knicks1248 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Minimally Silver needs to fine Jackson and the Knicks.

For what?

No NBA team official, coach, player or anyone acting on official behalf of an NBA team can say or do anything that openly signals they are interested in the services of a player who is under contract to another NBA team.

Jackson is NOT declaring interest in any other player on any other roster under contract in the NBA. He's saying he wants to and tried to trade Carmelo Anthony. Which is pretty standard in all of pro sports. Tony Romo was/is under contract with the Dallas Cowboys. They've moved to Dak Prescott at their franchise QB. They haven't made it a secret in any public interviews that they'd be happy to trade Romo to a team that's a good fit for both the Cowboys needs and Romo if it works out.

The Jets have made it no secret that want to and likely will trade Sheldon Richardson.

In order to punish Phil Jackson, the NBA would have disbar any open discussion about team seeking to trade any of their players under contract. Which the league turned a blind eye to when Dwight Howard, Melo with Denver, LBJ in his last year in Cleveland the first time, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, etc were all on the trading block for their previous teams.

As the story goes, in the last major labor war, Dwayne Wade went off the rails, went completely nuts on David Stern, cussed at him and threatened him. And later when all the NBA owners had dinner together, they all LAUGHED. And what happened? The players got handed their lunch. The league was a nipple hair away from a hard cap and non guaranteed contracts as the standard. If anything, the players association has proven time and time again that they are a bunch of idiots. Billy Hunter screaming about a "fair deal" without ever acknowledging the tons of rank and file regular people who rely on NBA games for jobs and income from restaurants, bars, hotels, etc, etc. Derek Fisher and Hunter going to war with each other to see who could be the PA scapegoat when the owners steam rolled them. The response right after The Malice In The Palace. The general response over the dress code, which the NBAPA screamed racism and bigoted behavior by the league.

As the story goes, the ESPN broadcast right after the Malice incident, the former players on the panel took turns defending all the players on the court and their behavior. The word was that Stern blew his top and went insane over it. Because it was exactly the worse possible public response, it looked like the lunatics were all spoiled violent divas and thugs who were out of touch with any kind of reality or the average fan.

Every time the players go off the rails, in the next labor war, they get their lunch handed to them. The owners might hate Dolan, but he is one of them. Everything that happens between labor wars, Baron Davis getting fat and not caring, Eddy Curry hitting the sauce hard, Biedrins basically mailing it in so he could hammer the nightlife clubbing scene, all that gets held as a grudge and bled out later.

Fine Phil Jackson for WHAT EXACTLY?

The Players Association is pretty stupid. Because if the league goes after Jackson, they have to go after EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who has essentially committed tampering but held to a blind eye standard. The league understands that all the tampering talk is actually good marketing. What they want to avoid is COLLUSION. They don't want to mess with the 24.7.365 media storm that follows the NBA all year round.

What is the NBAPA going to do, send a harshly worded letter? You mean like the UN does when some rogue country decides to start ethnic cleansing? Sure, sure, you massacred a ton of people, here's a HARSHLY WORDED LETTER by some guy in a blue helmet!

If the NBAPA had some real bite, they would have hit Jackson hard already. Instead they sent a tough sounding email.

While the owners and Adam Silver are secretly laughing their asses off, maybe they should pool together a few bucks and Fed Ex Michele Roberts a blue helmet.

Too bad no one just has the balls to tell Melo straight up, from that PA, that if you play the game the right way, then you'll start to get called things you want to hear.

It horrible PR thats the point

True, but we're the Knicks we always get horrible PR. Until he cripples the team's future for a subpar reward now. Phil is by default the best GM here since 99.

knicks1248 wrote:It horrible PR thats the point

Does this actually need to be explained to you? I suppose it does.

The Knicks ALREADY have bad PR. Phil Jackson ALREADY has negative criticism of his run at head of the Knicks operations.

What is the ALTERNATIVE? Say nothing and endure TWO MORE YEARS of Melo chucking it, ball stopping, and being a gigantic diva that creates nothing but off the court distraction after distraction?

When guys who work at nuclear power plants face a massive disaster/accident, you know what they do? They stay on the job. They are dead anyway. They typically, in this nightmare scenario, have been exposed to so much radiation, that the clock is ticking. It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN, they will die painfully. So instead of asking others to come in, in a suicide mission, to salvage what they can, those guys STAY on the job and do it until they die. Because they understand, they can't save themselves anymore, but they can save the others outside of the plant. They can save others local to the area who have not been exposed yet.

What's a little more negative criticism going to cost Phil Jackson at this point, when he's already getting roasted by the media for everything NOT to do with Melo?

He's doubling down. Like in the movie Speed, when the brakes don't work, well screw it, just push the accelerator at full throttle and see what happens.

Say nothing, Melo doesn't have any incentive to waive his NTC, he rots here, because he doesn't care about winning or the team, he cares about being in NY for his stupid branding.

OR

Say something, damage the "perception" and "brand" enough to where Melo has a new incentive to waive his NTC, allowing the Knicks as a franchise to move forward.

It's almost like none of you saw Bill Parcells use the media to hammer down on players for two decades or more.

As the story goes, female rapper, Lil' Kim had to get her stomach pumped. Because she got into the middle of a gigantic gangbang and guzzled down like 35-40 dudes. Will guy 41 slamming her throat back and coating it with protein going to make that much of a difference at that point? If it was 39 dudes, instead of 40, does that instantly make her more virtuous?

Phil Jackson has nothing to lose at this point. All that matters is whether a personnel move will either help or hurt the Knicks for the long term.

The problem is not Phil Jackson, the problem is that you have no basic understanding of the NBA marketplace nor how the NBA functionally operates.

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil is killing our chances with free agents. Almost as much as Dolan.

Including our own current and future free agents like that unicorn fella.

Did you see Phil's reaction when asked about turning off perspective free agents because of how Melo was treated??..He is so out of touch..

To the contrary. He's telling free agents that the Knicks are turning a corner and that as a free agent you wont get stuck standing around watching Melo hold the ball. You can actually play to win.

Very positive message for FAs. No staleMelo.

fwk00 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Phil is killing our chances with free agents. Almost as much as Dolan.

Including our own current and future free agents like that unicorn fella.

Did you see Phil's reaction when asked about turning off perspective free agents because of how Melo was treated??..He is so out of touch..

To the contrary. He's telling free agents that the Knicks are turning a corner and that as a free agent you wont get stuck standing around watching Melo hold the ball. You can actually play to win.

Very positive message for FAs. No staleMelo.

In the press conference, Phil said he reached out to KP after a game he didn't attempt a three point shot, and told him it was a very good thing...So which one of us do you think is out of touch??

Nalod wrote:OMG, Players association is filing a complaint. Thats some soft shyt right here.
Phil told the truth. Phil, like Pop, and Riles is putting the team before good faste and decorum.
They complained to the comish, Wow, thats some serious stuff!!!!
Stay classy? Dude, Phil just got two more years.

I agree, I don't think Phil insulted melo one bit. He just told the truth, when they asked about being critical of melo holding on to the ball... he said I wasn't being critical he was stating a fact . Melo holds on to the ball too long... melo is a top notch scorer, average rebounder, and a terrible defender. On top of only being a elite scorer, he brings the drama of me ball how many times did melo throw up contested brick after brick after brick only to continue to call his own number... that's deflating to the team, his drama is deflating to the team, his failure to play defense is deflating to the team...

Something melo never learned that his brotherhood in lbj,cp3,d wade... they all play team basketball and get their teammates going before they get theirs ... they are all natural born leaders, you don't see LBJ smile when he bricks a jumper or doesn't get a call. You never see any of his brotherhood take contested jumper after jumper ...

The only way melo even sniffs a chip is if he changes his me mentality,buys in to team basketball.. and comes off the bench

Nalod wrote:OMG, Players association is filing a complaint. Thats some soft shyt right here.
Phil told the truth. Phil, like Pop, and Riles is putting the team before good faste and decorum.
They complained to the comish, Wow, thats some serious stuff!!!!
Stay classy? Dude, Phil just got two more years.

The smartest guy in the Knick organazation gave him the last two years. Makes me feel much better.

PresIke wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/insidehoops/status/853429831748513792

Masterful performance by Phil yesterday.

LOL -- a few vaginas on this board actually believe they know more about the NBA then Mr 11 Championships.

Fact is Phil said nothing wrong and any player upset about his comments is a ***** on par with. melo.

This from the biggest Lin Vagina who thinks his closet data stream gives him more insight then KP, NBA execs, NBA players, NBA players union and his own ears and eyes. What is the 11 ringed (Courtesy of the some of the greatest players of all time)prez record as an executive?

But your right, this probably will help FA signings.

Anyone not realize that vaginas are ridiculously powerful in that they can get men to do stupid things and most incredibly elastic body part that makes using the name as an insult sound even more ignorant than the real reasons folks use it?

Yup, it would be nice to have a basketball board without casual misogyny

PresIke wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/insidehoops/status/853429831748513792

Masterful performance by Phil yesterday.

LOL -- a few vaginas on this board actually believe they know more about the NBA then Mr 11 Championships.

Fact is Phil said nothing wrong and any player upset about his comments is a ***** on par with. melo.

This from the biggest Lin Vagina who thinks his closet data stream gives him more insight then KP, NBA execs, NBA players, NBA players union and his own ears and eyes. What is the 11 ringed (Courtesy of the some of the greatest players of all time)prez record as an executive?

But your right, this probably will help FA signings.

Anyone not realize that vaginas are ridiculously powerful in that they can get men to do stupid things and most incredibly elastic body part that makes using the name as an insult sound even more ignorant than the real reasons folks use it?

Where was the insult? I said he is the Vagina Lin uses?