holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's fine for these guys to give their opinions on the Knicks. I don't give a flip what they think tho. I really hope Melo decides to ask for a trade so he can get away from this situation and we can move on with trying to build a better team. It's best for both parties.

Yeah, playing the game great and analyzing the game are separate and probably completely or almost completely unrelated. It's more like the difference between being a construction worker (even a great one) and an architect who designs houses.
That said, Phil deserves all the blame he gets and it's clearly not an either/or with Melo and him.

Right..A professional basketball player doesn't know what he is seeing when it comes to basketball but some journalism student is in the know..

He knows a lot about how to get to the rim, pass to the open teammate, etc when he's on the court. I've not seen any evidence that corresponds to designing teams. Tons of great players have been terrible GMs and great GMs never even played professionally.

He has forgeten more about basketball than you will ever know...he has been playing all his life, know defenses and offense most non playing analyst have never seen...No one is talking about being a GM..I'm talking about understanding the game from a player's standpoint...Phil is a terrible GM and is a great coach...But I would trust a player's opinion over most in any sport...

Says the guy who wants a team full of guys like Melo, Rose, and DeMarcus Cousins.
It looks like Pippen's actual quote wasn't posted but if he was implying that Melo being a problem and Phil being a problem were mutually exclusive, that doesn't pass basic logic.

Your logic? Where did anyone post where Pippen said Melo was the problem..That's is your personal insertion..Look at the video yourself..

You lost me. I didn't say he said Melo was the problem. I don't know what he said. I clicked on the link and nothing came up. What did he say in the video? Did he actually say anything positive about Melo? Or is he just saying Phil should go first and Melo should go second?

He said the problem in New York is not Melo but it's Phil...He said has been the problem since coming to NY...Phil has not put the right pieces on the court..He said Melo has been great given the circumstances..He said he feels bad that Melo had to deal with this...He said Melo should start in NY and Phil should be fired..

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's fine for these guys to give their opinions on the Knicks. I don't give a flip what they think tho. I really hope Melo decides to ask for a trade so he can get away from this situation and we can move on with trying to build a better team. It's best for both parties.

Yeah, playing the game great and analyzing the game are separate and probably completely or almost completely unrelated. It's more like the difference between being a construction worker (even a great one) and an architect who designs houses.
That said, Phil deserves all the blame he gets and it's clearly not an either/or with Melo and him.

Right..A professional basketball player doesn't know what he is seeing when it comes to basketball but some journalism student is in the know..

He knows a lot about how to get to the rim, pass to the open teammate, etc when he's on the court. I've not seen any evidence that corresponds to designing teams. Tons of great players have been terrible GMs and great GMs never even played professionally.

He has forgeten more about basketball than you will ever know...he has been playing all his life, know defenses and offense most non playing analyst have never seen...No one is talking about being a GM..I'm talking about understanding the game from a player's standpoint...Phil is a terrible GM and is a great coach...But I would trust a player's opinion over most in any sport...

Says the guy who wants a team full of guys like Melo, Rose, and DeMarcus Cousins.
It looks like Pippen's actual quote wasn't posted but if he was implying that Melo being a problem and Phil being a problem were mutually exclusive, that doesn't pass basic logic.

Your logic? Where did anyone post where Pippen said Melo was the problem..That's is your personal insertion..Look at the video yourself..

You lost me. I didn't say he said Melo was the problem. I don't know what he said. I clicked on the link and nothing came up. What did he say in the video? Did he actually say anything positive about Melo? Or is he just saying Phil should go first and Melo should go second?

He said the problem in New York is not Melo but it's Phil...He said has been the problem since coming to NY...Phil has not put the right pieces on the court..He said Melo has been great given the circumstances..He said he feels bad that Melo had to deal with this...He said Melo should start in NY and Phil should be fired..

Fair enough. I'd give that about the same weight as Shaq's or Barkley's opinions.

When Hornacek was hired, Barkley said it was because he can be controlled..So he was basically saying Phil would control and manipulate him and it turned out to be true..

RSparrow2 wrote:to be honest, I think both Melo AND Phil needs to go. We'll never win with Melo here, it will take a few years of losing to get the necessary assets to put a winning team together. Trading Melo could get us a jump start and get Melo a shot to win before he declines. I don't like Phil, seems to be absent and pushes a system that does not suit his players. The positive of Phil is I believe Dolan leaves the Knicks alone, which is a good thing.

What I do know about Phil is that he stands for the right things basketball wise. He wants TEAM BALL. He wants smart players that are unselfish and will defend. Now he hasn't been great at finding Free Agents that can give the team everything it needs but I do believe he will be able to find those players in the Draft and with UDFA's and being smarter with his FA signings from here on.

The FA stuff has been mostly bad. He's gotten some good low key moves like KOQ, Holiday, LT etc. RoLo and CLee were good FA signings. Of course KP and Willy were highlights. So not everything has been bad. I want to see what he can get done from here. He still has a chance to turn this thing around and get it going in the right direction.

meloshouldgo wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Blame game. Everyone needs to cut the crap. It's hard to win in NY when the players have an agenda that opposes team ball. You want to blame Phil go ahead blame him but the true of the situation is the Knicks sucked well before Phil got here. Phil knows even if the Knicks make the playoffs there absolutely no chance they win a championship.

I don't blame Phil at all he has nothing to work with. All he has been doing is increasing the talent pool and you guys can't handle it. I am so convinced the majority of the win now fans will **** shyt up. The Knicks future lies in the draft. Think Patrick Ewing and Mark Jackson that is when it got exciting for the Knicks. Think KP with Ball you guys aren't seeing the big picture.

Scottie Pippen come out the wood works don't know shyt about the Knicks situation probably still pissed Kukoc took the last shot.

SO phil knows the best way is to build is through the draft but yet he continues to construct win now teams that fail. SO basically he is succeeding because he is so bad at his job that his poor performance is roster construction is leading to great draft position.

Yes he knows it's best to build through the draft. And most fans that follow the knives know they had one sinking first round pick the first three years he was here. Guess he should have just tried to build through the draft and psychotic Melo fans would have really respected that.

Can't make this sheeeit up

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holfresh wrote:

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Nahhh. I trust Nix, Fish and all the other haters on here more. What does Pip know anyway. Melo is definately more valuable listening to these jack offs and only taking 2 shots in a half.

phil is their hero, he's done so much for the franchise. If phil himself came out and said he's done a god awful job, they would try and convince him that he did better job then Isaiah and that's all that matters. Nevermind the franchise worse 17 win season only to get the 4th pick, never mind having the 2nd worse record in the nba during his tenure, never mind the constant roster flips..

It's all melo, afflalo, d will, shump, rose and jr's fault

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Blame game. Everyone needs to cut the crap. It's hard to win in NY when the players have an agenda that opposes team ball. You want to blame Phil go ahead blame him but the true of the situation is the Knicks sucked well before Phil got here. Phil knows even if the Knicks make the playoffs there absolutely no chance they win a championship.

I don't blame Phil at all he has nothing to work with. All he has been doing is increasing the talent pool and you guys can't handle it. I am so convinced the majority of the win now fans will **** shyt up. The Knicks future lies in the draft. Think Patrick Ewing and Mark Jackson that is when it got exciting for the Knicks. Think KP with Ball you guys aren't seeing the big picture.

Scottie Pippen come out the wood works don't know shyt about the Knicks situation probably still pissed Kukoc took the last shot.

SO phil knows the best way is to build is through the draft but yet he continues to construct win now teams that fail. SO basically he is succeeding because he is so bad at his job that his poor performance is roster construction is leading to great draft position.

he's accidently spending a 100 million dollars to build lottery team that can't win 2 games in a row.

knicks1248 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Blame game. Everyone needs to cut the crap. It's hard to win in NY when the players have an agenda that opposes team ball. You want to blame Phil go ahead blame him but the true of the situation is the Knicks sucked well before Phil got here. Phil knows even if the Knicks make the playoffs there absolutely no chance they win a championship.

I don't blame Phil at all he has nothing to work with. All he has been doing is increasing the talent pool and you guys can't handle it. I am so convinced the majority of the win now fans will **** shyt up. The Knicks future lies in the draft. Think Patrick Ewing and Mark Jackson that is when it got exciting for the Knicks. Think KP with Ball you guys aren't seeing the big picture.

Scottie Pippen come out the wood works don't know shyt about the Knicks situation probably still pissed Kukoc took the last shot.

SO phil knows the best way is to build is through the draft but yet he continues to construct win now teams that fail. SO basically he is succeeding because he is so bad at his job that his poor performance is roster construction is leading to great draft position.

he's accidently spending a 100 million dollars to build lottery team that can't win 2 games in a row.

Thats awesome. He also signed Noah for 4 years to ensure 4 more years of tanking. Pure Zen Master!!!

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Blame game. Everyone needs to cut the crap. It's hard to win in NY when the players have an agenda that opposes team ball. You want to blame Phil go ahead blame him but the true of the situation is the Knicks sucked well before Phil got here. Phil knows even if the Knicks make the playoffs there absolutely no chance they win a championship.

I don't blame Phil at all he has nothing to work with. All he has been doing is increasing the talent pool and you guys can't handle it. I am so convinced the majority of the win now fans will **** shyt up. The Knicks future lies in the draft. Think Patrick Ewing and Mark Jackson that is when it got exciting for the Knicks. Think KP with Ball you guys aren't seeing the big picture.

Scottie Pippen come out the wood works don't know shyt about the Knicks situation probably still pissed Kukoc took the last shot.

SO phil knows the best way is to build is through the draft but yet he continues to construct win now teams that fail. SO basically he is succeeding because he is so bad at his job that his poor performance is roster construction is leading to great draft position.

Yes he knows it's best to build through the draft. And most fans that follow the knives know they had one sinking first round pick the first three years he was here. Guess he should have just tried to build through the draft and psychotic Melo fans would have really respected that.

Can't make this sheeeit up

He accidentally tanks and gets praise for it. Are you suggesting he wasn't trying to win this year, last year or the year before when his team ended up in the lottery?

Do you always intentionally misquote people and put words in their mouths? Because I don't think I said anything like that. I said he wanted to build through the draft but did't have a way to do it since he didn't have first round draft picks. Then I said no matter what he did in that situation Melo fans like you would find fault with it because it's kinda what you do.

no ones a melo fan, were just not blaming him for putting together a garbage roster

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Blame game. Everyone needs to cut the crap. It's hard to win in NY when the players have an agenda that opposes team ball. You want to blame Phil go ahead blame him but the true of the situation is the Knicks sucked well before Phil got here. Phil knows even if the Knicks make the playoffs there absolutely no chance they win a championship.

I don't blame Phil at all he has nothing to work with. All he has been doing is increasing the talent pool and you guys can't handle it. I am so convinced the majority of the win now fans will **** shyt up. The Knicks future lies in the draft. Think Patrick Ewing and Mark Jackson that is when it got exciting for the Knicks. Think KP with Ball you guys aren't seeing the big picture.

Scottie Pippen come out the wood works don't know shyt about the Knicks situation probably still pissed Kukoc took the last shot.

SO phil knows the best way is to build is through the draft but yet he continues to construct win now teams that fail. SO basically he is succeeding because he is so bad at his job that his poor performance is roster construction is leading to great draft position.

Yes he knows it's best to build through the draft. And most fans that follow the knives know they had one sinking first round pick the first three years he was here. Guess he should have just tried to build through the draft and psychotic Melo fans would have really respected that.

Can't make this sheeeit up

He accidentally tanks and gets praise for it. Are you suggesting he wasn't trying to win this year, last year or the year before when his team ended up in the lottery?

Do you always intentionally misquote people and put words in their mouths? Because I don't think I said anything like that. I said he wanted to build through the draft but did't have a way to do it since he didn't have first round draft picks. Then I said no matter what he did in that situation Melo fans like you would find fault with it because it's kinda what you do.

no ones a melo fan, were just not blaming him for putting together a garbage roster

Melo is the STAR of the roster and should've done a better job of leading. For a Melo Team to be this bad what does that say about his impact? It says to me he's a net negative in terms of his impact. If this is the best he can do we don't need him.