Despite what you guys might think, the Knicks are not the absolute worst team in the league. As a result, we may come away with another win or two before the season is over...Philly's next, buckle up!

I agree I don't want Melo playing 38 mpg. Cap him at 30...but the guy shot 25% last night. We've spent the entire season complaining about how he's costing us games. You can't force guys on the court to blow the game - half of them probably aren't sure they'll be here in a year. We're still only 3-7 in the last 10...

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:this thread doesnt get made if Knicks lose to Orl

There is no reality here

The problem is the Knicks are playing better! It's not a fluke that they won. This team always had the ability to win games if they simply defended better and lately the D has improved. LT being healthy makes a MASSIVE difference and now that Baker is taking BJ's minutes that's even more defense!

The schedule is not tough enough to prevent this team from winning enough games to get back into the playoffs. Nothing is guaranteed but they have a legit shot to get back in. THIS IS VERY REAL.

There seems to be some sentiment that if we arent at least in the 2nd round we should drafting in the top 3. Thats just not reality. Things like benching Melo are no realistic options. A late push certainly hurts draft position, but may help with the offseason judgements as well.

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:this thread doesnt get made if Knicks lose to Orl

There is no reality here

The problem is the Knicks are playing better! It's not a fluke that they won. This team always had the ability to win games if they simply defended better and lately the D has improved. LT being healthy makes a MASSIVE difference and now that Baker is taking BJ's minutes that's even more defense!

The schedule is not tough enough to prevent this team from winning enough games to get back into the playoffs. Nothing is guaranteed but they have a legit shot to get back in. THIS IS VERY REAL.

dude... the team playing better is not a bad thing. Making the playoffs is not a bad thing. Lance, Baker, etc... these guys playing well and winning games is not a bad thing. If the Knicks make a run good. a playoff berth is probably more attainable than a top 3 pick. Its Jeff's job to get the team playing well. If this pumps up the value of Rose/Melo than fine. Makes for some interesting choices in the offseason but whatever.

There seems to be some sentiment that if we arent at least in the 2nd round we should drafting in the top 3. Thats just not reality. Things like benching Melo are no realistic options. A late push certainly hurts draft position, but may help with the offseason judgements as well.

I was simply clarifying the fact that this win was not a flash in the pan and the possibility of this team winning is very real.

I don't know about your claim that some feel only the 2nd rd is of any value. The thing is the Knicks where just 2 losses from a top five spot in the Lottery. That is why so many are sighing now. This team was CLOSER to a top 5 pick than the Playoffs.

KP, Willy etc wouldn't be permanently damaged by losing. Lots of young players had to go thru tough seasons before their team got good enough to win. Steph and Klay weren't permanently damaged by losing. At this point the Knicks MUST make the playoffs cuz they WILL win games and this can't be in vain now. PLAYOFFS OR BUST!!!

Vmart wrote:The NBA doesn't reward teams trying to make the playoffs. They reward teams trying to tank. Pushing for the last playoff spot is stupid. It's not a point of growth is Rose and Melo are the driving force behind it. If the youth movement was driving the push it would be different case.

What the Knicks do is out right stupid, management controls wins and losses players play. It's up to management to get everyone on the coaching staff in the same page and tank. This team always shoots itself in the foot and they are doing no different yet again. When does a team break the cycle of stupidity. One time they do it the walk away with KP. Tanking is a management tool and it is necessary.

I will never understand this team. They don't even know when winning is losing and losing is winning.

smackeddog wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Ultimatedramaqueens.com

Despite what you guys might think, the Knicks are not the absolute worst team in the league. As a result, we may come away with another win or two before the season is over...Philly's next, buckle up!

I agree I don't want Melo playing 38 mpg. Cap him at 30...but the guy shot 25% last night. We've spent the entire season complaining about how he's costing us games. You can't force guys on the court to blow the game - half of them probably aren't sure they'll be here in a year. We're still only 3-7 in the last 10...

Winning vs the Magic and Sixers means we drop two spots at least- those are double wins/losses because they're ahead of us in the tank standings

And the fact of the matter is they're ahead of us in the tank standings because they're worse teams than we are (or at least have been up to this point in the season).

I thrilled we have a draft pick this year and the higher it is the better, but we won't lose every game remaining. It just is what it is. I'm upset we didn't get as much effort on defense earlier in the year. I'm not going to get pissed off now that it's improving.

MaTT4281 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Ultimatedramaqueens.com

Despite what you guys might think, the Knicks are not the absolute worst team in the league. As a result, we may come away with another win or two before the season is over...Philly's next, buckle up!

I agree I don't want Melo playing 38 mpg. Cap him at 30...but the guy shot 25% last night. We've spent the entire season complaining about how he's costing us games. You can't force guys on the court to blow the game - half of them probably aren't sure they'll be here in a year. We're still only 3-7 in the last 10...

Winning vs the Magic and Sixers means we drop two spots at least- those are double wins/losses because they're ahead of us in the tank standings

And the fact of the matter is they're ahead of us in the tank standings because they're worse teams than we are (or at least have been up to this point in the season).

I thrilled we have a draft pick this year and the higher it is the better, but we won't lose every game remaining. It just is what it is. I'm upset we didn't get as much effort on defense earlier in the year. I'm not going to get pissed off now that it's improving now.

You can't get mad if the team is legitimately improving! They look like they're figuring things out and improving on D! That combined with an easier schedule means they'll win games and it's legitimately where the team is at. The Knicks simply aren't quite as bad as the record makes them look. They've had a LOT of bad losses.

I think we can kiss the high pick goodbye! Other teams are truly tanking and the Knicks are trying to win.

nixluva wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Ultimatedramaqueens.com

Despite what you guys might think, the Knicks are not the absolute worst team in the league. As a result, we may come away with another win or two before the season is over...Philly's next, buckle up!

I agree I don't want Melo playing 38 mpg. Cap him at 30...but the guy shot 25% last night. We've spent the entire season complaining about how he's costing us games. You can't force guys on the court to blow the game - half of them probably aren't sure they'll be here in a year. We're still only 3-7 in the last 10...

Winning vs the Magic and Sixers means we drop two spots at least- those are double wins/losses because they're ahead of us in the tank standings

And the fact of the matter is they're ahead of us in the tank standings because they're worse teams than we are (or at least have been up to this point in the season).

I thrilled we have a draft pick this year and the higher it is the better, but we won't lose every game remaining. It just is what it is. I'm upset we didn't get as much effort on defense earlier in the year. I'm not going to get pissed off now that it's improving now.

You can't get mad if the team is legitimately improving! They look like they're figuring things out and improving on D! That combined with an easier schedule means they'll win games and it's legitimately where the team is at. The Knicks simply aren't quite as bad as the record makes them look. They've had a LOT of bad losses.

I think we can kiss the high pick goodbye! Other teams are truly tanking and the Knicks are trying to win.

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Ultimatedramaqueens.com

Despite what you guys might think, the Knicks are not the absolute worst team in the league. As a result, we may come away with another win or two before the season is over...Philly's next, buckle up!

I agree I don't want Melo playing 38 mpg. Cap him at 30...but the guy shot 25% last night. We've spent the entire season complaining about how he's costing us games. You can't force guys on the court to blow the game - half of them probably aren't sure they'll be here in a year. We're still only 3-7 in the last 10...

Winning vs the Magic and Sixers means we drop two spots at least- those are double wins/losses because they're ahead of us in the tank standings

And the fact of the matter is they're ahead of us in the tank standings because they're worse teams than we are (or at least have been up to this point in the season).

I thrilled we have a draft pick this year and the higher it is the better, but we won't lose every game remaining. It just is what it is. I'm upset we didn't get as much effort on defense earlier in the year. I'm not going to get pissed off now that it's improving now.

You can't get mad if the team is legitimately improving! They look like they're figuring things out and improving on D! That combined with an easier schedule means they'll win games and it's legitimately where the team is at. The Knicks simply aren't quite as bad as the record makes them look. They've had a LOT of bad losses.

I think we can kiss the high pick goodbye! Other teams are truly tanking and the Knicks are trying to win.

There isnt one team that is tanking on the floor. Even Phili has always played hard under that coach. Guys should play hard. If you want to ask where was this earlier in the year that is fair. Hopefully the guys who are looked at as building blocks moving forward come through.

My point is other FRANCHISES are tanking by roster decisions. No players ever Tank. Players play to win, tho sometimes they mentally check out and stop playing as hard.

The thing is this team always had better basketball in them. Now they have more defensive effort and cohesion with LT and Baker in the mix. Just those 2 make a big difference since they hold the line and help glue the D together. This is a huge development for this roster.

nixluva wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Ultimatedramaqueens.com

Despite what you guys might think, the Knicks are not the absolute worst team in the league. As a result, we may come away with another win or two before the season is over...Philly's next, buckle up!

I agree I don't want Melo playing 38 mpg. Cap him at 30...but the guy shot 25% last night. We've spent the entire season complaining about how he's costing us games. You can't force guys on the court to blow the game - half of them probably aren't sure they'll be here in a year. We're still only 3-7 in the last 10...

Winning vs the Magic and Sixers means we drop two spots at least- those are double wins/losses because they're ahead of us in the tank standings

And the fact of the matter is they're ahead of us in the tank standings because they're worse teams than we are (or at least have been up to this point in the season).

I thrilled we have a draft pick this year and the higher it is the better, but we won't lose every game remaining. It just is what it is. I'm upset we didn't get as much effort on defense earlier in the year. I'm not going to get pissed off now that it's improving now.

You can't get mad if the team is legitimately improving! They look like they're figuring things out and improving on D! That combined with an easier schedule means they'll win games and it's legitimately where the team is at. The Knicks simply aren't quite as bad as the record makes them look. They've had a LOT of bad losses.

I think we can kiss the high pick goodbye! Other teams are truly tanking and the Knicks are trying to win.

This is fools gold. They are going to pull the same stunt the next year. Guys like Melo and Rose are not reliable. Don't kid yourself this has nothing to do with the Knicks turning it around they just played two team on the tank in Sixer and Magic. Anyway half way decent team they face the Knicks shyt their pants. When the fans want them to win these mofos lose and when the fans want them to lose for the pick these mofos win. They are a crime against humanity.

What did Oden go for another nap. Wake up Phil!! Get this shyt right. Get in that top three pick.

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I agree with this post. The only counter point I can think of is that I can think of/reach for is that if Rose can somehow rehab his value we have a chance at a decent sign and trade

I actually believe Phil will resign Rose. If this team continues to play better and makes the playoffs I expect Phil to bring Rose back. Just a hunch but I can see this happening.

I'm a little worried this ends up like Melo- forced to bid against ourselves, max deal.

I hope not. He has not earned more than a year from us.