BRIGGS wrote:Im going to go solely on who I think the Knicks will take. Ive watched Justin Jackson disrupt many players with his length on D in the tourney. If you go back in tape --pretty interestingly you can see Issac do the same thing to Jackson. The Knicks are either taking Ball#1 or Josh Jackson Jason Tatum or Jon Issac 2-3-6. I think they pass on any PG not named Ball. You can probably slot Issac into 3 and when you need him to slide him to 4 and he can defend 2-3-4 and maybe even 5-1. I just dont see the Knicks taking the risk on Frank N. There are some nice things about him but hes going to be a project the first two years and I dont think the Knicks can get away with that. Issac Tatum Jackson and Ball can be slotted in. I think the Knicks pas on Fultz Smith Fox unless players they might like better are gone.

Isaacs potential is very, very intriguing...

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BRIGGS wrote:Im going to go solely on who I think the Knicks will take. Ive watched Justin Jackson disrupt many players with his length on D in the tourney. If you go back in tape --pretty interestingly you can see Issac do the same thing to Jackson. The Knicks are either taking Ball#1 or Josh Jackson Jason Tatum or Jon Issac 2-3-6. I think they pass on any PG not named Ball. You can probably slot Issac into 3 and when you need him to slide him to 4 and he can defend 2-3-4 and maybe even 5-1. I just dont see the Knicks taking the risk on Frank N. There are some nice things about him but hes going to be a project the first two years and I dont think the Knicks can get away with that. Issac Tatum Jackson and Ball can be slotted in. I think the Knicks pas on Fultz Smith Fox unless players they might like better are gone.

Isaacs potential is very, very intriguing...

Hes the only guy at the top who can guard the frontcourt AND the backcourt with versatility on offense as well. IF we take the Knicks at their word of wanting to improve the defense--hes clearly a high level pick. This list might even be bogus because we have no idea who is going 1-2-3-4-5--for all we know Issac goes 2--it will be vERY subjective and there are many great players. I dont think its a right or wrong here--I think its what fits our team.

Ill even go darkhorse here and say if we slide to 7-8 that Justin Jackson might come into play as a 6-8 SG. Hes been impressive defensively--and hes a slotted player(meaning he plays now)

nixluva wrote:I can see Monk in the Attack Guard role. When talking about the Triangle, which we will be, you need a legit threat who has athletic ability and overall scoring skills. You need a player that can function with and without the ball and Monk fits that skill set. He's only lacking the prototypical size and strength you usually had with guys like MJ and Kobe. Still he's elite athletic and can shoot the ball.

The only thing we need to see is his playmaking ability. I think he's got enough passing to get the job done. Monk will be KILLER on Dribble Handoffs and cuts to the corner for 3!

No offense but there is 0.5/100 chance that Monk wears a Knick jersey--if Im wrong on that 1 Ill gladly eat the crow.

BRIGGS wrote:The only claim I can make is I would take Ball#1 without hesitation. The combination of his skills intangibles court vision intelligence and length at position is too much to turn away from. He becomes the brains of the operation right away--he makes everyone else better which cannot be quantified. But if we want to quantify--just take a look at his gaudy 68% eFG.

I'm going the other way with Fultz. Fultz is the most versatile guard of the group. But I think Ball is settled at 2. Ball strengths are undeniable, but he has some serious questions. How is he going to score in the half court? Who is he going to guard in the half court. His three point shot is good, but what can he do in the mid-range? Can he develop as a finisher when the game slows down? You see a guy like De'Angelo Russel, who has similar limitations physically, and you wonder if Ball passing will be as dominant an attribute in the NBA as it will be in college. That is why I give Fultz an edge at #1. Much safer pick. I agree that SFs are probably the guys we target at 6, assuming Fox is off the table. Personally, I'd be more intigued by Issac, the French kid or Smith if we fell outside the top 6.

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Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im going to go solely on who I think the Knicks will take. Ive watched Justin Jackson disrupt many players with his length on D in the tourney. If you go back in tape --pretty interestingly you can see Issac do the same thing to Jackson. The Knicks are either taking Ball#1 or Josh Jackson Jason Tatum or Jon Issac 2-3-6. I think they pass on any PG not named Ball. You can probably slot Issac into 3 and when you need him to slide him to 4 and he can defend 2-3-4 and maybe even 5-1. I just dont see the Knicks taking the risk on Frank N. There are some nice things about him but hes going to be a project the first two years and I dont think the Knicks can get away with that. Issac Tatum Jackson and Ball can be slotted in. I think the Knicks pas on Fultz Smith Fox unless players they might like better are gone.

Isaacs potential is very, very intriguing...

Hes the only guy at the top who can guard the frontcourt AND the backcourt with versatility on offense as well. IF we take the Knicks at their word of wanting to improve the defense--hes clearly a high level pick. This list might even be bogus because we have no idea who is going 1-2-3-4-5--for all we know Issac goes 2--it will be vERY subjective and there are many great players. I dont think its a right or wrong here--I think its what fits our team.

Ill even go darkhorse here and say if we slide to 7-8 that Justin Jackson might come into play as a 6-8 SG. Hes been impressive defensively--and hes a slotted player(meaning he plays now)

Isaac is intriguing. That need to guard the 2-3-4 and a guy who can smoothly do it is why I covet Josh Jackson so much. I'll have to take a closer look at Isaac.

At 6, I got Smith and Isaacs at 1 and 1 a...I'm talking myself into Isaacs as a better option than Smith...With that said, I have a feeling, Isaacs will jump into the top 5 if not higher once work outs begin...

BRIGGS wrote:Im going to go solely on who I think the Knicks will take. Ive watched Justin Jackson disrupt many players with his length on D in the tourney. If you go back in tape --pretty interestingly you can see Issac do the same thing to Jackson. The Knicks are either taking Ball#1 or Josh Jackson Jason Tatum or Jon Issac 2-3-6. I think they pass on any PG not named Ball. You can probably slot Issac into 3 and when you need him to slide him to 4 and he can defend 2-3-4 and maybe even 5-1. I just dont see the Knicks taking the risk on Frank N. There are some nice things about him but hes going to be a project the first two years and I dont think the Knicks can get away with that. Issac Tatum Jackson and Ball can be slotted in. I think the Knicks pas on Fultz Smith Fox unless players they might like better are gone.

I actually think it's the opposite they go after Frank Ntilikina because he has Greek Freek upside and is the youngest player in the draft. They've done really well relying on their foreign scout Kevin Wilson, which has been based on the idea of drafting High Skilled players over Physically superior players. Why stop now? Especially if the plan is to institute a high BBIQ system. I still think the plan is to try and get #5 and move down to #7 and #10 with the Kings based on our higher pick and a collection of players (Kuz, Lee, Lance, KQ etc) to pick up Ntilikina and Justin Jackson.

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crzymdups wrote:Yeah, the more I see of Isaac the more I like him. Games like the Boston game show our glaring hole at the 3, small ball 4. Isaac has the size to be almost as big as a traditional 4, but play quick. He can pass and shoot... Though not quite at the Josh Jackson level. I'd be on board to take a long look at Isaac.

Same...Highly doubt he will be around at 6. Isaacs potential may earn him a spot in the top 5..

That's the thing, we have no way of knowing what these other teams ahead of us will do. Only takes one team to totally flip the draft. Once we get to workouts it can all change.

Uptown wrote:No brainer to me...You take Dennis Smith. He's the prototypical lead guard in today's NBA. You need a play making/scoring guard to compete in the current version of the NBA and to be honest, other than Lonzo Ball, one can argue that Smith is the best all around guard in the draft. He has a reliable jumper, can get the hole at will, is strong, has a mid range game, is an above the rim athlete and has above average court vision. He's also a very good PNR player...

Agreed. One of the key components in most NBA teams are the ball handlers in the PNR. Toronto, Boston, Houston, Cleveland etc... all have guards who are brilliant Isoing in the pnr. With better coaching and a little bit of patience I think Smith could be successful here seeing as even with the renewed commitment to the triangle we still run plenty of PnR.

Uptown wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Yeah, the more I see of Isaac the more I like him. Games like the Boston game show our glaring hole at the 3, small ball 4. Isaac has the size to be almost as big as a traditional 4, but play quick. He can pass and shoot... Though not quite at the Josh Jackson level. I'd be on board to take a long look at Isaac.

Same...Highly doubt he will be around at 6. Isaacs potential may earn him a spot in the top 5..

On the negative side that would give us two very long athletes who could both be acls waiting to happen.

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im going to go solely on who I think the Knicks will take. Ive watched Justin Jackson disrupt many players with his length on D in the tourney. If you go back in tape --pretty interestingly you can see Issac do the same thing to Jackson. The Knicks are either taking Ball#1 or Josh Jackson Jason Tatum or Jon Issac 2-3-6. I think they pass on any PG not named Ball. You can probably slot Issac into 3 and when you need him to slide him to 4 and he can defend 2-3-4 and maybe even 5-1. I just dont see the Knicks taking the risk on Frank N. There are some nice things about him but hes going to be a project the first two years and I dont think the Knicks can get away with that. Issac Tatum Jackson and Ball can be slotted in. I think the Knicks pas on Fultz Smith Fox unless players they might like better are gone.

Isaacs potential is very, very intriguing...

Hes the only guy at the top who can guard the frontcourt AND the backcourt with versatility on offense as well. IF we take the Knicks at their word of wanting to improve the defense--hes clearly a high level pick. This list might even be bogus because we have no idea who is going 1-2-3-4-5--for all we know Issac goes 2--it will be vERY subjective and there are many great players. I dont think its a right or wrong here--I think its what fits our team.

Ill even go darkhorse here and say if we slide to 7-8 that Justin Jackson might come into play as a 6-8 SG. Hes been impressive defensively--and hes a slotted player(meaning he plays now)

How could you know what fits our team when we're about to go full on rebuild?? KP is the only guy on this team right now you can say will be starting next year for us. We don't even know if Billy will be a starter next year but i doubt it cause J.Noah will be back and would start over Billy.