holfresh wrote:Yeah and the tweets??..Who is behind those??? And the ghost articles???

Hillary.

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldn't be talking about how good anyone who has managed the Knicks over the last 17 years

We have a litany of failed draft picks trades free agency and of course over record

If anything it shows that these old guard of player evaluators are way past the time

I have no idea where you get off talking like this.

IMO, there are a lot of very vocal critics of the management who have zero idea of what constraints these guys are saddled with in attempting to build a winning team [and I'm not talking about a flash in the pan run]

The last executive we had who was clueless (and he was not alone among his peers) was Scott Layden. And his sin was inherited from Dolan and Riley who spent whatever they wanted for whatever they wanted without paying attention to the unanticipated consequences of the new player agreements. Allan Houston's contract was the fiscal straw that broke the camel's back.

There was an interim period between then and the Melo era in which successive administrations attempted to navigate out of the trainwreck that transpired. The Melo era has been a trainwreck all on its own. You are smart enough to figure out the common denominator there. And just before Melo, we had a window of opportunity with D'Antoni to be interesting.

But the very minute this team is about to turn a corner, a blood-thirsty local media and rabid fans demand "change" and the stupid loop starts all over again.

You and your peers need to chill the F' out. Let's give stubborn optimism a chance.

Fwk. You can say whatever you want-- make any excuse you want.

Two things blaming the fans is blasphemy of the worst kind. All the fans do is provide the revenues for these people's highly paid jobs and show up every night despite the apocalypse of the last 17 years.

You are what your record says it is. Even if King Dolan was giving these guys orders to win now is still doesn't matter. I can go back and name error after error that easily could've changed things. Sorry FWk nothing personal the Knicks have been abysmal and everyone associated is part of the disaster

Nobody is blaming the fans. I do blame the clueless sheep who believe everything they read in the NY rags. By sucking the oxygen out of intelligent analysis we get treated to a regular dose of intellectually toxic rumor, innuendo, recrimination, and political sadism. Yeah, I BLAME THAT.

I've been a fan of this team since the mid-sixties and saw them play at the old mecca. Followed them thick and thin. I've also watched the agents, money-changers, and greedy bastards pervert both the game and the sport.

In the NBA it is no longer true that your record is what the win-loss column indicates. And this is so because of the introduction of a draft that rewards losing and skin-flint running of teams. I have long advocated that teams who participate in the draft cannot double-dip year after year. IMO, you get a top seven pick this year you cannot get another until the year after next.

Fans like you use wins and losses like blunt weapons to embarrass and humiliate administrators who dedicate their lives to making this team better. That is not cool. It is not fair. AND you miss the point.

Phil and co are doing what has to be done. They didn't invent ugly rebuilding, the NBA did.

And I personally HATE IT. But its the way the NBA rolls and we have no choice to roll with it. The Knicks are not abysmal - they are in the process of becoming. Their losses are largely orchestrated for lottery position. You can't put that on their backs as being incompetent. By focusing on wins and losses in a blown season you miss the contingency plan, if not this year then next more smartly.

The delusion runs so deep at the Garden.

CrushAlot wrote:If you give him credit for the 2009-2014 drafts until Gaines was hired, Gabriel has a pretty poor record. I am not sure how his having a position changes the fact that Phil has struggled so much making the transition to being a front office guy. Phil is a very strong willed individual. I think he accepts input from others but does what he thinks is right or fits with what he is trying to do. Also, is Gabriel still in place because there aren't enough Phil guys to fill positions?

I have no idea what and why Dolan likes to stack former exec's of the year as he has with Warkentein and Gabriel. Warky was an CAA guy and I thought an advocate of Melo's in the organization. A former GM himself, as Gabriel the saavy of them to have influence on trade concepts would be seen has a good thing.
But lets not be naive, all organizations have these guys in place as part of an organizational effort.

These guys are the knicks, and perhaps part of a process that has not produced results but as asked: "What was their directive from the man in charge"? They can agree or disagree with moves made. They are part of the process that created Willy and drafted KP. Same for the decisions of Noah, Rose, etc........

All I wanted was to demonstrate that Knicks, as other teams have deep organizations and its not just on one man. Also, this group has been together seemingly under different directives. There was a time Free agency would be a priority, then Trades of picks, and now developing players. Love Gaines, then understand Ndour is a decision influenced by him. Might work, maybe not. Baker has stuck all year long. Randle was bought back. War PlumLord is also valued to some extent.

We fault Phil for Galloway departure but he was given two years to develop and another team valued him and he got paid. One has to see that as a success even though he is not there. Teams move players. Grant and Hardaway are ok players. League if full of guys that move around. Its not just a knick failure.

Nothing for or against Phil is clear cut and obvious. The man is arrogant and walks to a different beat. Might be seen as a reason to get rid of him, or why would we want a guy that conforms to what every other team does?

Also, look at Riley and Pop. both earned massive respect as coach's and moved to other responsibilities. Both those men are prickly and arrogant. Riles has a lot of bad years while rebuilding. Pop has a history of also being stand offish and prickly. Do they publicly call out their players? Did Phil really do anything that awful here?

Really?

I suppose he has if you support an agenda. Im my view, this organization has so suffered by not developing players and using picks wisely that to turn it around would take years. There are notable quicker turn arounds, like Masai did in toronto but they had some nice pieces in place, picks and assetts to use. Knicks have been depleted for years.

TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote: Sure, fire Phil, then what? Change the process but the fact is process change alone might not yield short term desirable results.
"yeah, but a monkey could have done better......" You believe that, you then just want your blame extinguished.

Baseline question for the NY Knicks when it comes to hiring or firing an executive who has all decision making powers

WILL YOU HAVE TO START AT THE SAME PLACE AND DO THE THINGS YOU NEEDED TO DO AT THE END OF SAID EXECUTIVES RUN THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO DO IN THE BEGINNING ANYWAY?

More to point, would the "Phil Jackson Experience" simply be a function of burning time.

If the "right thing" for the franchise would be for an incoming GM to trade Melo, trade all veteran assets who can be moved, sign value free agents whenever possible, avoid bad contracts and tank and try to rebuild via the draft, if that has to happen after Phil Jackson leaves, just like it was needed when he first walked in the door - Then you have to remove him from power.

A team "rebuild" does become more complicated over time. Boston and Houston are brought up a few times in other threads. Yes, where the Celtics are right now, there are some super hard choices to make. They have a lot of assets, they have a lot of smaller pieces, but they want to push over the hump and become a contender. OKC faced this with the situation when both Ibaka and Harden were going to need extensions or be traded. The Kendrick Perkins trade, which ultimately failed, was a rough decision forcing the team to finally go all in and see what happens. Houston had some rough choices after they got Harden and Howard, but Parsons was going to walk and they were going to push for Melo in FA.

But the BEGINNING. That was NOT HARD. Celtics dumped Pierce and Garnett in trades and tanked. They didn't buy into long term bad contracts. They tried to increase their asset base, focus on getting young players with upside and working the draft circuit. They moved whatever veterans they could off the roster for future assets. NOT HARD.

Many critics of Sam Presti and what he did with the 76ers fail to acknowledge what he was super open and honest about - that an NBA rebuild, there really isn't a ton of options at the start. The system almost forces your decision making into how you can get better.

Gabriel would be a good exec, or a bad exec. Gaines could be a good exec or a bad one. Wark, same thing. Houston, same thing. At the end of the day, Jackson is an aging team runner with NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE running an NBA team or with scouting or analytics. Worse, he clearly had enemies in the league from his free wheeling days in the press and he's pushing an offense that's mired in controversy and does not mesh well with his players.

At THIS INITIAL STAGE OF A REBUILD, the direction literally writes itself. It's pretty simple. That an aging no experienced team runner is going against the grain, and the results are even worse, should tell you something about his choices. Yes, he walked into a team with bad contracts, a "franchise" player who doesn't give a crap about anything other than "branding" and gutted of draft assets. Not his fault. But it means his margin of error on a 'clumsy' roster got even thinner.

When you are in charge, you get all the CREDIT if you win, and all the BLAME if you lose. That's how it works. It's how it always works, even outside of sports.

To move forward, the Knicks need to trade Melo, trade off all their veterans who have any kind of value, avoid bad long term contracts, focus on young players and their development and tank. Things THEY NEEDED TO DO ANYWAY TO START. To me, this is the best case and reason why Jackson needs to removed from power ( notice I didn't say "fired" because he could just be shifted into a thankless ceremonial role, be said to say "health" reasons and cash his big fat checks in Aruba)

This not about blame, it's about the future of the franchise and winning. How do you derail the PROCESS when it hasn't even started yet? ( Please do not cite Zinger and Hernangomez as proof of the process, nothing the Knicks have done lines up with practical early stage team rebuilding)

Giving Jackson two more years is giving him time to burn out what cap space the Knicks have left to sign another bad 4 year contract or two to a declining veteran player who will operate as a tax on the next Knicks GM in place. This is not a question of just the next two years for Jackson, this is a QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPACT OF HIS DECISIONS ON THE FIVE YEARS AFTER HE'S GONE FROM THE FRANCHISE. There are situations where an inexperienced GM or team runner can learn on the job. John Lynch with the SF 49ers might be one of them. This is not the case here in NY.

Gabriel could be awesome. Or he could be crap. In the end, Jackson needs to go and if it means one or two pretty good execs need to be swept out with him, that's unfortunate but the cost of doing business.

For this franchise to move forward, Jackson and Melo have to go. They need to go now. Melo in trade, and Jackson to a soft retirement. Who cares about blame? Sure, they both shoulder responsibility for the Knicks current dysfunction, but more importantly, the future of the franchise requires that they both get the door.

Ever see a married couple war it out? His fault. Her fault. Who gives a flying f**k, just get a divorce before you emotionally and physically destroy the child. The Knicks as a franchise are the "kid" here. If you want to blame Phil, do so. If you don't, then don't. Either way, it doesn't change the reality that divorce is needed. If you want to blame Melo, do so, if you don't, then don't, doesn't change the reality that divorce is needed.

If Gabriel is the exec some of you think he is, then he will land on his feet. On another team. If he's a great exec, then sometimes casualties happen for the greater good of winning the war. I'm sure when Rex Ryan got cleaned out, there were some damn fine lower level coaches on his staff that had to go too. But that's the price of doing business and winning.

Blame happens when you STAY in a bad marriage. There is no need for blame once you get divorced. The dumb b!tch is out of your life. And what do they say about divorce? It's expensive. Why is it expensive? BECAUSE IT'S WORTH IT.

If you guys want BLAME to end, then embrace the impending divorce. The longer you guys want to avoid it, the more it's going to cost this franchise and it's future.

Are you from Colorado because if you are pass that stuff around.

Your argument is all over the map and sometimes off it.

From my understanding, Gabriel has been dealing with a medical issue or two that either involves him or his family. He's not a go-to guy so much anymore.

Phil and Melo are not married no matter what Asshola reports. Phil runs the show. Melo is a player who has arguably NEVER meshed on the court with any combination of teammates since he's been here and that includes time before Phil. Phil has nothing to do with that. Nothing.

And it is only the latest player's agreement that makes the draft an almost exclusive avenue for team improvement. Prior to that Free agency was still viable.

Look the world doesn't end if Phil gets fired but there is an anti-pattern at work that is easy to recognise. No matter who gets hired is allowed to finally get to a corner to turn the team around and the boo birds perform a career mugging on the individual(s). Phil being the latest target. Why is it an anti-pattern? Because the team (your -sniffle- precious child) is never allowed to turn the corner to a brighter day.

Melo needs to get a tutor to read the writing on the wall to him, "Don't go away mad, just go away."

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote: Sure, fire Phil, then what? Change the process but the fact is process change alone might not yield short term desirable results.
"yeah, but a monkey could have done better......" You believe that, you then just want your blame extinguished.

Baseline question for the NY Knicks when it comes to hiring or firing an executive who has all decision making powers

WILL YOU HAVE TO START AT THE SAME PLACE AND DO THE THINGS YOU NEEDED TO DO AT THE END OF SAID EXECUTIVES RUN THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO DO IN THE BEGINNING ANYWAY?

More to point, would the "Phil Jackson Experience" simply be a function of burning time.

If the "right thing" for the franchise would be for an incoming GM to trade Melo, trade all veteran assets who can be moved, sign value free agents whenever possible, avoid bad contracts and tank and try to rebuild via the draft, if that has to happen after Phil Jackson leaves, just like it was needed when he first walked in the door - Then you have to remove him from power.

A team "rebuild" does become more complicated over time. Boston and Houston are brought up a few times in other threads. Yes, where the Celtics are right now, there are some super hard choices to make. They have a lot of assets, they have a lot of smaller pieces, but they want to push over the hump and become a contender. OKC faced this with the situation when both Ibaka and Harden were going to need extensions or be traded. The Kendrick Perkins trade, which ultimately failed, was a rough decision forcing the team to finally go all in and see what happens. Houston had some rough choices after they got Harden and Howard, but Parsons was going to walk and they were going to push for Melo in FA.

But the BEGINNING. That was NOT HARD. Celtics dumped Pierce and Garnett in trades and tanked. They didn't buy into long term bad contracts. They tried to increase their asset base, focus on getting young players with upside and working the draft circuit. They moved whatever veterans they could off the roster for future assets. NOT HARD.

Many critics of Sam Presti and what he did with the 76ers fail to acknowledge what he was super open and honest about - that an NBA rebuild, there really isn't a ton of options at the start. The system almost forces your decision making into how you can get better.

Gabriel would be a good exec, or a bad exec. Gaines could be a good exec or a bad one. Wark, same thing. Houston, same thing. At the end of the day, Jackson is an aging team runner with NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE running an NBA team or with scouting or analytics. Worse, he clearly had enemies in the league from his free wheeling days in the press and he's pushing an offense that's mired in controversy and does not mesh well with his players.

At THIS INITIAL STAGE OF A REBUILD, the direction literally writes itself. It's pretty simple. That an aging no experienced team runner is going against the grain, and the results are even worse, should tell you something about his choices. Yes, he walked into a team with bad contracts, a "franchise" player who doesn't give a crap about anything other than "branding" and gutted of draft assets. Not his fault. But it means his margin of error on a 'clumsy' roster got even thinner.

When you are in charge, you get all the CREDIT if you win, and all the BLAME if you lose. That's how it works. It's how it always works, even outside of sports.

To move forward, the Knicks need to trade Melo, trade off all their veterans who have any kind of value, avoid bad long term contracts, focus on young players and their development and tank. Things THEY NEEDED TO DO ANYWAY TO START. To me, this is the best case and reason why Jackson needs to removed from power ( notice I didn't say "fired" because he could just be shifted into a thankless ceremonial role, be said to say "health" reasons and cash his big fat checks in Aruba)

This not about blame, it's about the future of the franchise and winning. How do you derail the PROCESS when it hasn't even started yet? ( Please do not cite Zinger and Hernangomez as proof of the process, nothing the Knicks have done lines up with practical early stage team rebuilding)

Giving Jackson two more years is giving him time to burn out what cap space the Knicks have left to sign another bad 4 year contract or two to a declining veteran player who will operate as a tax on the next Knicks GM in place. This is not a question of just the next two years for Jackson, this is a QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPACT OF HIS DECISIONS ON THE FIVE YEARS AFTER HE'S GONE FROM THE FRANCHISE. There are situations where an inexperienced GM or team runner can learn on the job. John Lynch with the SF 49ers might be one of them. This is not the case here in NY.

Gabriel could be awesome. Or he could be crap. In the end, Jackson needs to go and if it means one or two pretty good execs need to be swept out with him, that's unfortunate but the cost of doing business.

For this franchise to move forward, Jackson and Melo have to go. They need to go now. Melo in trade, and Jackson to a soft retirement. Who cares about blame? Sure, they both shoulder responsibility for the Knicks current dysfunction, but more importantly, the future of the franchise requires that they both get the door.

Ever see a married couple war it out? His fault. Her fault. Who gives a flying f**k, just get a divorce before you emotionally and physically destroy the child. The Knicks as a franchise are the "kid" here. If you want to blame Phil, do so. If you don't, then don't. Either way, it doesn't change the reality that divorce is needed. If you want to blame Melo, do so, if you don't, then don't, doesn't change the reality that divorce is needed.

If Gabriel is the exec some of you think he is, then he will land on his feet. On another team. If he's a great exec, then sometimes casualties happen for the greater good of winning the war. I'm sure when Rex Ryan got cleaned out, there were some damn fine lower level coaches on his staff that had to go too. But that's the price of doing business and winning.

Blame happens when you STAY in a bad marriage. There is no need for blame once you get divorced. The dumb b!tch is out of your life. And what do they say about divorce? It's expensive. Why is it expensive? BECAUSE IT'S WORTH IT.

If you guys want BLAME to end, then embrace the impending divorce. The longer you guys want to avoid it, the more it's going to cost this franchise and it's future.

Are you from Colorado because if you are pass that stuff around.

Your argument is all over the map and sometimes off it.

From my understanding, Gabriel has been dealing with a medical issue or two that either involves him or his family. He's not a go-to guy so much anymore.

Phil and Melo are not married no matter what Asshola reports. Phil runs the show. Melo is a player who has arguably NEVER meshed on the court with any combination of teammates since he's been here and that includes time before Phil. Phil has nothing to do with that. Nothing.

And it is only the latest player's agreement that makes the draft an almost exclusive avenue for team improvement. Prior to that Free agency was still viable.

Look the world doesn't end if Phil gets fired but there is an anti-pattern at work that is easy to recognise. No matter who gets hired is allowed to finally get to a corner to turn the team around and the boo birds perform a career mugging on the individual(s). Phil being the latest target. Why is it an anti-pattern? Because the team (your -sniffle- precious child) is never allowed to turn the corner to a brighter day.

Melo needs to get a tutor to read the writing on the wall to him, "Don't go away mad, just go away."

Ideally both guys move on. But in regards to your married comment, both guys could be in ny for two more years. Melo because Phil gave him a near max deal with a ntc and trade kicker that bumps his salary cap number to 30 mil (I believe) for the team that takes him if he waves his ntc. Phil can stay because Dolan said he is going to honor his contract and keep him in place for two more years. Also, earlier in the thread someone mentioned the Knicks shouldn't move on from Phil because Dolan respects him enough to give him autonomy. The last guy that fit that description runs the Liberty now.

Ideally, fans like yourself don't fall apart when that doesn't happen.

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote: Sure, fire Phil, then what? Change the process but the fact is process change alone might not yield short term desirable results.
"yeah, but a monkey could have done better......" You believe that, you then just want your blame extinguished.

Baseline question for the NY Knicks when it comes to hiring or firing an executive who has all decision making powers

WILL YOU HAVE TO START AT THE SAME PLACE AND DO THE THINGS YOU NEEDED TO DO AT THE END OF SAID EXECUTIVES RUN THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO DO IN THE BEGINNING ANYWAY?

More to point, would the "Phil Jackson Experience" simply be a function of burning time.

If the "right thing" for the franchise would be for an incoming GM to trade Melo, trade all veteran assets who can be moved, sign value free agents whenever possible, avoid bad contracts and tank and try to rebuild via the draft, if that has to happen after Phil Jackson leaves, just like it was needed when he first walked in the door - Then you have to remove him from power.

A team "rebuild" does become more complicated over time. Boston and Houston are brought up a few times in other threads. Yes, where the Celtics are right now, there are some super hard choices to make. They have a lot of assets, they have a lot of smaller pieces, but they want to push over the hump and become a contender. OKC faced this with the situation when both Ibaka and Harden were going to need extensions or be traded. The Kendrick Perkins trade, which ultimately failed, was a rough decision forcing the team to finally go all in and see what happens. Houston had some rough choices after they got Harden and Howard, but Parsons was going to walk and they were going to push for Melo in FA.

But the BEGINNING. That was NOT HARD. Celtics dumped Pierce and Garnett in trades and tanked. They didn't buy into long term bad contracts. They tried to increase their asset base, focus on getting young players with upside and working the draft circuit. They moved whatever veterans they could off the roster for future assets. NOT HARD.

Many critics of Sam Presti and what he did with the 76ers fail to acknowledge what he was super open and honest about - that an NBA rebuild, there really isn't a ton of options at the start. The system almost forces your decision making into how you can get better.

Gabriel would be a good exec, or a bad exec. Gaines could be a good exec or a bad one. Wark, same thing. Houston, same thing. At the end of the day, Jackson is an aging team runner with NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE running an NBA team or with scouting or analytics. Worse, he clearly had enemies in the league from his free wheeling days in the press and he's pushing an offense that's mired in controversy and does not mesh well with his players.

At THIS INITIAL STAGE OF A REBUILD, the direction literally writes itself. It's pretty simple. That an aging no experienced team runner is going against the grain, and the results are even worse, should tell you something about his choices. Yes, he walked into a team with bad contracts, a "franchise" player who doesn't give a crap about anything other than "branding" and gutted of draft assets. Not his fault. But it means his margin of error on a 'clumsy' roster got even thinner.

When you are in charge, you get all the CREDIT if you win, and all the BLAME if you lose. That's how it works. It's how it always works, even outside of sports.

To move forward, the Knicks need to trade Melo, trade off all their veterans who have any kind of value, avoid bad long term contracts, focus on young players and their development and tank. Things THEY NEEDED TO DO ANYWAY TO START. To me, this is the best case and reason why Jackson needs to removed from power ( notice I didn't say "fired" because he could just be shifted into a thankless ceremonial role, be said to say "health" reasons and cash his big fat checks in Aruba)

This not about blame, it's about the future of the franchise and winning. How do you derail the PROCESS when it hasn't even started yet? ( Please do not cite Zinger and Hernangomez as proof of the process, nothing the Knicks have done lines up with practical early stage team rebuilding)

Giving Jackson two more years is giving him time to burn out what cap space the Knicks have left to sign another bad 4 year contract or two to a declining veteran player who will operate as a tax on the next Knicks GM in place. This is not a question of just the next two years for Jackson, this is a QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPACT OF HIS DECISIONS ON THE FIVE YEARS AFTER HE'S GONE FROM THE FRANCHISE. There are situations where an inexperienced GM or team runner can learn on the job. John Lynch with the SF 49ers might be one of them. This is not the case here in NY.

Gabriel could be awesome. Or he could be crap. In the end, Jackson needs to go and if it means one or two pretty good execs need to be swept out with him, that's unfortunate but the cost of doing business.

For this franchise to move forward, Jackson and Melo have to go. They need to go now. Melo in trade, and Jackson to a soft retirement. Who cares about blame? Sure, they both shoulder responsibility for the Knicks current dysfunction, but more importantly, the future of the franchise requires that they both get the door.

Ever see a married couple war it out? His fault. Her fault. Who gives a flying f**k, just get a divorce before you emotionally and physically destroy the child. The Knicks as a franchise are the "kid" here. If you want to blame Phil, do so. If you don't, then don't. Either way, it doesn't change the reality that divorce is needed. If you want to blame Melo, do so, if you don't, then don't, doesn't change the reality that divorce is needed.

If Gabriel is the exec some of you think he is, then he will land on his feet. On another team. If he's a great exec, then sometimes casualties happen for the greater good of winning the war. I'm sure when Rex Ryan got cleaned out, there were some damn fine lower level coaches on his staff that had to go too. But that's the price of doing business and winning.

Blame happens when you STAY in a bad marriage. There is no need for blame once you get divorced. The dumb b!tch is out of your life. And what do they say about divorce? It's expensive. Why is it expensive? BECAUSE IT'S WORTH IT.

If you guys want BLAME to end, then embrace the impending divorce. The longer you guys want to avoid it, the more it's going to cost this franchise and it's future.

Are you from Colorado because if you are pass that stuff around.

Your argument is all over the map and sometimes off it.

From my understanding, Gabriel has been dealing with a medical issue or two that either involves him or his family. He's not a go-to guy so much anymore.

Phil and Melo are not married no matter what Asshola reports. Phil runs the show. Melo is a player who has arguably NEVER meshed on the court with any combination of teammates since he's been here and that includes time before Phil. Phil has nothing to do with that. Nothing.

And it is only the latest player's agreement that makes the draft an almost exclusive avenue for team improvement. Prior to that Free agency was still viable.

Look the world doesn't end if Phil gets fired but there is an anti-pattern at work that is easy to recognise. No matter who gets hired is allowed to finally get to a corner to turn the team around and the boo birds perform a career mugging on the individual(s). Phil being the latest target. Why is it an anti-pattern? Because the team (your -sniffle- precious child) is never allowed to turn the corner to a brighter day.

Melo needs to get a tutor to read the writing on the wall to him, "Don't go away mad, just go away."

Ideally both guys move on. But in regards to your married comment, both guys could be in ny for two more years. Melo because Phil gave him a near max deal with a ntc and trade kicker that bumps his salary cap number to 30 mil (I believe) for the team that takes him if he waves his ntc. Phil can stay because Dolan said he is going to honor his contract and keep him in place for two more years. Also, earlier in the thread someone mentioned the Knicks shouldn't move on from Phil because Dolan respects him enough to give him autonomy. The last guy that fit that description runs the Liberty now.

Ideally, fans like yourself don't fall apart when that doesn't happen.