JamesKPolk wrote:No, CP3 or anyone else isn't realistic because this owner is a DISGRACE and this franchise is the Cleveland Browns of the NBA.

I hate Dolan, but he isn't putting off anyone signing here- its money and winning, and sometimes personal factors, that determine most free agents decisions. A lot of owners are awful people. Do you remember which owners were playing hard ball in the lockout? Nope, me neither, and neither do the players- didn't affect who they signed with one jot.

Bulls owners spy on their players and threaten them in contract negotiations- is no one ever going to sign with the Bulls? Did it stop Wade?

Cavs Owner wrote that letter when Lebron left, did that stop Lebron leaving? Love re-signing?

smackeddog wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:No, CP3 or anyone else isn't realistic because this owner is a DISGRACE and this franchise is the Cleveland Browns of the NBA.

I hate Dolan, but he isn't putting off anyone signing here- its money and winning, and sometimes personal factors, that determine most free agents decisions. A lot of owners are awful people. Do you remember which owners were playing hard ball in the lockout? Nope, me neither, and neither do the players- didn't affect who they signed with one jot.

Bulls owners spy on their players and threaten them in contract negotiations- is no one ever going to sign with the Bulls? Did it stop Wade?

Cavs Owner wrote that letter when Lebron left, did that stop Lebron leaving? Love re-signing?

No? Having the worst owner in the NBA directly responsible for 17 seasons of failure doesn't put off a player who is concerned about winning?

Awful people? We are not talking about Dolan's character, which is terrible. We are talking about his performance as an NBA owner. His career record as an owner is 567-784. Over 200 games under .500. That's stopping the players from coming here - that and incidents like the one with Charles Oakley. Oak is not the first nor the last beloved Knick to be removed from the franchise for criticizing the team and Dolan.

If you don't think the Knicks are a laughingstock, and if you don't think James Dolan is directly responsible for that, then I'm not sure what else to say. From the very moment he took over as owner we have been terrible. When do you think James Dolan became owner of the franchise?

And this false statement that 20 years ago the Knicks were considered a non-destination for free agents due to a toxic culture is absurd. What? Sure, the Knicks went through come coaching changes with Patrick Ewing but that was the extent of the 'toxicness'. There was never a constant circus. There was never a constant black cloud over the franchise. There was never this us vs. media/fans stance from the Knicks. The Knicks were also winning - alot. They were not a launghingstock Cleveland Browns/Donald Sterling Clippers franchise they are now. It is ridiculous to assert that the Knicks of 20 years ago had the same issues they have now. Maybe the worst revisionist history I have ever read here.

JamesKPolk wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:No, CP3 or anyone else isn't realistic because this owner is a DISGRACE and this franchise is the Cleveland Browns of the NBA.

I hate Dolan, but he isn't putting off anyone signing here- its money and winning, and sometimes personal factors, that determine most free agents decisions. A lot of owners are awful people. Do you remember which owners were playing hard ball in the lockout? Nope, me neither, and neither do the players- didn't affect who they signed with one jot.

Bulls owners spy on their players and threaten them in contract negotiations- is no one ever going to sign with the Bulls? Did it stop Wade?

Cavs Owner wrote that letter when Lebron left, did that stop Lebron leaving? Love re-signing?

No? Having the worst owner in the NBA directly responsible for 17 seasons of failure doesn't put off a player who is concerned about winning?

Awful people? We are not talking about Dolan's character, which is terrible. We are talking about his performance as an NBA owner. His career record as an owner is 567-784. Over 200 games under .500. That's stopping the players from coming here - that and incidents like the one with Charles Oakley. Oak is not the first nor the last beloved Knick to be removed from the franchise for criticizing the team and Dolan.

If you don't think the Knicks are a laughingstock, and if you don't think James Dolan is directly responsible for that, then I'm not sure what else to say. From the very moment he took over as owner we have been terrible. When do you think James Dolan became owner of the franchise?

And this false statement that 20 years ago the Knicks were considered a non-destination for free agents due to a toxic culture is absurd. What? Sure, the Knicks went through come coaching changes with Patrick Ewing but that was the extent of the 'toxicness'. There was never a constant circus. There was never a constant black cloud over the franchise. There was never this us vs. media/fans stance from the Knicks. The Knicks were also winning - alot. They were not a launghingstock Cleveland Browns/Donald Sterling Clippers franchise they are now. It is ridiculous to assert that the Knicks of 20 years ago had the same issues they have now. Maybe the worst revisionist history I have ever read here.

20 yrs, I was obviously rounding up- whenever the hell IT took over

JamesKPolk wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:No, CP3 or anyone else isn't realistic because this owner is a DISGRACE and this franchise is the Cleveland Browns of the NBA.

I hate Dolan, but he isn't putting off anyone signing here- its money and winning, and sometimes personal factors, that determine most free agents decisions. A lot of owners are awful people. Do you remember which owners were playing hard ball in the lockout? Nope, me neither, and neither do the players- didn't affect who they signed with one jot.

Bulls owners spy on their players and threaten them in contract negotiations- is no one ever going to sign with the Bulls? Did it stop Wade?

Cavs Owner wrote that letter when Lebron left, did that stop Lebron leaving? Love re-signing?

No? Having the worst owner in the NBA directly responsible for 17 seasons of failure doesn't put off a player who is concerned about winning?

Awful people? We are not talking about Dolan's character, which is terrible. We are talking about his performance as an NBA owner. His career record as an owner is 567-784. Over 200 games under .500. That's stopping the players from coming here - that and incidents like the one with Charles Oakley. Oak is not the first nor the last beloved Knick to be removed from the franchise for criticizing the team and Dolan.

If you don't think the Knicks are a laughingstock, and if you don't think James Dolan is directly responsible for that, then I'm not sure what else to say. From the very moment he took over as owner we have been terrible. When do you think James Dolan became owner of the franchise?

And this false statement that 20 years ago the Knicks were considered a non-destination for free agents due to a toxic culture is absurd. What? Sure, the Knicks went through come coaching changes with Patrick Ewing but that was the extent of the 'toxicness'. There was never a constant circus. There was never a constant black cloud over the franchise. There was never this us vs. media/fans stance from the Knicks. The Knicks were also winning - alot. They were not a launghingstock Cleveland Browns/Donald Sterling Clippers franchise they are now. It is ridiculous to assert that the Knicks of 20 years ago had the same issues they have now. Maybe the worst revisionist history I have ever read here.

People seem to forget that we signed Allan Houston and Chris Childs who were considered the next big thing and the two most sought after free agents after Reggie Miller. Chris didn't work out as well but Allan certainly did.

nyknickzingis wrote:I see some Knick fans remain in delusion that CP3 and stars like that are coming to a team that will have won 37, 17, 32, and 30ish games 4 yeras heading into free agency.

nyknickzingis wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I see some Knick fans remain in delusion that CP3 and stars like that are coming to a team that will have won 37, 17, 32, and 30ish games 4 yeras heading into free agency.

Is there anyone on this forum that thinks that? You should name them because I can't find them.

If you are whining about free agents you have to be dreaming
Which great free agents have signed with us?
If you think that guys like Lopez Noah Lee Afflalo etc won't continue to sign with us lol come on

I'll make a friendly bet with anyone. This summer will be able to sign 2 players of the level of Lee, Noah, RoLo or Afflalo. Just supply and demand.

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JamesKPolk wrote:

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Nothing else needs to be said.

+1.

Yep. Sad stuff. We're stuck with this dysfunction, because as Woj points out - it's not just Dolan, it's his little team of spies and sycophants that are employed at every level of the organization that create an atmosphere of paranoia and distrust.

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