holfresh wrote:My take is the Oak went to the Garden and got seats close to Dolan..Security didn't find out that Oak was so close to Dolan until he was seated and they panicked..They were supposed to keep tabs on Oak when he comes to the Garden..They tried to get him to leave quietly and Oakley freaked..That's why Garden head of security was fired..Oak wasn't supposed to get so close to Dolan unnoticed..

Has even one person come forward to tell a different version of the events, other then Oak himself...

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Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:It'll be interesting to see testimony from people who aren't paid by Dolan.

There were plenty of people explaining their interactions were neutral with him. You didn't see all 16 statements exaggerating his actions. Just because they are employees doesn't mean they are wrong. The Knicks don't need to be out there chasing statements from fans who were seated near him after the fact.

No, of course the Knicks don't.

That's for Oakley's lawyer to get.

Dolan is a lying sack of ****. Can't believe y'all buy this with no questioning.

I can't believe you are buying the other side without questioning.

I love Oak like anybody else, but there are two sides to everything. He didn't have to get physical with security. They didn't grab him even when they escorted him out. All he had to do was leave and sort it out later. Makes you wonder what happened before the video.... well only rational minded people.

The New York Times has quotes from fans in attendance that directly contradict the Garden. Why would the Times make it up?

Why would the Garden? We already know. To make Dolan look less like an idiot.

Read the testimony. To believe it you have to believe that 18 msg employees didnt recognize Charles Oakley and let him get to his seat within 20ft of Dolan already acting belligerently. Do you really believe they would let Oakley within a mile of Dolan if he was already acting like that?

There were also people that I.Begley spoke to that didn't work at the garden that were around the incident that said he was acting belligerent and yelling thing before the incident happened so explain that one??

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:This is Dave Checketts' son. Smarter than Dolan will ever be.

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Yeah he should of done that and then he could of just hired a security guard to keep an eye on his food so Oakley doesn't put poison in it which he said he'd love to do many years ago to Dolan.

Howe do you feel about Oakley yelling racial slurs at the white security guards and employees? I guess that was alright to and aggressively putting his hands on people in front of an arena full of children??

This is a joke. Both deserve blame for everything that one has done to the other over the years but that incident at the Garden was on Oakley. He came to the Garden after already having drinks elsewhere looking for a problem and he got himself into a problem.

You really think Oakley, who by the way attended a charity event the day before, had a couple of drinks and decided I'm going to go to the garden specifically to cause trouble? I know Oak is no saint but he's also not a fool. I have no doubt Oak can be a prickly personality, overly sensitive, and a grump. I think he sensed a vibe that the staff is monitoring him and got pissed off about why he couldn't be left alone like everyone else.

Funny how in the Garden's own security footage nobody in Dolan's row turned around until Oak's confrontation with the security began. If he were yelling comments at Dolan wouldn't you think at least one person would turn around to see where those comments were coming from?

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:This is Dave Checketts' son. Smarter than Dolan will ever be.

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Yeah he should of done that and then he could of just hired a security guard to keep an eye on his food so Oakley doesn't put poison in it which he said he'd love to do many years ago to Dolan.

Howe do you feel about Oakley yelling racial slurs at the white security guards and employees? I guess that was alright to and aggressively putting his hands on people in front of an arena full of children??

This is a joke. Both deserve blame for everything that one has done to the other over the years but that incident at the Garden was on Oakley. He came to the Garden after already having drinks elsewhere looking for a problem and he got himself into a problem.

You seem to be the only person that knows Oakley's intent and his itinerary for that evening. You should work for media with the scoops you seem to have.

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:This is Dave Checketts' son. Smarter than Dolan will ever be.

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Yeah he should of done that and then he could of just hired a security guard to keep an eye on his food so Oakley doesn't put poison in it which he said he'd love to do many years ago to Dolan.

Howe do you feel about Oakley yelling racial slurs at the white security guards and employees? I guess that was alright to and aggressively putting his hands on people in front of an arena full of children??

This is a joke. Both deserve blame for everything that one has done to the other over the years but that incident at the Garden was on Oakley. He came to the Garden after already having drinks elsewhere looking for a problem and he got himself into a problem.

You seem to be the only person that knows Oakley's intent and his itinerary for that evening. You should work for media with the scoops you seem to have.

No i just live in the real world and am grown enough to see who the problem was. It's really quite simple if you open your eyes.

crzymdups wrote:This is Dave Checketts' son. Smarter than Dolan will ever be.

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That would've been the ideal scenario but Dolan is small minded. Not ignoring Oak for almost 20yrs. Not having security stare him that. I would be pissed too. They are both at fault but Dolan gets the brunt of the blame as he is holding the deck of cards. The ball is in his court to do the right thing. It was a sad sad day but no different then the past 15yrs. Maybe another 15yrs from now Dolan will get it right

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crzymdups wrote:Dolan has botched this so badly. This is going to be a black eye for the organization for months when it goes to court.

I wonder if the board will determine he's unfit to be Chairman.

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We were due for another Anucha/Zeke like Trial to but a stamp on this latest era of ineptitude. Maybe Just maybe Adam Silver like Stern before him will step in even though Dolan's sobriety is no longer one of the major issues. Only Dolan's insecurities & Napoleon complexes