Now, sitting next to someone you supposedly hate is a slap in the face to Oakley and the fans, even if most of the fans love Sprewell.

If LJ and Spree thought they were being used as props, why would they allow themselves to be as such?
Had they accepted the invite prior to the Oak eject?
Could they have used their influence to maybe persuade Dolan to reconcile with Oak for the greater good?

Nalod wrote:If LJ and Spree thought they were being used as props, why would they allow themselves to be as such?

My question is why Bernard King allowed himself in the mix? Maybe he's angling to hopefully have his number in the rafters?

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:Spree had not left on good terms, I wonder how Dolan reconciled with him?

Oak is not a reasonable person, which is part of his charm. Nor is Dolan, which is part of him being an arse.
It does make me wonder what the REAL beef is between those two. We usually defer to Dolan's lack of character as the cause.
I'd like to see Oak part of the celebration and if need be, reconcile with Dolan. As for being a part of the organization going forward, let just say that time mightiness to pass a bit on that one. If this is really about the fans and love, both need to swallow a little pride and move forward.

While I don't pretend to be judge and jury, I'd say both are not exactly blameless.

I think the real beef is Dolan doesn't like for anyone to be remotely critical of his team, especially ex-players or employees. He kicked icon Marv Albert to the curb because he dared to be objective in his commentary of the Knicks. Keep in mind these big brother media policies the Knicks have.

I am very aware of the awful history of MSG under Dolan regarding "Propaganda" and those who speak out are punished.
In some form, Spree, who don't take crap from anyone sat next to Dolan. My question is why would he allow himself to be a prop for Dolan?
Unless, there was a reconciliation Prior to Wednesday nights game?

Marv Albert not having his contract renewed was an awful event. BTW, with league pass you often hear other announcers and the syrup thick homerism is awful and amateurish. Marv
having been a tru blue dyed in the wool NY fan had been critical of knicks during the Riley and JVG era as well. Checketts did not interfere. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/17/sports/tv-sports-honesty-not-salary-cost-albert-his-job.html?_r=0

Watching a knicks broadcast without marv was very strange. He was the voice of the knicks.

Resolution has to be where to parties are willing to save face and move forward.

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:Spree had not left on good terms, I wonder how Dolan reconciled with him?

Oak is not a reasonable person, which is part of his charm. Nor is Dolan, which is part of him being an arse.
It does make me wonder what the REAL beef is between those two. We usually defer to Dolan's lack of character as the cause.
I'd like to see Oak part of the celebration and if need be, reconcile with Dolan. As for being a part of the organization going forward, let just say that time mightiness to pass a bit on that one. If this is really about the fans and love, both need to swallow a little pride and move forward.

While I don't pretend to be judge and jury, I'd say both are not exactly blameless.

I think the real beef is Dolan doesn't like for anyone to be remotely critical of his team, especially ex-players or employees. He kicked icon Marv Albert to the curb because he dared to be objective in his commentary of the Knicks. Keep in mind these big brother media policies the Knicks have.

I am very aware of the awful history of MSG under Dolan regarding "Propaganda" and those who speak out are punished.
In some form, Spree, who don't take crap from anyone sat next to Dolan. My question is why would he allow himself to be a prop for Dolan?
Unless, there was a reconciliation Prior to Wednesday nights game?

Marv Albert not having his contract renewed was an awful event. BTW, with league pass you often hear other announcers and the syrup thick homerism is awful and amateurish. Marv
having been a tru blue dyed in the wool NY fan had been critical of knicks during the Riley and JVG era as well. Checketts did not interfere. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/17/sports/tv-sports-honesty-not-salary-cost-albert-his-job.html?_r=0

Watching a knicks broadcast without marv was very strange. He was the voice of the knicks.

Resolution has to be where to parties are willing to save face and move forward.

Welpee wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:Superfan Spike Lee said he "teared up" when Oak got escorted. Really Spike? You knew all that happened and got teary?

If LJ and Spree thought they were being used as props, why would they allow themselves to be as such?
Had they accepted the invite prior to the Oak eject?
Could they have used their influence to maybe persuade Dolan to reconcile with Oak for the greater good?

They are probably both broke and likely have no tangible skills to recoup an income that can maintain their lifestyles. I know Spree has already declared bankruptcy and despite his on-court play, is a well renowned *******. I could see him selling his soul. After all, he voted for Donald Trump.

Agreed, I totally could see Spree being approached by Dolan to attend the game and him negotiating his "appearance fee." I totally don't believe the whole "we've been trying to get Spree back for a while." From what I've seen, he's not doing much. What was the hold up until now?

70th anniversary of the team.

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:Superfan Spike Lee said he "teared up" when Oak got escorted. Really Spike? You knew all that happened and got teary?

If LJ and Spree thought they were being used as props, why would they allow themselves to be as such?
Had they accepted the invite prior to the Oak eject?
Could they have used their influence to maybe persuade Dolan to reconcile with Oak for the greater good?

They are probably both broke and likely have no tangible skills to recoup an income that can maintain their lifestyles. I know Spree has already declared bankruptcy and despite his on-court play, is a well renowned *******. I could see him selling his soul. After all, he voted for Donald Trump.

Agreed, I totally could see Spree being approached by Dolan to attend the game and him negotiating his "appearance fee." I totally don't believe the whole "we've been trying to get Spree back for a while." From what I've seen, he's not doing much. What was the hold up until now?

70th anniversary of the team.

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:Superfan Spike Lee said he "teared up" when Oak got escorted. Really Spike? You knew all that happened and got teary?

If LJ and Spree thought they were being used as props, why would they allow themselves to be as such?
Had they accepted the invite prior to the Oak eject?
Could they have used their influence to maybe persuade Dolan to reconcile with Oak for the greater good?

They are probably both broke and likely have no tangible skills to recoup an income that can maintain their lifestyles. I know Spree has already declared bankruptcy and despite his on-court play, is a well renowned *******. I could see him selling his soul. After all, he voted for Donald Trump.

Agreed, I totally could see Spree being approached by Dolan to attend the game and him negotiating his "appearance fee." I totally don't believe the whole "we've been trying to get Spree back for a while." From what I've seen, he's not doing much. What was the hold up until now?

70th anniversary of the team.

Which would beg the following question: So it was important to get things right with Spree for the 70th anniversary but not Oak?

Lets go on the assumption that it was preplanned. Lets go on the assumption that Spree has mellowed with age and out of need of money. Might he have made concessions regarding what a "reunion" would represent?
There is a dignified approach to not selling out. Oak "Keeps it real" and does not take to confrontations. Dolan might feel like if you give tickets to ex-players, he might be a bit sensitive to coming in and calling people out. There is a difference. I entertain at my house a lot. I know not everybody agrees with my views on things. Im ok with opposing view points. Say political, you don't agree with my politics. You can say its dispppointed and the results were not something you agree with. But if you say "Are you freaking stupid?" Or, "your father was much smarter than you and you don't measure".......Well that's different isn't it. Oak was at the point where he was buying his own tickets so he didn't have to agree, and that's ok. But at some point you park yourself 4 rows back and get vocal. He is not a regular fan anymore, he is a celebrity. He knows what he was doing. He put himself in that situation.

Sorry, I know not everyone agrees with me. Im not saying Dolan was right BTW, IM saying Oak is culpable to some degree.
As for the Vin Baker thing, I'd be curious to see if it was legit. Vin Baker was not tweeting it.
Of all the things Dolan has done, he is a recovered abuser and I always thought his reaching to Vin Baker was kind of a good thing.

Trust me, I am no Dolan fan!!!!! I hate our history since Checketts left!!!!!
I support Phil because Dolan is stepped away.

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:Superfan Spike Lee said he "teared up" when Oak got escorted. Really Spike? You knew all that happened and got teary?

If LJ and Spree thought they were being used as props, why would they allow themselves to be as such?
Had they accepted the invite prior to the Oak eject?
Could they have used their influence to maybe persuade Dolan to reconcile with Oak for the greater good?

They are probably both broke and likely have no tangible skills to recoup an income that can maintain their lifestyles. I know Spree has already declared bankruptcy and despite his on-court play, is a well renowned *******. I could see him selling his soul. After all, he voted for Donald Trump.

Agreed, I totally could see Spree being approached by Dolan to attend the game and him negotiating his "appearance fee." I totally don't believe the whole "we've been trying to get Spree back for a while." From what I've seen, he's not doing much. What was the hold up until now?

70th anniversary of the team.

Which would beg the following question: So it was important to get things right with Spree for the 70th anniversary but not Oak?

Lets go on the assumption that it was preplanned. Lets go on the assumption that Spree has mellowed with age and out of need of money. Might he have made concessions regarding what a "reunion" would represent?
There is a dignified approach to not selling out. Oak "Keeps it real" and does not take to confrontations. Dolan might feel like if you give tickets to ex-players, he might be a bit sensitive to coming in and calling people out. There is a difference. I entertain at my house a lot. I know not everybody agrees with my views on things. Im ok with opposing view points. Say political, you don't agree with my politics. You can say its dispppointed and the results were not something you agree with. But if you say "Are you freaking stupid?" Or, "your father was much smarter than you and you don't measure".......Well that's different isn't it. Oak was at the point where he was buying his own tickets so he didn't have to agree, and that's ok. But at some point you park yourself 4 rows back and get vocal. He is not a regular fan anymore, he is a celebrity. He knows what he was doing. He put himself in that situation.

Sorry, I know not everyone agrees with me. Im not saying Dolan was right BTW, IM saying Oak is culpable to some degree.
As for the Vin Baker thing, I'd be curious to see if it was legit. Vin Baker was not tweeting it.
Of all the things Dolan has done, he is a recovered abuser and I always thought his reaching to Vin Baker was kind of a good thing.

Trust me, I am no Dolan fan!!!!! I hate our history since Checketts left!!!!!
I support Phil because Dolan is stepped away.

Also, this article on Baker: http://www.thescore.com/news/1230982

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:Superfan Spike Lee said he "teared up" when Oak got escorted. Really Spike? You knew all that happened and got teary?

If LJ and Spree thought they were being used as props, why would they allow themselves to be as such?
Had they accepted the invite prior to the Oak eject?
Could they have used their influence to maybe persuade Dolan to reconcile with Oak for the greater good?

They are probably both broke and likely have no tangible skills to recoup an income that can maintain their lifestyles. I know Spree has already declared bankruptcy and despite his on-court play, is a well renowned *******. I could see him selling his soul. After all, he voted for Donald Trump.

Agreed, I totally could see Spree being approached by Dolan to attend the game and him negotiating his "appearance fee." I totally don't believe the whole "we've been trying to get Spree back for a while." From what I've seen, he's not doing much. What was the hold up until now?

70th anniversary of the team.

Which would beg the following question: So it was important to get things right with Spree for the 70th anniversary but not Oak?

Lets go on the assumption that it was preplanned. Lets go on the assumption that Spree has mellowed with age and out of need of money. Might he have made concessions regarding what a "reunion" would represent?
There is a dignified approach to not selling out. Oak "Keeps it real" and does not take to confrontations. Dolan might feel like if you give tickets to ex-players, he might be a bit sensitive to coming in and calling people out. There is a difference. I entertain at my house a lot. I know not everybody agrees with my views on things. Im ok with opposing view points. Say political, you don't agree with my politics. You can say its dispppointed and the results were not something you agree with. But if you say "Are you freaking stupid?" Or, "your father was much smarter than you and you don't measure".......Well that's different isn't it. Oak was at the point where he was buying his own tickets so he didn't have to agree, and that's ok. But at some point you park yourself 4 rows back and get vocal. He is not a regular fan anymore, he is a celebrity. He knows what he was doing. He put himself in that situation.

Sorry, I know not everyone agrees with me. Im not saying Dolan was right BTW, IM saying Oak is culpable to some degree.
As for the Vin Baker thing, I'd be curious to see if it was legit. Vin Baker was not tweeting it.
Of all the things Dolan has done, he is a recovered abuser and I always thought his reaching to Vin Baker was kind of a good thing.

Trust me, I am no Dolan fan!!!!! I hate our history since Checketts left!!!!!
I support Phil because Dolan is stepped away.

The thing is, Oakley didn't start going at Dolan from day one like this, it has built up to what it is now. Also, your analogy isn't really applicable because this is more than about being a guest at somebody's house. This is about Dolan properly recognizing a very important figure in the recent history of the franchise. Of course Oak has some responsibility in this, but as the team owner and by extension the caretaker of the franchise's history and legacy, I think Dolan has the greater responsibility to make things right with important figures like Oak (and Spree for that matter). Dolan as the team owner should be expected to rise above this versus acting like a child and going tit for tat with Oak.

Also, this article on Baker: http://www.thescore.com/news/1230982

Glad Baker spoke out. Dolan is a sad little man.