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Chandler
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2/23/2017  3:49 PM
Welpee wrote:
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Knicks have at least three very tradeable assets: Rose, Lee, and KO'Q and swung and missed. Whatever they're paying Phil it's the worst investment in the NBA.


Minny was always suspect. C'mon, they're realizing Knicks willing to trade him, and concluding that they can just wait until summer and sign him as a FA; Minny wanted to dump Rubio (which may be tougher)

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2/23/2017  3:52 PM
This is bad.
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2/23/2017  3:57 PM
CrushAlot wrote:This is bad.

These statement probably made to make the Knicks look bad. Most likely there was no deal.
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2/23/2017  3:58 PM
CrushAlot wrote:This is bad.

Wow. Difference between having Steve Mills/Phil Jackson and a good GM.

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2/23/2017  4:00 PM
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:This is bad.

These statement probably made to make the Knicks look bad. Most likely there was no deal.

Begley covers the Knicks. His sources are from the Knicks. Not sure why he would try to make them look bad.
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2/23/2017  4:00 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:This is bad.

Wow. Difference between having Steve Mills/Phil Jackson and a good GM.

It doesn't work like that. If there is a deal going on they let it go on until it gets done.
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2/23/2017  4:00 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:This is bad.

These statement probably made to make the Knicks look bad. Most likely there was no deal.

Begley covers the Knicks. His sources are from the Knicks. Not sure why he would try to make them look bad.

I don't buy it he doesn't even know the rules.
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2/23/2017  4:15 PM
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:This is bad.

These statement probably made to make the Knicks look bad. Most likely there was no deal.

Begley covers the Knicks. His sources are from the Knicks. Not sure why he would try to make them look bad.

I don't buy it he doesn't even know the rules.

Begley doesn't?
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2/23/2017  4:20 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:This is bad.

These statement probably made to make the Knicks look bad. Most likely there was no deal.

Begley covers the Knicks. His sources are from the Knicks. Not sure why he would try to make them look bad.

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2/23/2017  4:28 PM
The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.
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2/23/2017  4:38 PM
LOL. I love everyone griping about Fake News with regards to the fact that Phil did absolutely nothing for a second straight year at the trade deadline.

How can you even defend Phil? We all agreed moving Rose for Rubio was the right move, but they messed it up. That was a simple, easy, good trade and Phil tried to milk it for another asset which he was never getting.

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2/23/2017  4:39 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

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2/23/2017  4:42 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.
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2/23/2017  4:43 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

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2/23/2017  4:54 PM
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Jesus, he probably didn't even here his cell blowing up minutes before the dead line..

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2/23/2017  4:55 PM
EnySpree wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

Says reporters whose livelihood depends on getting these things right.

C'mon, man - you really think this stuff is completely made up?

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2/23/2017  4:56 PM
EnySpree wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.


This is what Marc Stein tweeted

"At the finish line, Knicks were willing to deal Rose for Rubio. Wolves balked".

Do we know how a negotiation goes? It does't go "Hey give me your first offer, I'll run and take it".
You go back and forth, and you try to get something done.
You don't go with your best offer until the end.

I wanted Rubio, but I also want to see who we draft and what the situation is like 3 months from now, We will likely look to trade Melo. What if we wind up with a point guard in that trade? Rubio's less valuable in that scenario. What if we draft a point guard? Again rather sign Jennnings and develop the PG we drafted.

So lets see how this all plays out. I want changes and I really wanted Rubio over Rose. However I am excited about the draft, a probably Melo trade, and who Knicks can sign in free agency. I'll reserve judgements until July 15-20, 2017. Hopefully we end up with better than what we may have been able to pull off today.
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2/23/2017  4:58 PM
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

Says reporters whose livelihood depends on getting these things right.

C'mon, man - you really think this stuff is completely made up?

This is fake shyt. They didn't even sniff out the Mavs trade or Bulls trade or any trade that happened.
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2/23/2017  5:01 PM
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

Says reporters whose livelihood depends on getting these things right.

C'mon, man - you really think this stuff is completely made up?

This is fake shyt. They didn't even sniff out the Mavs trade or Bulls trade or any trade that happened.

Let me ask you this - why would professional reporters from different media companies make up the same fake news?

If it's fake, why do so many different companies have it down?

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2/23/2017  5:03 PM
I understand Phil wanting to get another asset. Rose isn't a good player, but the 25 million dollars in cap space is. Rubio isn't a great player and has injury history plus a long-term deal and can't shoot, so I get wanting to pry another asset from Minnesota in order to make it work. A lot of teams were hanging onto draft picks and the Knicks can tank just fine with what they already have so nothing got done. I can be okay with that.
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