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Revisiting the Derrick Rose Trade
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TPercy
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The trade
NYK trades Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant, and Jose Calderon to the Bulls for Derrick Rose, Justin Holiday, and a 2nd round pick 2017

Context
-Knicks coming off 32-50 season
-Knicks had a maximum of 30mm cap space
-Knicks roster featured: Calderon/Grant, Afflalo/LG/Sasha, Melo/LT/Dwill, KP/KOQ, Lopez/Seraphin

Why we traded(potential reasons)
-Team is devoid of talent bar KP/Melo
-Jeff needs an attacking pg
-Get a former mvp pg who maybe just needed a change of scenery
-Get out of Jose Calderons 7.5 mm per year deal

Aftermath
-We are in the NBA lottery
-We signed Noah to a terrible contract
-Rose proves to be a toxic player(taking stabs at the coach and going AWOL
-Holiday has went from journeyman to having potential as a role player as Grant has made gradual progression in his game amid tough pg competition
-Lopez isn't playing as great as he was when he was here. WS have gone down, though I suspect the quick tempo play didn't suit him. Nevertheless, his contract was golden.

Good trade or Bad Trade? Was it worth taking the risk and bringing Derrick Rose in? Would you still make this trade again?

Two things I have learned:
1) You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Bringing in Derrick Rose and expecting them to together in a choesive manner could never have happened. Rose regressed and showed little respect for authority and Melo went from DadMelo to gethismanouttahereMelo.

2) Cap space is overrated. The point of creating cap space is to sign players that would improve the roster and add more wins. Did killing Calderon's contract do anything? No, it did nothing and we got nothing out of it.

Good trade
Bad trade
Hard to say
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KnicksFE
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3/31/2017  4:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/31/2017  4:23 PM
smackeddog wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would happily trade Lopez & Grant for Rose (expiring), Holiday and a top 3 pick in this years draft- if we end up rising in the lottery then the trade was great.

Is this going to be the basis for evaluating every decision? Why don't we just give max contracts to guys like Calderon? That will help make sure we keep getting high lottery picks.

You can't have your cake and eat it, you can't say we need to rebuild via high draft picks but at the same time complain when we lose. If we kept Lopez maybe we wouldn't of sucked as much, but then we'd have a worse draft pick. Now which would you rather have? What is the priority at this point- high first round picks or role players who help you win? You can't have both.

Really Dude? One of the reason why we are getting a high draft pick this year is because that trade backfire, that trade WAS NOT done with the intent of tanking, the high pick is a result of the Knicks poor season and VERY POOR DECISIONS.

So you'd rather we had a worse pick? What are you complaining about the trade for? Who cares if it backfired if we end up with a top pick?

Who’s to say we wouldn’t have a better draft position? That’s a poor defense since RoLo is not an impact player.
Now let me tell what the Knicks would have, they would have two players on a friendly contract (tradable assets) and a high draft pick. Instead you have over paid players and a high draft pick. See the difference.
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3/31/2017  5:25 PM
KnicksFE wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would happily trade Lopez & Grant for Rose (expiring), Holiday and a top 3 pick in this years draft- if we end up rising in the lottery then the trade was great.

Is this going to be the basis for evaluating every decision? Why don't we just give max contracts to guys like Calderon? That will help make sure we keep getting high lottery picks.

You can't have your cake and eat it, you can't say we need to rebuild via high draft picks but at the same time complain when we lose. If we kept Lopez maybe we wouldn't of sucked as much, but then we'd have a worse draft pick. Now which would you rather have? What is the priority at this point- high first round picks or role players who help you win? You can't have both.

Really Dude? One of the reason why we are getting a high draft pick this year is because that trade backfire, that trade WAS NOT done with the intent of tanking, the high pick is a result of the Knicks poor season and VERY POOR DECISIONS.

So you'd rather we had a worse pick? What are you complaining about the trade for? Who cares if it backfired if we end up with a top pick?

Who’s to say we wouldn’t have a better draft position? That’s a poor defense since RoLo is not an impact player.
Now let me tell what the Knicks would have, they would have two players on a friendly contract (tradable assets) and a high draft pick. Instead you have over paid players and a high draft pick. See the difference.

We need to add top draft talent the next 2 drafts at the very least- if you love Lopez so much you can then sign him in free agency because he'll be a free agent by then.
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3/31/2017  9:45 PM
I don't buy the "Rose got us a lottery pick" agrgument. Who is to say we wouldn't have been in the lottery with Calderon still running the point this year?
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