stanleybostitch wrote:

fishmike wrote:Its a process. Every GM and franchise deals with this and these stretches. We need to build up this core and that should continue this offseason. If the goal was to win games you are right. Phil's moves have failed. However future assets remain intact so this just continues to be part of the purge.

Also Lee has been good and is a keeper. KOQ took a nice step forward this year. KP took a step forward. Willy has emerged as a promising young big.

Agree 100%. Also, Lee and KOQ are ASSETS that we can move, if needed, next year for other pieces or picks. Patience is now the key, something Phil understands. These are good times to be a Knicks fan - the future just gets brighter from here on out.

I wish other knick fans could take a step back and accept this already. This can be alot of fun if you really just sit back and enjoy this.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:Noah, done for the season. He played 46 games this year, off a year he played 29. Age 31.

Jennings, released.

Rose, about to be cut.

Meanwhile, back in reality, Robin Lopez has started every game this year, after playing all 82 for us.

We essentially traded him for nothing and an injured player who should retire.

How do you mess up this badly? And keep your job?

how badly? Lopez is not having a good year. Grant has not had a good year. What was Lopez's future with the Knicks? Was he a building block cornerstone player? Was Grant? Lopez was a stop gap, traded to bring in more firepower for Melo.

The Rose/Jennings/Noah additions where done so to give this thing a shot with Melo one more time. The downside if it failed is we lose Grant and a serviceable big. Phil keeps his job because those moves did not work out, but we continue flexible moving forward.

Its a process. Every GM and franchise deals with this and these stretches. We need to build up this core and that should continue this offseason. If the goal was to win games you are right. Phil's moves have failed. However future assets remain intact so this just continues to be part of the purge.

Also Lee has been good and is a keeper. KOQ took a nice step forward this year. KP took a step forward. Willy has emerged as a promising young big.

People are so worried about holding Phil accountable. To what end? Whats the goal? He's made mistakes. He's made some good moves. I am mostly facinated with what we see when we hand this coach a younger team with no stars to cater to. I think then it gets interesting. While Melo is still here chasing his milestones its more of Dolan's Knicks. Hopefully we see what happens next with Phil. I am good with him getting his time and chances to make mistakes, so long as they dont set us back a decade as Isiah's did.

Just one Knick fan's 2c

You use to be a credible poster. Your love for Phil and Noah has made you so ignorant.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:Noah, done for the season. He played 46 games this year, off a year he played 29. Age 31.

Jennings, released.

Rose, about to be cut.

Meanwhile, back in reality, Robin Lopez has started every game this year, after playing all 82 for us.

We essentially traded him for nothing and an injured player who should retire.

How do you mess up this badly? And keep your job?

how badly? Lopez is not having a good year. Grant has not had a good year. What was Lopez's future with the Knicks? Was he a building block cornerstone player? Was Grant? Lopez was a stop gap, traded to bring in more firepower for Melo.

The Rose/Jennings/Noah additions where done so to give this thing a shot with Melo one more time. The downside if it failed is we lose Grant and a serviceable big. Phil keeps his job because those moves did not work out, but we continue flexible moving forward.

Its a process. Every GM and franchise deals with this and these stretches. We need to build up this core and that should continue this offseason. If the goal was to win games you are right. Phil's moves have failed. However future assets remain intact so this just continues to be part of the purge.

Also Lee has been good and is a keeper. KOQ took a nice step forward this year. KP took a step forward. Willy has emerged as a promising young big.

People are so worried about holding Phil accountable. To what end? Whats the goal? He's made mistakes. He's made some good moves. I am mostly facinated with what we see when we hand this coach a younger team with no stars to cater to. I think then it gets interesting. While Melo is still here chasing his milestones its more of Dolan's Knicks. Hopefully we see what happens next with Phil. I am good with him getting his time and chances to make mistakes, so long as they dont set us back a decade as Isiah's did.

Just one Knick fan's 2c

You use to be a credible poster. Your love for Phil and Noah has made you so ignorant.

nyknickzingis wrote:He messed up the PGs he signed
Noah was a good player on paper money was bad and he came out of shape all season.

So yeah horrible offseason for himX

Let's see what he can do this summer it's a make or break season for him.

Really? You mean his medical papers?

Dude is wrong side of 30, and is starting to break down. Played no games last year, certainly appeared to be breaking down. Don't see in what world you could say Noah looked good on paper.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:Noah, done for the season. He played 46 games this year, off a year he played 29. Age 31.

Jennings, released.

Rose, about to be cut.

Meanwhile, back in reality, Robin Lopez has started every game this year, after playing all 82 for us.

We essentially traded him for nothing and an injured player who should retire.

How do you mess up this badly? And keep your job?

how badly? Lopez is not having a good year. Grant has not had a good year. What was Lopez's future with the Knicks? Was he a building block cornerstone player? Was Grant? Lopez was a stop gap, traded to bring in more firepower for Melo.

The Rose/Jennings/Noah additions where done so to give this thing a shot with Melo one more time. The downside if it failed is we lose Grant and a serviceable big. Phil keeps his job because those moves did not work out, but we continue flexible moving forward.

Its a process. Every GM and franchise deals with this and these stretches. We need to build up this core and that should continue this offseason. If the goal was to win games you are right. Phil's moves have failed. However future assets remain intact so this just continues to be part of the purge.

Also Lee has been good and is a keeper. KOQ took a nice step forward this year. KP took a step forward. Willy has emerged as a promising young big.

People are so worried about holding Phil accountable. To what end? Whats the goal? He's made mistakes. He's made some good moves. I am mostly facinated with what we see when we hand this coach a younger team with no stars to cater to. I think then it gets interesting. While Melo is still here chasing his milestones its more of Dolan's Knicks. Hopefully we see what happens next with Phil. I am good with him getting his time and chances to make mistakes, so long as they dont set us back a decade as Isiah's did.

Just one Knick fan's 2c

You use to be a credible poster. Your love for Phil and Noah has made you so ignorant.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:He messed up trying to satisfy Melo with a win now approach....... but he didn't mortgage the future by doing so. Noah is the only bad contact, but to his defense he wanted him regardless for his leadership. Rose and Jennings are of the books after this year. Lee and Lance are on cap friendly deals. We have plenty of promising young players. We have all our future picks. We have cap space....

Man up and see what's really going on

THIS!!!

Thread asks to man up. And you pull the its Melo's fault. Awesome.

Hahahaha. Amen.

WTF are you even laughing at??? You don't even have a point to argue.

Melo is the team's best player currently and so ultimately he's going to get a lot of blame. Still that's not what Enyspree was saying. The point is that Phil made an effort to put some vets around Melo and it should've worked better than it did. In the end Phil didn't do any fatal damage and the future component of the team is still moving forward. The worst you can say is Noah is an expensive backup.

What about Galloway and Grant? I thought they were part of the young foundation Phil was building around? You guys just change your argument every season the only constant is its Melo's fault not Phil's.

What do you think of Phil's not telling Hornacek to tank for the rest of the season? Seems like that goes against the rebuild plan. Maybe there is no plan.

ramtour420 wrote:Yeah, I thought Jennings was a good singing, too bad we couldn't keep him, whatever the reason I don't know. Noah and Rose were gambles that did not pan out. Rose will come off the books and free up a lot of cap space and Lopez is not needed with all the big men we have. We could have gotten more for him than cap relief tho. Maybe even a first rounder? The only real mess up is Noah. I like Phil but he really screwed this up badly.

Noah was part of a package deal to manage Rose. And Noah was a legitimate rotation version the kinds of rotation players Phil values. Enthusiasm is contagious especially coming from respected vets. You have to stop counting money. It ain't about that.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:He messed up trying to satisfy Melo with a win now approach....... but he didn't mortgage the future by doing so. Noah is the only bad contact, but to his defense he wanted him regardless for his leadership. Rose and Jennings are of the books after this year. Lee and Lance are on cap friendly deals. We have plenty of promising young players. We have all our future picks. We have cap space....

Man up and see what's really going on

THIS!!!

Thread asks to man up. And you pull the its Melo's fault. Awesome.

Hahahaha. Amen.

WTF are you even laughing at??? You don't even have a point to argue.

Melo is the team's best player currently and so ultimately he's going to get a lot of blame. Still that's not what Enyspree was saying. The point is that Phil made an effort to put some vets around Melo and it should've worked better than it did. In the end Phil didn't do any fatal damage and the future component of the team is still moving forward. The worst you can say is Noah is an expensive backup.

What about Galloway and Grant? I thought they were part of the young foundation Phil was building around? You guys just change your argument every season the only constant is its Melo's fault not Phil's.

What do you think of Phil's not telling Hornacek to tank for the rest of the season? Seems like that goes against the rebuild plan. Maybe there is no plan.

Galloway and Grant is the best you can do??? The whole idea is to keep working until you can get the right talent. Galloway was a nice UDFA find and Grant didn't workout as expected. If you draft there will be some guys that don't pan out. Are you suggesting that a GM/Prez has to have a perfect draft record???

You're pointing to the young guys that we moved on from but forgot the guys we still have that show real promise. The youth movement is inevitable but there will always have to be some vets as well. You guys are clinging to a weak argument.

fwk00 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Yeah, I thought Jennings was a good singing, too bad we couldn't keep him, whatever the reason I don't know. Noah and Rose were gambles that did not pan out. Rose will come off the books and free up a lot of cap space and Lopez is not needed with all the big men we have. We could have gotten more for him than cap relief tho. Maybe even a first rounder? The only real mess up is Noah. I like Phil but he really screwed this up badly.

Noah was part of a package deal to manage Rose. And Noah was a legitimate rotation version the kinds of rotation players Phil values. Enthusiasm is contagious especially coming from respected vets. You have to stop counting money. It ain't about that.

Nonsense..You don't give a 32 year old player coming off two years worth of injuries 17 mil per over 4 years to manage a guy on a one year contract..