knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.

In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.

So basically he is also done with Melo.

Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.

Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.

kp is brutal when melo is not on the floor. If Kp was aggressive, hitting shots and playing hard with energy, the ball will find you. When your bricking open shot after open shot, no one going to force feed you.

One minute it's "KP is not ready he's only 21" and in the same sentencing im hearing melo and rose is holding him back.

Once again the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of preparing the team and having them ready.

It's not on the coaches when the team just isn't listening to them. JH talks about what he wants them to do after every game but they just don't do it so what else can the coaches do? You bench them and it just makes things even worse in the locker room. I'm done with the KP is only 21 talk cause he's playing bad on both ends of the floor. He can't shoot right now, he's horrible on defense, he makes the absolute dumbest fouls ever but just keeps on making them pretty much every game so lets not try to say this stuff is because he's 21. I love KP and was one of the few that wanted the Knicks to draft him and thought he'd be a good player year one but he's playing bad and that's on him.

We need to get rid of D.Rose asap. This team needs a vocal leader which will hopefully come in a new PG. Melo is a star player but he's not a leader of men and that's what he and this team needs.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.

In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.

So basically he is also done with Melo.

Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.

Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.

kp is brutal when melo is not on the floor. If Kp was aggressive, hitting shots and playing hard with energy, the ball will find you. When your bricking open shot after open shot, no one going to force feed you.

One minute it's "KP is not ready he's only 21" and in the same sentencing im hearing melo and rose is holding him back.

Once again the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of preparing the team and having them ready.

Is this true? I don't have the stats but KP seems to play much better w the second unit where what you say is true. You play hard, you cut and the ball finds you and coincidentally (or not) team plays more inspired defense. W first unit there's a lot of standing around watching 1 of 2 guys dribble and then they have to play 4 on 5 or 3 on 5 for defense at other end.

I doubt it's true. The whole team is playing worse with Melo on the floor. You can search different two man combos on basketball reference and see how the team has done with them on the floor. I'm not sure if this link will work or if you have to do the search in basketball reference but here's the link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/lineup_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&lineup_type=2-man&output=total&is_playoffs=N&year_id=2017&team_id=NYK&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&order_by=diff_pts
Our best 2 man combo this year is Holiday and KP (+87) points. Kuz & KP are +39. KP is in the +20s with many teammates. When Melo and KP are on the court the team is -100. Almost all possible combinations involving Melo are in negative territory.

great table - do a sort by minutes - the first + combo is BJ & KP. All the other top minute combos are negative & include Melo.

Giant indictment!

Knixkik wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:KP doesn't enjoy playing with rose. You can tell. There's front office personnel throughout the league following the knicks and thinking that the knicks are going to destroy KP's development. The guy has talent like few others yet they treat him like another Ryan Anderson when playing alongside melo and rose. KP is absolutely right and changes need to be made to take advantage of his talent. It's terrible watching him get no easy shots at the rim. Every basket he gets he has to work hard for. We need ball movement to get rhythm. There's coaches in the league that would run an offense thru him correctly and he would look like a superstar already.

This.

I am very concerned that he has regressed this year. Hornacek is a good coach, imo but Rose and Melo are running the show on the floor. Jennings runs the offense that is why you see KP do better with him in the game.

I don't think he's regressed. If the season ended today, he's still had a very solid 2nd season. His recent slump coincides with his injury. The problem is, the team has made no effort to get him back involved and get him back into his early season rhythm. We all saw what he is capable of in Nov and Dec. He was averaging 21 ppg on close to 50% shooting and completely taking over games. We know what he is capable of, yet not running an offense that tries to get him back to that. It's like the team is trying to keep him as a spot up shooter until he finds his rhythm again on his own, and that's not how it should work.

In the beginning of the season one of the things he was doing alot was coming out of nowhere with a big put back dunk so where has that been? When was the last time you've seen some big put back dunks from him? A big part is D.Rose not forming a good on court relationship with him but i don't care how much you love KP cause nobody loves him more than i do but he needs to take his part of the blame for the way he's playing. Are the stupid fouls he makes on Rose and Melo? Is his shooting on Rose and Melo? Is his bad defense on Rose and Melo? Everyone needs to get their own blame for the way they're playing as a singular player and as a team player.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:KP doesn't enjoy playing with rose. You can tell. There's front office personnel throughout the league following the knicks and thinking that the knicks are going to destroy KP's development. The guy has talent like few others yet they treat him like another Ryan Anderson when playing alongside melo and rose. KP is absolutely right and changes need to be made to take advantage of his talent. It's terrible watching him get no easy shots at the rim. Every basket he gets he has to work hard for. We need ball movement to get rhythm. There's coaches in the league that would run an offense thru him correctly and he would look like a superstar already.

This.

I am very concerned that he has regressed this year. Hornacek is a good coach, imo but Rose and Melo are running the show on the floor. Jennings runs the offense that is why you see KP do better with him in the game.

I don't think he's regressed. If the season ended today, he's still had a very solid 2nd season. His recent slump coincides with his injury. The problem is, the team has made no effort to get him back involved and get him back into his early season rhythm. We all saw what he is capable of in Nov and Dec. He was averaging 21 ppg on close to 50% shooting and completely taking over games. We know what he is capable of, yet not running an offense that tries to get him back to that. It's like the team is trying to keep him as a spot up shooter until he finds his rhythm again on his own, and that's not how it should work.

In the beginning of the season one of the things he was doing alot was coming out of nowhere with a big put back dunk so where has that been? When was the last time you've seen some big put back dunks from him? A big part is D.Rose not forming a good on court relationship with him but i don't care how much you love KP cause nobody loves him more than i do but he needs to take his part of the blame for the way he's playing. Are the stupid fouls he makes on Rose and Melo? Is his shooting on Rose and Melo? Is his bad defense on Rose and Melo? Everyone needs to get their own blame for the way they're playing as a singular player and as a team player.

His big putback dunks were last season. He didn't have very many early in the year. He just had one a couple of games ago. I don't think you can use that as a basis for anything really. Those dunks are fun and spectacular, but they are timing, opportunity, and luck bunched in together, and by no means are an indication of his intensity level or anything like that. When those opportunities are there, we will still see them from time to time. He does need to take blame for how he is playing, but i will never expect greatness from a 21 year old, 2nd year player. He is still way ahead of schedule for his development and i am sure he will iron out his mistakes. His biggest issue is confidence right now, that will correct itself in time.

Chandler wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.

In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.

So basically he is also done with Melo.

Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.

Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.

kp is brutal when melo is not on the floor. If Kp was aggressive, hitting shots and playing hard with energy, the ball will find you. When your bricking open shot after open shot, no one going to force feed you.

One minute it's "KP is not ready he's only 21" and in the same sentencing im hearing melo and rose is holding him back.

Once again the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of preparing the team and having them ready.

Is this true? I don't have the stats but KP seems to play much better w the second unit where what you say is true. You play hard, you cut and the ball finds you and coincidentally (or not) team plays more inspired defense. W first unit there's a lot of standing around watching 1 of 2 guys dribble and then they have to play 4 on 5 or 3 on 5 for defense at other end.

I doubt it's true. The whole team is playing worse with Melo on the floor. You can search different two man combos on basketball reference and see how the team has done with them on the floor. I'm not sure if this link will work or if you have to do the search in basketball reference but here's the link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/lineup_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&lineup_type=2-man&output=total&is_playoffs=N&year_id=2017&team_id=NYK&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&order_by=diff_pts
Our best 2 man combo this year is Holiday and KP (+87) points. Kuz & KP are +39. KP is in the +20s with many teammates. When Melo and KP are on the court the team is -100. Almost all possible combinations involving Melo are in negative territory.

great table - do a sort by minutes - the first + combo is BJ & KP. All the other top minute combos are negative & include Melo.

Giant indictment!

I wish I could email this link to Melo

what's the scoop with Rose? Has to be similar, I would imagine

Just make sure Lebron doesn't see this link!

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.

In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.

So basically he is also done with Melo.

Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.

Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.

kp is brutal when melo is not on the floor. If Kp was aggressive, hitting shots and playing hard with energy, the ball will find you. When your bricking open shot after open shot, no one going to force feed you.

One minute it's "KP is not ready he's only 21" and in the same sentencing im hearing melo and rose is holding him back.

Once again the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of preparing the team and having them ready.

Is this true? I don't have the stats but KP seems to play much better w the second unit where what you say is true. You play hard, you cut and the ball finds you and coincidentally (or not) team plays more inspired defense. W first unit there's a lot of standing around watching 1 of 2 guys dribble and then they have to play 4 on 5 or 3 on 5 for defense at other end.

I doubt it's true. The whole team is playing worse with Melo on the floor. You can search different two man combos on basketball reference and see how the team has done with them on the floor. I'm not sure if this link will work or if you have to do the search in basketball reference but here's the link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/lineup_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&lineup_type=2-man&output=total&is_playoffs=N&year_id=2017&team_id=NYK&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&order_by=diff_pts
Our best 2 man combo this year is Holiday and KP (+87) points. Kuz & KP are +39. KP is in the +20s with many teammates. When Melo and KP are on the court the team is -100. Almost all possible combinations involving Melo are in negative territory.

great table - do a sort by minutes - the first + combo is BJ & KP. All the other top minute combos are negative & include Melo.

Giant indictment!

I wish I could email this link to Melo

what's the scoop with Rose? Has to be similar, I would imagine

Just make sure Lebron doesn't see this link!

You don't think his posse knows about this.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:KP doesn't enjoy playing with rose. You can tell. There's front office personnel throughout the league following the knicks and thinking that the knicks are going to destroy KP's development. The guy has talent like few others yet they treat him like another Ryan Anderson when playing alongside melo and rose. KP is absolutely right and changes need to be made to take advantage of his talent. It's terrible watching him get no easy shots at the rim. Every basket he gets he has to work hard for. We need ball movement to get rhythm. There's coaches in the league that would run an offense thru him correctly and he would look like a superstar already.

This.

I am very concerned that he has regressed this year. Hornacek is a good coach, imo but Rose and Melo are running the show on the floor. Jennings runs the offense that is why you see KP do better with him in the game.

I don't think he's regressed. If the season ended today, he's still had a very solid 2nd season. His recent slump coincides with his injury. The problem is, the team has made no effort to get him back involved and get him back into his early season rhythm. We all saw what he is capable of in Nov and Dec. He was averaging 21 ppg on close to 50% shooting and completely taking over games. We know what he is capable of, yet not running an offense that tries to get him back to that. It's like the team is trying to keep him as a spot up shooter until he finds his rhythm again on his own, and that's not how it should work.

In the beginning of the season one of the things he was doing alot was coming out of nowhere with a big put back dunk so where has that been? When was the last time you've seen some big put back dunks from him? A big part is D.Rose not forming a good on court relationship with him but i don't care how much you love KP cause nobody loves him more than i do but he needs to take his part of the blame for the way he's playing. Are the stupid fouls he makes on Rose and Melo? Is his shooting on Rose and Melo? Is his bad defense on Rose and Melo? Everyone needs to get their own blame for the way they're playing as a singular player and as a team player.

His big putback dunks were last season. He didn't have very many early in the year. He just had one a couple of games ago. I don't think you can use that as a basis for anything really. Those dunks are fun and spectacular, but they are timing, opportunity, and luck bunched in together, and by no means are an indication of his intensity level or anything like that. When those opportunities are there, we will still see them from time to time. He does need to take blame for how he is playing, but i will never expect greatness from a 21 year old, 2nd year player. He is still way ahead of schedule for his development and i am sure he will iron out his mistakes. His biggest issue is confidence right now, that will correct itself in time.

He had a few put back dunks in the beginning of the season and the basis of that is the effort which is what it takes for those put backs and to say put back dunks aren't an indication of intensity is ridiculous cause intensity is just what they are. I never said i expect greatness from him but i do expect better and for people to try to put it all on Melo or Rose or whoever else is also ridiculous. Nobody in our starting unit is playing up to the standards that are expected from them right now.

What is the expectation of KP now though? He's averaging 18 ppg on 45% shooting at 21 years old, which puts him a little ahead of Dirk at the same age. He's also currently number 2 in the league in Opponent FG% at the rim, which is probably the single best indicator of overall rim protection. That puts him in a category of his own really. Yes he has come back down to earth a little, and he makes a ton of mistakes, expected of any 21 year old second year player. But have the expectations of him risen so high that any repeated mistakes and flaws are a huge disappointment? Holding him accountable for improving in certain areas is one thing, but saying he's not playing up to standards is saying the bar has been set too high and this is a prime example as to why NY is nearly impossible for young players to develop or a rebuild to take place.

EXACTLY!!! Now I'm starting to get mad! People need to GTFOH with the KP bashing. KP is getting almost ZERO HELP from his starting PG Rose. Melo was doing the DadMelo thing last year and just stopped doing it. You can't convince me that KP wouldn't be playing at a higher level if Rose was actually committed to being the play maker he said he wanted to be before the season!!!

You start to miss shots when you barely touch the ball and don't know when you're going to get it. When there's no flow w or rhythm because 2 fellow starters go Solo too much and Rose in particular is totally unpredictable and breaks the offense, which leaves a kid like KP out of position and off balance.

The VETS are supposed to lead and teach the young guys. When do you ever see Rose and KP talking and working things out?

holfresh wrote:0-6, 5-14...His opponent scoring at will and he will pull from the game and yelled at by the coach..Did we miss that ?...Later the coach broke him clipboard slamming it to the ground after a KP defensive play..Did you go to bed by then??

It's Melo's fault. If Melo would just stop shooting and pass him the ball, they would be happier. But ofcourse they would blame Melo for passing it too hard if KP missed.

HofstraBBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:0-6, 5-14...His opponent scoring at will and he will pull from the game and yelled at by the coach..Did we miss that ?...Later the coach broke him clipboard slamming it to the ground after a KP defensive play..Did you go to bed by then??

It's Melo's fault. If Melo would just stop shooting and pass him the ball, they would be happier. But ofcourse they would blame Melo for passing it too hard if KP missed.

At one point in the first half MSG showed a stat where Melo was 8-14 and the rest of the team was 9-33...At the end of the game Melo was 10-17...The conclusion of the haters were that Melo wasn't passing the ball enough to KP..

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:0-6, 5-14...His opponent scoring at will and he will pull from the game and yelled at by the coach..Did we miss that ?...Later the coach broke him clipboard slamming it to the ground after a KP defensive play..Did you go to bed by then??

It's Melo's fault. If Melo would just stop shooting and pass him the ball, they would be happier. But ofcourse they would blame Melo for passing it too hard if KP missed.

At one point in the first half MSG showed a stat where Melo was 8-14 and the rest of the team was 9-33...At the end of the game Melo was 10-17...The conclusion of the haters were that Melo wasn't passing the ball enough to KP..

are you interested in team ball or just Melo stats? This isn't about what an individual is doing stat-wise, it's his effect on the team as a whole.