EnySpree wrote:This is just a way to bash the Knicks. Fuck Espn... you mean Sacramento isn't worse? The Bucks? Minnesota? Brooklyn? Philly? Denver? Pelicans? Detroit? Charlotte?

Those that agree with ESPN Shame on you! All this self hate is sickening.... don't flip it back on our management. Every team I mentioned are just as **** faced as we are if not worse. Fuck ESPN!!!

Take a different spin on it

How many player on other teams active rosters would be instant starters on the Knicks

How many players on the Knicks would be current starters on every other franchise in the league

How many players from other teams SECOND and THIRD UNITS would be instant starters on the Knicks

Any team with a legit established franchise player is INSTANTLY in a better position than the current Knicks.

Once you get into the bottom 5, who cares if you are just a little better than one of the bottom 5 floor scrapers?

The Knicks have a bad owner who seems like both an idiot and a jerk. Some teams at least their owner is only one of the two.

The Knicks have an aging GM with no previous experience who doesn't seem to put in the hard work and long hours to do a job he's clearly not prepared for and is forcing an offense no one wants onto the team

The Knicks have a "star player" who would rather sell cologne or shoes or handbags or whatever the hell else instead of winning basketball games. He refuses to play team ball, is a coach killer and simply says stupid thing after stupid thing in public.

If someone is ****ting on the Knicks, it's because the Knicks are knee deep in **** already.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This is just a way to bash the Knicks. Fuck Espn... you mean Sacramento isn't worse? The Bucks? Minnesota? Brooklyn? Philly? Denver? Pelicans? Detroit? Charlotte?

Those that agree with ESPN Shame on you! All this self hate is sickening.... don't flip it back on our management. Every team I mentioned are just as **** faced as we are if not worse. Fuck ESPN!!!

The Knicks are bottom 25. I haven't heard any analyst speak highly of the NY front office. It will be interesting to see what the write ups are for the bottom 5. I thought Chicago had a really bad offseason and seems lost but I am a bit surprised they are as low as they are. Looking at this,

we asked the voters to rate each team's front-office management on its guidance and leadership in terms of how it affects overall on-court success, both in the short and long term.

you would rank the Knicks higher than those teams with the current front office? I don't see it.

So Brooklyn should be ranked higher? They don't have a pick this year and they are the worse team I the nba. They gave up all their picks... they still have more to give up in the next few years. Garbage. Don't give me that bull**** that you don't see it. The Knicks are bad but flat out #30? That's just pure hate and self hate

The criteria includes the long term. I think the Nets are trying to do it right with Marks and Atkinson. I would guess that is why they are higher up. I don't think the long term outlook is that good for the current Knicks management team.

Why is the Nets outlook better tho? I don't really see how they have a better near term nor long term outlook than the Knicks who have 3 picks in this draft and all their picks going forward and already have some legit talent in place. Literally a couple of good players added in the draft or FA and the Knicks would jump many places higher than they are now. Brooklyn has fewer options to improve and are even lower than the Knicks IMO.

The Nets have three picks as well. But I think it is more about a management/coach/ownership team working together and being on the same page. The Nets are committed to rebuilding and roles in the management/coaching team are defined.

I just don't see how the Nets are in a better position than the Knicks. Dolan is allowing Phil and his team to do what they want. As far as I can see Phil, Mills, Houston, Jeff, Rambis, Gaines etc are all on the same page. The main issue now is Roster makeup. Both teams are at the bottom right now and actually in a similar position. I just think it's a reach to put them above the Knicks.

The Nets benefit from low expectations and the players are pretty much just happy to be here so there's not much reason for any turmoil or drama. They're largely ignored as a franchise.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This is just a way to bash the Knicks. Fuck Espn... you mean Sacramento isn't worse? The Bucks? Minnesota? Brooklyn? Philly? Denver? Pelicans? Detroit? Charlotte?

Those that agree with ESPN Shame on you! All this self hate is sickening.... don't flip it back on our management. Every team I mentioned are just as **** faced as we are if not worse. Fuck ESPN!!!

The Knicks are bottom 25. I haven't heard any analyst speak highly of the NY front office. It will be interesting to see what the write ups are for the bottom 5. I thought Chicago had a really bad offseason and seems lost but I am a bit surprised they are as low as they are. Looking at this,

we asked the voters to rate each team's front-office management on its guidance and leadership in terms of how it affects overall on-court success, both in the short and long term.

you would rank the Knicks higher than those teams with the current front office? I don't see it.

So Brooklyn should be ranked higher? They don't have a pick this year and they are the worse team I the nba. They gave up all their picks... they still have more to give up in the next few years. Garbage. Don't give me that bull**** that you don't see it. The Knicks are bad but flat out #30? That's just pure hate and self hate

The criteria includes the long term. I think the Nets are trying to do it right with Marks and Atkinson. I would guess that is why they are higher up. I don't think the long term outlook is that good for the current Knicks management team.

Why is the Nets outlook better tho? I don't really see how they have a better near term nor long term outlook than the Knicks who have 3 picks in this draft and all their picks going forward and already have some legit talent in place. Literally a couple of good players added in the draft or FA and the Knicks would jump many places higher than they are now. Brooklyn has fewer options to improve and are even lower than the Knicks IMO.

The Nets have three picks as well. But I think it is more about a management/coach/ownership team working together and being on the same page. The Nets are committed to rebuilding and roles in the management/coaching team are defined.

I just don't see how the Nets are in a better position than the Knicks. Dolan is allowing Phil and his team to do what they want. As far as I can see Phil, Mills, Houston, Jeff, Rambis, Gaines etc are all on the same page. The main issue now is Roster makeup. Both teams are at the bottom right now and actually in a similar position. I just think it's a reach to put them above the Knicks.

The Nets benefit from low expectations and the players are pretty much just happy to be here so there's not much reason for any turmoil or drama. They're largely ignored as a franchise.

Do you really think Phil, Mills, Jeff - that they're all on the same page?

I don't buy it.

Phil has, to outtward appearances, forced the triangle on Jeff.

I think the only page they're all on is the we're in this sh!t hole together.

TripleThreat wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This is just a way to bash the Knicks. Fuck Espn... you mean Sacramento isn't worse? The Bucks? Minnesota? Brooklyn? Philly? Denver? Pelicans? Detroit? Charlotte?

Those that agree with ESPN Shame on you! All this self hate is sickening.... don't flip it back on our management. Every team I mentioned are just as **** faced as we are if not worse. Fuck ESPN!!!

Take a different spin on it

How many player on other teams active rosters would be instant starters on the Knicks

How many players on the Knicks would be current starters on every other franchise in the league

How many players from other teams SECOND and THIRD UNITS would be instant starters on the Knicks

Any team with a legit established franchise player is INSTANTLY in a better position than the current Knicks.

Once you get into the bottom 5, who cares if you are just a little better than one of the bottom 5 floor scrapers?

The Knicks have a bad owner who seems like both an idiot and a jerk. Some teams at least their owner is only one of the two.

The Knicks have an aging GM with no previous experience who doesn't seem to put in the hard work and long hours to do a job he's clearly not prepared for and is forcing an offense no one wants onto the team

The Knicks have a "star player" who would rather sell cologne or shoes or handbags or whatever the hell else instead of winning basketball games. He refuses to play team ball, is a coach killer and simply says stupid thing after stupid thing in public.

If someone is ****ting on the Knicks, it's because the Knicks are knee deep in **** already.

I'm not playing that stupid game. Play that game with any bad team in the league and get the same story. Gthoh

EnySpree wrote:

franco12 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This is just a way to bash the Knicks. Fuck Espn... you mean Sacramento isn't worse? The Bucks? Minnesota? Brooklyn? Philly? Denver? Pelicans? Detroit? Charlotte?

Those that agree with ESPN Shame on you! All this self hate is sickening.... don't flip it back on our management. Every team I mentioned are just as **** faced as we are if not worse. Fuck ESPN!!!

The Knicks are bottom 25. I haven't heard any analyst speak highly of the NY front office. It will be interesting to see what the write ups are for the bottom 5. I thought Chicago had a really bad offseason and seems lost but I am a bit surprised they are as low as they are. Looking at this,

we asked the voters to rate each team's front-office management on its guidance and leadership in terms of how it affects overall on-court success, both in the short and long term.

you would rank the Knicks higher than those teams with the current front office? I don't see it.

So Brooklyn should be ranked higher? They don't have a pick this year and they are the worse team I the nba. They gave up all their picks... they still have more to give up in the next few years. Garbage. Don't give me that bull**** that you don't see it. The Knicks are bad but flat out #30? That's just pure hate and self hate

The criteria includes the long term. I think the Nets are trying to do it right with Marks and Atkinson. I would guess that is why they are higher up. I don't think the long term outlook is that good for the current Knicks management team.

Why is the Nets outlook better tho? I don't really see how they have a better near term nor long term outlook than the Knicks who have 3 picks in this draft and all their picks going forward and already have some legit talent in place. Literally a couple of good players added in the draft or FA and the Knicks would jump many places higher than they are now. Brooklyn has fewer options to improve and are even lower than the Knicks IMO.

The Nets have three picks as well. But I think it is more about a management/coach/ownership team working together and being on the same page. The Nets are committed to rebuilding and roles in the management/coaching team are defined.

I just don't see how the Nets are in a better position than the Knicks. Dolan is allowing Phil and his team to do what they want. As far as I can see Phil, Mills, Houston, Jeff, Rambis, Gaines etc are all on the same page. The main issue now is Roster makeup. Both teams are at the bottom right now and actually in a similar position. I just think it's a reach to put them above the Knicks.

The Nets benefit from low expectations and the players are pretty much just happy to be here so there's not much reason for any turmoil or drama. They're largely ignored as a franchise.

Do you really think Phil, Mills, Jeff - that they're all on the same page?

I don't buy it.

Phil has, to outtward appearances, forced the triangle on Jeff.

I think the only page they're all on is the we're in this sh!t hole together.

They all had meetings before at agreements were made Terry are absolutely on the same page. Jeff till the job knowing Phil wanted him to run the triangle. Cut the bull****. Dolan and Phil agreed to allow Mills to stay ave the two have been side by side thus while time. Cut the bullshir

Just watching the team play it doesn't look like Jeff is being forced to do something he doesn't want to do. He has the team doing a little more Triangle but still has his imprint on the way they run offense. Jeff has taken on the challenge of giving Phil what he wants and with better talent I expect Jeff to be successful here.

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

franco12 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This is just a way to bash the Knicks. Fuck Espn... you mean Sacramento isn't worse? The Bucks? Minnesota? Brooklyn? Philly? Denver? Pelicans? Detroit? Charlotte?

Those that agree with ESPN Shame on you! All this self hate is sickening.... don't flip it back on our management. Every team I mentioned are just as **** faced as we are if not worse. Fuck ESPN!!!

The Knicks are bottom 25. I haven't heard any analyst speak highly of the NY front office. It will be interesting to see what the write ups are for the bottom 5. I thought Chicago had a really bad offseason and seems lost but I am a bit surprised they are as low as they are. Looking at this,

we asked the voters to rate each team's front-office management on its guidance and leadership in terms of how it affects overall on-court success, both in the short and long term.

you would rank the Knicks higher than those teams with the current front office? I don't see it.

So Brooklyn should be ranked higher? They don't have a pick this year and they are the worse team I the nba. They gave up all their picks... they still have more to give up in the next few years. Garbage. Don't give me that bull**** that you don't see it. The Knicks are bad but flat out #30? That's just pure hate and self hate

The criteria includes the long term. I think the Nets are trying to do it right with Marks and Atkinson. I would guess that is why they are higher up. I don't think the long term outlook is that good for the current Knicks management team.

Why is the Nets outlook better tho? I don't really see how they have a better near term nor long term outlook than the Knicks who have 3 picks in this draft and all their picks going forward and already have some legit talent in place. Literally a couple of good players added in the draft or FA and the Knicks would jump many places higher than they are now. Brooklyn has fewer options to improve and are even lower than the Knicks IMO.

The Nets have three picks as well. But I think it is more about a management/coach/ownership team working together and being on the same page. The Nets are committed to rebuilding and roles in the management/coaching team are defined.

I just don't see how the Nets are in a better position than the Knicks. Dolan is allowing Phil and his team to do what they want. As far as I can see Phil, Mills, Houston, Jeff, Rambis, Gaines etc are all on the same page. The main issue now is Roster makeup. Both teams are at the bottom right now and actually in a similar position. I just think it's a reach to put them above the Knicks.

The Nets benefit from low expectations and the players are pretty much just happy to be here so there's not much reason for any turmoil or drama. They're largely ignored as a franchise.

L
Do you really think Phil, Mills, Jeff - that they're all on the same page?

I don't buy it.

Phil has, to outtward appearances, forced the triangle on Jeff.

I think the only page they're all on is the we're in this sh!t hole together.

They all had meetings before at agreements were made Terry are absolutely on the same page. Jeff till the job knowing Phil wanted him to run the triangle. Cut the bull****. Dolan and Phil agreed to allow Mills to stay ave the two have been side by side thus while time. Cut the bullshir

Just watching the team play it doesn't look like Jeff is being forced to do something he doesn't want to do. He has the team doing a little more Triangle but still has his imprint on the way they run offense. Jeff has taken on the challenge of giving Phil what he wants and with better talent I expect Jeff to be successful here.

Nix your in major denial..WHY the hell would JH run a system he knows little to nothing about, he said it himself. Maybe you should watch his show after the losses.. The only reason Jeff was hired was because of his demeanor. Phi brought in a total of 3 candidates, the 1st 2 was to please the media, fans, and NBA. His circle consist of about 5 people..

Mills and Houston are not phils people, those are Dolans people, they were forced on him. Just remember they were here before phil,just like rambis was forced on JH. Everything looks peachy in public for the media and a few fans, but have you ever heard MILLS (the damn GM) speak without phil by his side. you're going to be hard press to find a coach that would turned down a chance to coach the KNICKS..

Under Phil the knicks have been the 2nd to 3rd worst team in the league, and all you keep talking about is draft picks like 5 labrons are on deck. No direction, waiving players you just signed, trading for players that don't fit, trading your own draft picks after one yr and preaching a out dated system that has produced 3 horrendus seasons in a row. If KP came in the league like Labron and took his team to the next level, then you can pitty pat on phils back.

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The knicks have Kristaps and Willy..a tip pick coming... decent cap space and leverage for trades and the Nets are in a better situation? Disgusting

Had cap space last yr, had kp last yr, and we are on pace to have the same finish as last yr despite a massive overhaul to the roster

there is literally no reason the knicks should be as bad as we are

That's fine and dandy...

But nobody is going to tell me the nets are in a better situation than us. Fuck espn

the nets fired the guy who made that asinine trade that set them back, got some solid role players in the mean time, and purged there roster of bloated contracts..

So did the Knicks but Phil is an idiot because of it. The nets do it and they are as right as rain

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

franco12 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This is just a way to bash the Knicks. Fuck Espn... you mean Sacramento isn't worse? The Bucks? Minnesota? Brooklyn? Philly? Denver? Pelicans? Detroit? Charlotte?

Those that agree with ESPN Shame on you! All this self hate is sickening.... don't flip it back on our management. Every team I mentioned are just as **** faced as we are if not worse. Fuck ESPN!!!

The Knicks are bottom 25. I haven't heard any analyst speak highly of the NY front office. It will be interesting to see what the write ups are for the bottom 5. I thought Chicago had a really bad offseason and seems lost but I am a bit surprised they are as low as they are. Looking at this,

we asked the voters to rate each team's front-office management on its guidance and leadership in terms of how it affects overall on-court success, both in the short and long term.

you would rank the Knicks higher than those teams with the current front office? I don't see it.

So Brooklyn should be ranked higher? They don't have a pick this year and they are the worse team I the nba. They gave up all their picks... they still have more to give up in the next few years. Garbage. Don't give me that bull**** that you don't see it. The Knicks are bad but flat out #30? That's just pure hate and self hate

The criteria includes the long term. I think the Nets are trying to do it right with Marks and Atkinson. I would guess that is why they are higher up. I don't think the long term outlook is that good for the current Knicks management team.

Why is the Nets outlook better tho? I don't really see how they have a better near term nor long term outlook than the Knicks who have 3 picks in this draft and all their picks going forward and already have some legit talent in place. Literally a couple of good players added in the draft or FA and the Knicks would jump many places higher than they are now. Brooklyn has fewer options to improve and are even lower than the Knicks IMO.

The Nets have three picks as well. But I think it is more about a management/coach/ownership team working together and being on the same page. The Nets are committed to rebuilding and roles in the management/coaching team are defined.

I just don't see how the Nets are in a better position than the Knicks. Dolan is allowing Phil and his team to do what they want. As far as I can see Phil, Mills, Houston, Jeff, Rambis, Gaines etc are all on the same page. The main issue now is Roster makeup. Both teams are at the bottom right now and actually in a similar position. I just think it's a reach to put them above the Knicks.

The Nets benefit from low expectations and the players are pretty much just happy to be here so there's not much reason for any turmoil or drama. They're largely ignored as a franchise.

L
Do you really think Phil, Mills, Jeff - that they're all on the same page?

I don't buy it.

Phil has, to outtward appearances, forced the triangle on Jeff.

I think the only page they're all on is the we're in this sh!t hole together.

They all had meetings before at agreements were made Terry are absolutely on the same page. Jeff till the job knowing Phil wanted him to run the triangle. Cut the bull****. Dolan and Phil agreed to allow Mills to stay ave the two have been side by side thus while time. Cut the bullshir

Just watching the team play it doesn't look like Jeff is being forced to do something he doesn't want to do. He has the team doing a little more Triangle but still has his imprint on the way they run offense. Jeff has taken on the challenge of giving Phil what he wants and with better talent I expect Jeff to be successful here.

Nix your in major denial..WHY the hell would JH run a system he knows little to nothing about, he said it himself. Maybe you should watch his show after the losses.. The only reason Jeff was hired was because of his demeanor. Phi brought in a total of 3 candidates, the 1st 2 was to please the media, fans, and NBA. His circle consist of about 5 people..

Mills and Houston are not phils people, those are Dolans people, they were forced on him. Just remember they were here before phil,just like rambis was forced on JH. Everything looks peachy in public for the media and a few fans, but have you ever heard MILLS (the damn GM) speak without phil by his side. you're going to be hard press to find a coach that would turned down a chance to coach the KNICKS..

Under Phil the knicks have been the 2nd to 3rd worst team in the league, and all you keep talking about is draft picks like 5 labrons are on deck. No direction, waiving players you just signed, trading for players that don't fit, trading your own draft picks after one yr and preaching a out dated system that has produced 3 horrendus seasons in a row. If KP came in the league like Labron and took his team to the next level, then you can pitty pat on phils back.

Jeff came here AGREEING to learn the Triangle and try to modernize it. He tried to ease it in over the season but that didn't really take in part because Key players didn't really buy into learning it. The players figured they could just fluff it and simply run PnR and Jeff pretty much only had them run Triangle out of dead ball situations. In the end he now feels they will need to take the Triangle stuff more seriously if that is going to be the base of the offense. From there he can still add to the system things he sees are necessary.

Jeff may not have been familiar with the Triangle at the start of the year but i'm pretty sure he knows a LOT more now. I've said this from day one that there is a LOT more to the Triangle Offense than the Side Triangle and most of that stuff would not be recognizable to the Average Viewers or even most of the Media. People get so stuck on the Side Triangle that they don't know JACK about the rest of the offense. Jeff is no doubt using the other options in the System that have nothing to do with the Side Triangle. It's still very organized Team Ball but it's not as recognizable as what most think the offense is all about.

There are plays with PnR, Double and Triple Screens, Drag Screens, Pin Downs, 3 out, 4 out, and other various looks with different cuts and screens. The longer Jeff gets familiar with all that other stuff he will find plenty of things to run besides just the Side Triangle. I believe that's what he's doing. Jeff doesn't want the team to play slow and predictable and the other Plays in the Triangle Offense can give him the variety he wants and the speed he wants them to play with but with the structure Phil wants.

It doesnt matter. This article and people here that are gloating about it just add to the noise. There's definitely a section of fans that want to see Phil gone, they want a new GM and coach and more starfukking and they think we should be "competing for the playoffs" with Melo. Some things never change.

People are impatient and some of them have an unrealistic assessment of Melo's abilities. Six years of sucking and blaming everyone has taught them that they are on the right course. 😁 They find whatever they can on the Internet that puts the blame on other people and they pile on. This is really sad, it's Monday morning quarterbacking based on speculation by the media. We are not going to change how people feel, so let them waddle in their miserable crap.

The core reason these people are mad at Phil is because he tweeted the truth that Melo holds the ball too much. Everything else has been added on to bolster their case and repeated ad nauseum till they started to beleive the speculative journalism they have been peddling.

The only way they would be happy is this:
Isiah as GM
Woody as Coach
Melo as "STAR"
And system basketball where the system is "Dump it to Melo"

Then we would still be a bottom dweller franchise and they would be blaming the players around Melo and Phil for all the long term damage he did to the team, blah blah blah...

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The knicks have Kristaps and Willy..a tip pick coming... decent cap space and leverage for trades and the Nets are in a better situation? Disgusting

Had cap space last yr, had kp last yr, and we are on pace to have the same finish as last yr despite a massive overhaul to the roster

there is literally no reason the knicks should be as bad as we are

That's fine and dandy...

But nobody is going to tell me the nets are in a better situation than us. Fuck espn

the nets fired the guy who made that asinine trade that set them back, got some solid role players in the mean time, and purged there roster of bloated contracts..

So did the Knicks but Phil is an idiot because of it. The nets do it and they are as right as rain

dude phil got rid of expiring contracts (Tyson, amare, shump) and actually added (calderone)

EnySpree wrote:They deserve to be at the bottom but you aren't going to rank the nets and sactown ahead of the Knicks like it's all good. That's straight bull**** trolling.

So 30 instead of 28 or so makes it trolling? That's just a small difference in judgment. If there was a team that should be more like 15 and was put at 30, I'd understand calling that trolling but calling a tiny disagreement trolling is ridiculous.

KnicksFE wrote:

matt wrote:I would say the Kings are the only worse management in the NBA. Knicks have a better player situation than both the Nets and Kings, but I'd take the Nets FO over the Knicks any day of the week.

I must agree with this. Amen.