Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...

Those guys actually did it in a way that helped their teams win though (efficient scoring and/or a strong impact on both ends of the court). How many games these past years have we won where Melo scored 30 to 40? Those guys also could do this and pile up the assists - they weren't neglecting their teammates.
Harden gets 30 to 40 with remarkable efficiency due to his FT shooting. Westbrook and Kobe were able to get 30 to 40 with reasonably good efficiency and still save enough energy for outstanding defense and they were good at setting their teammates up. (And I shouldn't even need to explain MJ.)
The concern with Melo is that when he talks about a reduced role on offense, he's probably thinking taking 18 shots a game instead of 20. I've never seen him take a seriously reduced role. The best thing he could do would be take 12 or 13 high quality shots a game and then use his passing skills to improve his teammates, and save his energy for defense. He actually can be an excellent passer and good defender when he wants to be. The problem is not with his skills - it's his approach to the game. This hasn't changed in the past 14 years.

Well we can compare rosters position for position, you really want o go there???

Melo has had enough all-stars, award-winning teammates (DPOY, MVP candidate) that he should have been able to do much better than he has. Of course teammates matter but no, I will not say this is 100% due to his teammates or even close to that. Teammates can never be an excuse for poor shot selection and poor defense. As long as you have guys who can make a layup you should not be chucking off-balance mid range shots with 15 left on the shot clock.

????..Who, name them!!!

Are you serious? Are you actually watching? Billups, Stoudemire, Tyson, Iverson. Most teams don't have two all-stars but he has had an all-star teammate many seasons. And he's had plenty of competent non-all-star teammates too. He's had enough support that if he actually used his skill set intelligently (on both ends of the court), his teams would have done much better than .300 or so in the playoffs and .500 in the regular season. (I'm just estimating the career winning percentages.) He's had a max contract skill set with a poor mindset his whole career.

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...

wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.

Yet another one of your silly post out of the rafters to drop on us..I would respond thoughtfully but you don't reciprocate so I won't waste my time...

actually, funny you say that. the last time you said that to me, and i forget which thread it was now, but it was like a week ago? i responded directly to your post and what a surprise, you never answered. so maybe you should heed your own advice and holier than thou attitude.

and to be honest, if you "responded thoughtfully" (which btw is something you never do) you would be saying something negative about melo. so instead of doing that, you just deflect, to cover your own melo-loving ass. it's cool, we all see it man.

EnySpree wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...

wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.

Yet another one of your silly post out of the rafters to drop on us..I would respond thoughtfully but you don't reciprocate so I won't waste my time...

Nothing silly about it. Its basically Melos career in a nutshell. It's the reason why he's never won much. I like Melo but I'm not gonna be mindless with it. It's time to move on from this not spend time arguing about it.

I find it ironic when someone comes to a discussion board to tell everyone, "I would respond thought fully but I'm not going to waste my time." It's kind of like joining a gym just for the food and saying "I would use the exercise equipment but I'm not going to waste my time"

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...

Those guys actually did it in a way that helped their teams win though (efficient scoring and/or a strong impact on both ends of the court). How many games these past years have we won where Melo scored 30 to 40? Those guys also could do this and pile up the assists - they weren't neglecting their teammates.
Harden gets 30 to 40 with remarkable efficiency due to his FT shooting. Westbrook and Kobe were able to get 30 to 40 with reasonably good efficiency and still save enough energy for outstanding defense and they were good at setting their teammates up. (And I shouldn't even need to explain MJ.)
The concern with Melo is that when he talks about a reduced role on offense, he's probably thinking taking 18 shots a game instead of 20. I've never seen him take a seriously reduced role. The best thing he could do would be take 12 or 13 high quality shots a game and then use his passing skills to improve his teammates, and save his energy for defense. He actually can be an excellent passer and good defender when he wants to be. The problem is not with his skills - it's his approach to the game. This hasn't changed in the past 14 years.

Well we can compare rosters position for position, you really want o go there???

Melo has had enough all-stars, award-winning teammates (DPOY, MVP candidate) that he should have been able to do much better than he has. Of course teammates matter but no, I will not say this is 100% due to his teammates or even close to that. Teammates can never be an excuse for poor shot selection and poor defense. As long as you have guys who can make a layup you should not be chucking off-balance mid range shots with 15 left on the shot clock.

????..Who, name them!!!

Are you serious? Are you actually watching? Billups, Stoudemire, Tyson, Iverson. Most teams don't have two all-stars but he has had an all-star teammate many seasons. And he's had plenty of competent non-all-star teammates too. He's had enough support that if he actually used his skill set intelligently (on both ends of the court), his teams would have done much better than .300 or so in the playoffs and .500 in the regular season. (I'm just estimating the career winning percentages.) He's had a max contract skill set with a poor mindset his whole career.

Is this a joke?

nyk4ever wrote:

holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...

wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.

Not fair to compare players that play two completely different position.

Plus, if you look at Hardens career stats, you will see his Poins, Ast and rebounds have gone up every year since he has been with Houston so I wouldn't give MDA to much credit for his success.

holfresh wrote:Funny thing is that you guys don't think KP on on deck for the onslaught...Knick fans...

this thread and then that post was so very predictable. Every time Melo is in discussion and viewed in a negative way, it's mere moments when you will deflect to posting about KP somehow. I knew it would happen as soon as I read the opening post.

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Funny thing is that you guys don't think KP on on deck for the onslaught...Knick fans...

this thread and then that post was so very predictable. Every time Melo is in discussion and viewed in a negative way, it's mere moments when you will deflect to posting about KP somehow. I knew it would happen as soon as I read the opening post.

Clearly Melo and Rose is being blamed for the way KP is playing..Are you denying that???..Let's put it all out there...

The way KP is playing? KP has been fantastic for a 2nd year player, age 21. If your expectations are superstar level player right now, that's your problem. Melo and Rose should be held to a higher standard than KP at this point. KP is 21 and just learning the NBA game.

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Funny thing is that you guys don't think KP on on deck for the onslaught...Knick fans...

this thread and then that post was so very predictable. Every time Melo is in discussion and viewed in a negative way, it's mere moments when you will deflect to posting about KP somehow. I knew it would happen as soon as I read the opening post.

Clearly Melo and Rose is being blamed for the way KP is playing..Are you denying that???..Let's put it all out there...

The way KP is playing? KP has been fantastic for a 2nd year player, age 21. If your expectations are superstar level player right now, that's your problem. Melo and Rose should be held to a higher standard than KP at this point. KP is 21 and just learning the NBA game.

Maybe you are having some reading problems...Where have I compared Melo and Rose to KP...KP is not as good and Melo and Rose..I wouldn't make that comparison...

Nalod wrote:Ewing walked out on us.
Ewing should have left after 1996. WE should have traded him when Nellie came on board. We wanted to run and Ewing was not having any of it. For him to start the break means he could not finish and Patrick was not having any part of him not able to put up good numbers in a contract year.
I too was addicted to Ewing and could not imagine life without him!!! Heaven forbid we lost him for nothing. Then we continued to build around him trading picks for filler. Dispite that our 1999 team was pretty good but it was too late by then to move him for anything.

Lets not romanticize too much Ewing as some innocent flower that the media picked on. Yeah, he was a warrior and a great player. The huge ego fueled his greatness, but it also fueled his demise in NY.

Ewing was a NY treasure...He took the franchise to a place it hadnt been in 2 decades..he had an inflated view of himself, yes...It could have been handled differently...The fact that he is still on the outs is insane...