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fitzfarm
Posts: 25280 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2010 Member: #3285 |
4/9/2017 9:52 PM
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:Just look at how far Baker has come since the start of the year! The confidence and how smooth he looks now!Nobody is saying we don't want Baker...he should be apart of the team next year. HOWEVER that doesn't mean we should abandon drafting a point guard in a strong draft class for point guards 100% agree ... perfect high IQ glue pg for the system |
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
4/9/2017 10:52 PM LAST EDITED: 4/9/2017 10:53 PM
I like Baker, but he's a good bench PG. Eventually he might become starter good but not next year and it wouldn't be fair to go into the season with him in that role. I do hope he avg between 12 - 20 minutes a night.
Expect them to draft Fox, Monk, Ntilikina who are all big guards (6'4) alongside Austin Rivers (6'4) or Reggie Jackson (6'3). For Reggie I would expect Phil to get this year's Detroit draft pick as well. However, all things even I think it's Austin who fits the triangle PG role more and is a better defender. Knicks rotation Austin Rookie PG That team isn't great but I expect the Knicks to be bad at least 1 more year to try and draft the future European player Gawd Doncic The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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franco12
Posts: 34069 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
4/9/2017 11:58 PM
Nothing against Baker - but honest, he should not be getting minutes on a team that plays 500 or above ball. And not because he can't contribute - sure, he can. But it's hard to imagine us not being able to wildly upgrade the PG position.
He is stop gap. Does he have grit, yes. |
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nyknickzingis
Posts: 23029 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/8/2015 Member: #6207 |
4/10/2017 5:47 AM
Baker could be a secondary guard in the Triangle, in a backcourt where the other guard is a scoring/shooting stud. He needs a 20-22 points a night guy next to him. He looked best when Sasha was shooting great or when Rose was next to him scoring well. Without that, we'd be too depleted.
He needs to improve his 3 ball. I can see him be a Fisher or Dellavedova for a team, but Fisher played with Kobe Bryant, Westbrook and players like that in his career. |
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martin
Posts: 79974 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
4/10/2017 11:02 AM
franco12 wrote:Nothing against Baker - but honest, he should not be getting minutes on a team that plays 500 or above ball. And not because he can't contribute - sure, he can. But it's hard to imagine us not being able to wildly upgrade the PG position. Not for me. Dude has shown something this year at one of the harder positions to understand in an offense that is not dumbed down to PnR over and over and over again. And he plays some tough D. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
4/10/2017 11:40 AM
reub wrote:If we combine need and talent, the right pick for this team is probably Ntilikina. Our perimeter defense is our biggest weakness. Plus it looks like he can really shoot and doesn't need the ball. A positive for him is that he will mature into a player who can play both guard positions...and if his shooting continues to improve, and all reports are that his shooting did improve this year, there is no reason to think that he could not be on the court at the same time with Baker playing lead guard...giving us a pretty good perimeter D. Lots of options in this draft...we need that 6 slot, though. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
4/10/2017 11:44 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I like baker BUT lets dial it down. This is one of the better drafts for point guards in recent memory. Take the best player available but dont pass up a good point guard because of baker Have thought about Mason also...if we pick up an Isaac in Rnd 1, I could see giving him a chance, though we know that Jackson supposedly likes larger guards. Will be interesting to see if we work him out. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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stanleybostitch
Posts: 20731 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/7/2006 Member: #1071 |
4/10/2017 12:10 PM
Let's also give Hornacek the credit he deserves for coaching up Baker (and Willy). The mentorship that he can provide to these kids is key, and should put to rest any talk of whether he's the right coach for the team.
The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
4/10/2017 12:43 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I like baker BUT lets dial it down. This is one of the better drafts for point guards in recent memory. Take the best player available but dont pass up a good point guard because of baker Isn't D.Fisher like 6'1 or 6'2?? |
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 40252 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
4/10/2017 1:00 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I like baker BUT lets dial it down. This is one of the better drafts for point guards in recent memory. Take the best player available but dont pass up a good point guard because of baker I'd like to snatch someone like Nigel Williams-Goss with the last pick. Has size and is heady. He's not athletic enough to be a Frontline starter, but I can see him developing into a rotation player. Baker doesn't score enough to be a Frontline starter. It could happen. But until that happens, we still need an upgrade. Who knows tho? Maybe Baker will have his mid-range and close-range attack figured out in year two. I think Baker's defense definitely gives him and edge over Randle coming back. Next year looks solid for SGs, so I don't see the same urgency to draft Monk over Issac, Jackson Tatum and some of the other SF types that drop down. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
4/10/2017 1:35 PM
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:Nothing against Baker - but honest, he should not be getting minutes on a team that plays 500 or above ball. And not because he can't contribute - sure, he can. But it's hard to imagine us not being able to wildly upgrade the PG position. Exactly!!! People are totally underestimating the BB IQ of Baker. Think about it, both Rose and BJ could not figure out the Triangle. Baker demonstrates he can execute at a high level and as he got more comfortable you saw the return of his offense starting. He's much more capable as a scorer than it looked. So big, tough, smart, long, 2Way guard that can play PG or SG! That's special. He doesn't have to be a star to be very effective for this team. |
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Panos
Posts: 30556 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2004 Member: #520 |
4/10/2017 2:23 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I like baker BUT lets dial it down. This is one of the better drafts for point guards in recent memory. Take the best player available but dont pass up a good point guard because of baker Other very recent favorite young PGs that were hyped prematurely or during meaningless seasons: Let's just chill. I remember people saying they wouldn't trade Channing Frye for Kevin Garnett after his rookie year. Same story every year. Homers projecting rookie players to be starters before they've proven anything. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
4/10/2017 3:21 PM
Panos wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I like baker BUT lets dial it down. This is one of the better drafts for point guards in recent memory. Take the best player available but dont pass up a good point guard because of baker I actually think Baker has shown a lot already. NEVER did any of Grant, Galloway or TD look as capable of running the team as Baker has. No, Baker isn't a lock to be a star but he has demonstrated he can hold his own on D and he understands how to run Triangle too. Baker seems to be closer to the ideal PG Phil is looking for. We had hopes Grant would develop along these lines but Baker is a stronger player and doesn't get pushed around. Galloway was never as good at running the offense as Baker. |
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martin
Posts: 79974 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
4/10/2017 3:35 PM
nixluva wrote:Panos wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I like baker BUT lets dial it down. This is one of the better drafts for point guards in recent memory. Take the best player available but dont pass up a good point guard because of baker Let me fix that sentence. Gallo was never good at running an offense. Period. To a lesser extent he is Rose without the athleticism, but at least he tried on D (still wasn't so good at it). Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Knixkik
Posts: 35753 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
4/10/2017 3:58 PM
martin wrote:nixluva wrote:Panos wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I like baker BUT lets dial it down. This is one of the better drafts for point guards in recent memory. Take the best player available but dont pass up a good point guard because of baker Yeah no question that Baker offers a lot more than Grant, Galloway, and Douglas ever showed. He is establishing himself as a low mistake facilitator who can pass and defend. I think his development as a shooter will determine how good he becomes. He can definitely shoot, the ball just isn't going in a lot yet. If he can become a 36+% 3pt shooter, he can become a good 3rd guard, or even starting guard. His ability to fit in this system bodes well for him as well. This seems like a great fit. I would be intrigued at his ability to fit next to an elite scoring guard, possibly like Monk. |
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martin
Posts: 79974 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
4/10/2017 4:11 PM
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:nixluva wrote:Panos wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I like baker BUT lets dial it down. This is one of the better drafts for point guards in recent memory. Take the best player available but dont pass up a good point guard because of baker 100% Improved shooting will keep Baker and NDour in the league. I think Baker has a shot to be a very solid PG starter for the Knicks next to a high level SG or SF. Or both. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
4/10/2017 6:34 PM
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:Nothing against Baker - but honest, he should not be getting minutes on a team that plays 500 or above ball. And not because he can't contribute - sure, he can. But it's hard to imagine us not being able to wildly upgrade the PG position. Have a feeling that Jackson loves Baker...he'll be able to let Sasha go next year because Baker has bought into the Triangle and seems to be able to run it. Not unlike Galloway, who also seemed to pick it up quickly...and played hardnosed D. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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