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smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Go look at your list again, you are crazy if you don't think there's a whole heap of top tier talent there. If damn near all of them are on lottery teams how much of a impact are they having. You still gotta have that leadership, I'm not saying these players are not useful, there just not franchise changers. Some of them are on teams that are just too young, because they're constantly in the lottery every yr. The draft to me is about taking the right player not the best, and the right player may not be in the top 10, he maybe 15(kawhi leonard) 20 (rondo) 30(jimmy butler) you praise phil for not trading away future picks but he traded all of our 1st round picks we had..shump#7, Grant,#19 THJ #24. Didn't even give those guys a chance to develop, it's just so tough to build through the draft. You got the rookie wall, sophomore slumps, learning a system, changing coaches, changing teammates..Losing is alway brings massive changes. Phil is not here for 3, 4, 5 more yrs, JH is not on phils bench learning the system being groom like Riley Did his coaches, he's on his own bench being taught by rambis. He's being taught by a guy who was demoted.. Even phil championship laker rosters, all put together via trades an FA Including Kobe who was traded for on draft day. Why you think they had to start the D league,a big part was because these kids were just not ready I wouldn't really hold up our traded drafted players as any kind of indictment of what Phil is doing. None of them looks like an impact player so what's the big whup that we moved on from them? As for being tough to build thru the draft, no one is suggesting that the entire plan is to only use Drafted Players. The idea is to draft well and let those players form a base to build upon. Then you can add players via Free Agency or Trades. However, it should start from the Draft and see what develops. I'm reading all of the posts you've been making this season since we've been pretty much sure to be in the lottery and I have yet to read what you presume is the alternative to this team using the Draft. The entire point is to use the draft and hopefully find that IMPACT player or two that will lift the team. We've been fortunate that KP and Willy look as good as they have. But what better option is there besides the Draft at this point??? Thats why i said it's about drafting the right player, not the most talented, making the right trades, and not dumping players because they don't fit, and more importantly you got give it time. Why are we flipping the roster ever year, chemistry doesn't happen overnight. Other than KP, phil has given up on his own picks. I guess your hoping that it doesn't do it again. Your whole thing is, get rid of melo and rose, and were on our way to the promise land. We don't have stars lined up to sign here, even when have cap space The one thing you have not heard me say, is blow up the roster, I would blow up the system You're argument makes no sense, with regards to apparently not being able to rebuild via the draft- look all the top teams- they nearly all got most of their talent via the draft!!!! If you decide to not rebuild via the draft, you then have to hope the top tier talent develops on another team, but in such a way that their current team, for some reason, doesn't want to keep them, and will trade them for a 1st rounder, which for some reason they value even though (according to you) are worthless. Which players are you trading for? Give me some examples. Also give me some examples of which franchise changing players you are signing in the offseason. Top tier teams like Boston, Toronto did not succeed until they used Free agency to get their impact player. Ie. IT and Lowery. Unless you count the ones that hit Lotto like GS and Cleveland. But think everyone is somewhat right. Knicks1248 is pointing out the draft is not a sure thing. Many good players but a lot more overhyped players that just don't pan out. That and that if we are to truly rebuild, we need a new system that is not so antiquated, FA friendly and not led by a dinosaur who will likely be gone in a couple of years (like his system). Also makes a great point on Phil giving up on former 1st Round picks. 2 who are starters and contributing to winning systems. However, don't think you can dismiss the draft, as it is the only way to get free new young assets. Unfortunately we are such a mess that it is hard to trade for young proven players or sign FA's. No one wants to come here. Only way to go forward is to get a young mind as coach and GM who will be here for 10 years. Ie. Boston. Build through draft and FA. Even if it means picking up character Vets for minimum to teach young guys. Rose and Melo are tough decisions. I don't like Rose's court vision, basketball IQ but how many players can drive like he does? Think price will be the determinant for me. Melo is my favorite player, surprise, but think his age, knees and Phil's mind games have turned him into a shadow of his former self. Think it's best for him and Knicks if he is traded. Problem will be, his Pride to turn things around and the little other teams will offer, as he has NTC. Somewhat admire but don't understand his insistence on making it work here. Other issue for me is KP's inability to play the 4 or 5 defensively. Think it will be an issue and not sure you can improve a 7'3 guys ability to chase around quick stretch 4's. Think only position would be the 5, if he gains weight. But we have seen other players through the years have issue gaining weight. We shall see. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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