Anthony can get better.

Then you have the Phil pushing for more Triangle that came at the end of Feb. The team was 24-36 at this point!

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https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/836652640742289409

ORLANDO, Fla. — Jeff Hornacek acknowledged Knicks president Phil Jackson has influenced him into using more triangle offense — especially to enhance the team’s defense.

And Jackson has a supporter in Kristaps Porzingis, who thinks the club should’ve used the triangle a lot more at the beginning of the season instead of Hornacek’s combo attack.

“[Phil and I] talk about it a lot,’’ Hornacek said. “The different things in the triangle you can do, calling it in out-of-timeout plays, some of the things Phil had said, some plays he used. We’re talking all the time. That came up in one of the discussions. It does give you better balance. We had guys getting stuck in the corner. That was part of [the decision].’’

Jackson’s theory on the triangle as a defensive helper is it establishes better floor balance with a two-man front and makes it easier to get back in transition. The Knicks’ transition defense has been poor all season, especially after Derrick Rose fails to convert on a drive.

A source said when the Knicks’ young players come in early to work out, Jackson gets on the court with them to show them triangle nuances.

There’s been an even greater focus on the triangle coming out of the break. However, according to Hornacek, the usage rate is “still not close to 50 percent of the time.’’

Porzingis, who made it back from a sprained ankle Wednesday after missing the previous two games, said he’s all for it.

“We should’ve been playing it from the beginning of the season,’’ Porzingis said. “We’re a little behind. I don’t know when we can finally start using it properly and making an impact.

“The whole first season we played nothing but the triangle. I know it pretty well. I like the offense. It can only work if everyone believes in it and everyone executes it the right way. We’re starting to learn it the way we should.’’

mlby1215 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:Everytime I mention how much I like the triangle, the squares get upset.

actually it is very funny.

Actually, the response to posters who don't believe the Triangle is the be all, end all, solution to the team's problems is even funnier.

Funnier because the Triangle likely has the worst track record of any system used in Knicks franchise history- 70 years. Hilarious.

GustavBahler wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:Everytime I mention how much I like the triangle, the squares get upset.

actually it is very funny.

Actually, the response to posters who don't believe the Triangle is the be all, end all, solution to the team's problems is even funnier.

Funnier because the Triangle likely has the worst track record of any system used in Knicks franchise history- 70 years. Hilarious.

Don't you have anything else to complain about?

EnySpree wrote:

Vmart wrote:When players want to leave a situation they act and do just as KP is doing. The writing is on the wall he wants out.

I dunno about that but KPs camp clearly have a game plan. They are trying to put pressure on management tho improve the team or he walks. My thing is concentrate on improving yourself and how you can improve the team. As a 2nd year player that hasn't been perfect that's what I want to hear. I don't want to hear dry threats towards management. It could be a problem going forward. If this is who KP is and how he wants to represent himself then trading him wouldn't be a bad thing it would be a necessary thing. Kp could get the Knicks a pretty packedge... so he better focus on his game and less with threatening management in only his 2nd year. He's our player. This is not his team. Humble yourself

His camp is blowing smoke up the fan's arses. He's under contract for a few years more. Assuming he's still worth his salt then he can walk, crawl, or fly to Europe if he likes and leave barrels of money at MSG.

His threats (if in fact he's making them) are empty. As are calls to make the Knicks better. What do these idiots think management is trying to do?

I like the Triangle.

"We want you to build a competitive environment!"

Mills dutifully writes it down.

"We want to win!"

Mills writes it down.

"And when we lose, management shouldn't say anything publicly that might hurt our feelings!"

Mills writes it down.

The next day the Post reports that Mills used a notepad instead of a fancy digital tablet to write things down with and this upset the players immensely. So much so that they were working on another set of demands that will be delivered by a players brother's brother-in-law exclusively to Isola.

ESPN all-woman basketball analyst team reports exclusively that Mills wiped his arse with the the notes thereby upsetting their undergarment sponsors who will boycott MSG.

Shouting sports commentators all lose their voices complaining about the chaos being caused by player dissension and are suing MSG because they are forced to shout about this news.

A Knicks fan from Long Island who has hated the team for decades goes on a Podcast and rants that its all Phil and Dolan's fault and that the end days are upon us without the Knicks winning a ring in the three years Phil has been here.

The players union files a grievance that players shouldn't be held responsible for playing the game after signing their contracts - they have other business to attend to.

fwk00 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Vmart wrote:When players want to leave a situation they act and do just as KP is doing. The writing is on the wall he wants out.

I dunno about that but KPs camp clearly have a game plan. They are trying to put pressure on management tho improve the team or he walks. My thing is concentrate on improving yourself and how you can improve the team. As a 2nd year player that hasn't been perfect that's what I want to hear. I don't want to hear dry threats towards management. It could be a problem going forward. If this is who KP is and how he wants to represent himself then trading him wouldn't be a bad thing it would be a necessary thing. Kp could get the Knicks a pretty packedge... so he better focus on his game and less with threatening management in only his 2nd year. He's our player. This is not his team. Humble yourself

His camp is blowing smoke up the fan's arses. He's under contract for a few years more. Assuming he's still worth his salt then he can walk, crawl, or fly to Europe if he likes and leave barrels of money at MSG.

His threats (if in fact he's making them) are empty. As are calls to make the Knicks better. What do these idiots think management is trying to do?

I like the Triangle.

Aside from the break from protocol and disrespect of KP skipping the Meeting most of this is HOT AIR! Knicks are operating like this isn't a big deal. Sending Longstaff over to Latvia. This is not a situation where the Knicks are in panic mode. KP doesn't control things yet and they know it.

ESOMKnicks wrote:I am yet to see a single piece of even the flimsiest evidence that Janis is giving KP bad advice. Yet it is being discussed here as if it were an established fact.

My two hypotheses: either (i) KP simply acted out immaturely, or (ii) he decided to skip the exit meeting, so that the Knicks wouldn't get a chance to ask KP not to play for Latvia, or do something else that KP may not be comfortable with doing in what is a pretty tense situation with the club, Phil, Melo, etc. MSG is a very toxic, political and treacherous environment after all.

You don't see even the flimsiest evidence that Janis is giving KP bad advice?? The guy is basically KP's voice and speaks for him all the time as he did in this article and as he did when KP was asked a question about signing the new contract with the Knicks, before KP could even think about answering the question that was asked ti him Janis basically put his hand over hid mouth and told the reporter that's not question that needs to be answered. Janis is the older brother who's acting just like an older brother would act and i'm pretty sure he had a big voice in KP skipping that meeting.

newyorknewyork wrote:So if traded KP would test free agency. That would be another teams problem. KPs brother didnt didnt say he was looking toward FA regardless but said if traded. If he said he was looking to test FA when his contract is up and still regardless if with the Knicks or,not,or insinuated something along those lines then that would trigger the alarms. But by saying he lives NY amd if traded to,another team not the Knicks he would test FA. Is basically telling teams don't trade for him.

Why would he tell teams not to trade for him if he wanted to get out of dodge.

Good point. It's just more branding. More posturing and more pressure on management. I'm not worried about it because I think we are on a good path, but I don't want this type of banter to become bigger than the team. Thats not what we want to build here. We are building to win for the Knicks and the fans, not to make a player happy or keep a player from leaving.