nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Somehow Phil holds Melo accountable for the ball movement on the team and has never once mentioned Rose, the point guard he traded for. Ball movement starts with the PG. When we had Kidd here, the ball flew around the court til it found the open man. Passing is contagious and Rose doesn't do it. Rubio does. Massive failure by Phil to not see this and jump at it.

Please STOP! You think Phil doesn't see something that's obvious to all??? I mean this is Phil Jackson who made his career on sacrifice for the team and playing team ball. There's more to the story than Phil just dropping the ball as you're assuming. There's nothing that you're seeing that Phil is somehow oblivious to.

Some fans saw that Rose and Noah was a bad pick up and choices to bring in. Now how did they see this and Phil didn't? I mean he is the great Phil Jackson right? He has access to more advance data than the fans do and yet he thought that those two pieces were going to help the knicks win. He thought AA was a good defensive player when he hasn't been a good defensive player since his early Denver days.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Somehow Phil holds Melo accountable for the ball movement on the team and has never once mentioned Rose, the point guard he traded for. Ball movement starts with the PG. When we had Kidd here, the ball flew around the court til it found the open man. Passing is contagious and Rose doesn't do it. Rubio does. Massive failure by Phil to not see this and jump at it.

Please STOP! You think Phil doesn't see something that's obvious to all??? I mean this is Phil Jackson who made his career on sacrifice for the team and playing team ball. There's more to the story than Phil just dropping the ball as you're assuming. There's nothing that you're seeing that Phil is somehow oblivious to.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Somehow Phil holds Melo accountable for the ball movement on the team and has never once mentioned Rose, the point guard he traded for. Ball movement starts with the PG. When we had Kidd here, the ball flew around the court til it found the open man. Passing is contagious and Rose doesn't do it. Rubio does. Massive failure by Phil to not see this and jump at it.

Please STOP! You think Phil doesn't see something that's obvious to all??? I mean this is Phil Jackson who made his career on sacrifice for the team and playing team ball. There's more to the story than Phil just dropping the ball as you're assuming. There's nothing that you're seeing that Phil is somehow oblivious to.

Nixluva, when the rumor came out that this deal was a possibility YOU were one of the very first to respond and screamed PLEASE GET IT DONE. What changed. I agree 100% with what you wrote here.

nixluva wrote:PLEASE, PLEASE let this happen!!! Rose has been such a tease with his game being so selfish and disconnected emotionally. Rose needs to go and I'd offer to drive him to Minny at this point. Just hope this really happens.
It's not about Rubio being so great but at least he loves passing the ball and making his teammates better!!!

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Somehow Phil holds Melo accountable for the ball movement on the team and has never once mentioned Rose, the point guard he traded for. Ball movement starts with the PG. When we had Kidd here, the ball flew around the court til it found the open man. Passing is contagious and Rose doesn't do it. Rubio does. Massive failure by Phil to not see this and jump at it.

Maybe because he was going to try and trade Rose or let him walk and didn't want to waste his time?
With Melo it's more like with Kobe. Challenge him to be better and see if he can be.

I think Phil knows in one case it was a short term investment and the other is a long term investment that he is slowly going to either move or keep pushing to improve

Jackson is spot on about his criticism of Melo. It's funny last year Phil talked about how KP hit a wall and took a lot of bad shots. You didn't see KP whine about it. It's as if you can't say one thing about Melo without it blowing up.

Can't wait to see this franchise free of Melo. Even George Karl said all the same things about Melo. So Phil, DAntoni and Karl. That's 3 of the top 10 coaches of the last 20 years and Phils case one of the 2 best ever.

EnySpree wrote:I already started a thread on this.....

Absolutely under no circumstances do we waive Derrick Rose. If he wants to go to Chicago, let him go.... but he will do it as property of the new York Knicks. No favors.... either play or get exiled. Absolutely no favors.... **** you. Finish your contract you ****ing bitch

EnySpree wrote:I already started a thread on this.....

Absolutely under no circumstances do we waive Derrick Rose. If he wants to go to Chicago, let him go.... but he will do it as property of the new York Knicks. No favors.... either play or get exiled. Absolutely no favors.... **** you. Finish your contract you ****ing bitch

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Somehow Phil holds Melo accountable for the ball movement on the team and has never once mentioned Rose, the point guard he traded for. Ball movement starts with the PG. When we had Kidd here, the ball flew around the court til it found the open man. Passing is contagious and Rose doesn't do it. Rubio does. Massive failure by Phil to not see this and jump at it.

Please STOP! You think Phil doesn't see something that's obvious to all??? I mean this is Phil Jackson who made his career on sacrifice for the team and playing team ball. There's more to the story than Phil just dropping the ball as you're assuming. There's nothing that you're seeing that Phil is somehow oblivious to.

Nixluva, when the rumor came out that this deal was a possibility YOU were one of the very first to respond and screamed PLEASE GET IT DONE. What changed. I agree 100% with what you wrote here.

nixluva wrote:PLEASE, PLEASE let this happen!!! Rose has been such a tease with his game being so selfish and disconnected emotionally. Rose needs to go and I'd offer to drive him to Minny at this point. Just hope this really happens.
It's not about Rubio being so great but at least he loves passing the ball and making his teammates better!!!

I think Phil tried to make the deal but wanted a different deal than the TWolves. That's not the same thing as saying Phil doesn't get it or understand it. Phil does know the necessary ingredients to winning but it's not NBA 2k and it's very difficult to actually make deals or find a way to get top tier talent.

As for what yellowboy90 brings up about Rose, Noah or AA not being what Phil hoped for sure there fans on EVERY SIDE of any move and cherry picking the ones Phil got wrong doesn't prove a damn thing.
Most of the players have actually done well despite the losing this year.

Unfortunately Rose in particular hasn't played a winning style of ball. It was still worth a shot given the lack of other options to put a team together around Melo this year. Who else was legitimately available on a one year deal that kept options open? Noah hasn't been as bad as some think. Just couldn't stay healthy. BJ was a good backup and CLee has been about what was expected.