Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:What do people think of possibly drafting De'Aaron Fox? I've seen him a few games and liked his game, but he doesn't seem to have a great shot. Great passer and ball handler though.

He's great. His shot is the drawback, but that can be added in time. His playmaking, speed, and defense are elite. There are about 12 players in this draft who would be top 5-6 in most drafts. And even though i don't see any franchise players in this group, i think there will be a lot of all-stars or close to it, and once you get past the top 2 or 3 players, there's little to no difference between the remaining in that group. It's all preference. Basically what i am saying is, we need to get into that top 12. Looks like we are already there. But top 8 would probably solidify getting one of the 5 PGs, and Fox is a great option. I think at worst he's a better version of Rubio, at best he's a poor-man's Wall.

Yeah, that is what I saw with him - I did have the poor man's Wall thought, too. I really liked his game. I feel like he'd be a great fit for KP and what Hornacek wants to do... though not necessarily what Phil wants to do.

It'll be very interesting to see where the pick lines up - there are already a few guys I really like a lot from what little college bball I've seen this year.

We'd be 11th pick right now... but we're only 3 games out of the 4/5/6 pick range - lots of teams have 18, 19 wins.

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:What do people think of possibly drafting De'Aaron Fox? I've seen him a few games and liked his game, but he doesn't seem to have a great shot. Great passer and ball handler though.

He's great. His shot is the drawback, but that can be added in time. His playmaking, speed, and defense are elite. There are about 12 players in this draft who would be top 5-6 in most drafts. And even though i don't see any franchise players in this group, i think there will be a lot of all-stars or close to it, and once you get past the top 2 or 3 players, there's little to no difference between the remaining in that group. It's all preference. Basically what i am saying is, we need to get into that top 12. Looks like we are already there. But top 8 would probably solidify getting one of the 5 PGs, and Fox is a great option. I think at worst he's a better version of Rubio, at best he's a poor-man's Wall.

Yeah, that is what I saw with him - I did have the poor man's Wall thought, too. I really liked his game. I feel like he'd be a great fit for KP and what Hornacek wants to do... though not necessarily what Phil wants to do.

It'll be very interesting to see where the pick lines up - there are already a few guys I really like a lot from what little college bball I've seen this year.

We'd be 11th pick right now... but we're only 3 games out of the 4/5/6 pick range - lots of teams have 18, 19 wins.

He might not be Phil's ideal PG, but Phil likes big PGs who can defend, and Fox and the french PG, who will likely be the 2 in our range, both fit the bill.

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:What do people think of possibly drafting De'Aaron Fox? I've seen him a few games and liked his game, but he doesn't seem to have a great shot. Great passer and ball handler though.

He's great. His shot is the drawback, but that can be added in time. His playmaking, speed, and defense are elite. There are about 12 players in this draft who would be top 5-6 in most drafts. And even though i don't see any franchise players in this group, i think there will be a lot of all-stars or close to it, and once you get past the top 2 or 3 players, there's little to no difference between the remaining in that group. It's all preference. Basically what i am saying is, we need to get into that top 12. Looks like we are already there. But top 8 would probably solidify getting one of the 5 PGs, and Fox is a great option. I think at worst he's a better version of Rubio, at best he's a poor-man's Wall.

Yeah, that is what I saw with him - I did have the poor man's Wall thought, too. I really liked his game. I feel like he'd be a great fit for KP and what Hornacek wants to do... though not necessarily what Phil wants to do.

It'll be very interesting to see where the pick lines up - there are already a few guys I really like a lot from what little college bball I've seen this year.

We'd be 11th pick right now... but we're only 3 games out of the 4/5/6 pick range - lots of teams have 18, 19 wins.

He might not be Phil's ideal PG, but Phil likes big PGs who can defend, and Fox and the french PG, who will likely be the 2 in our range, both fit the bill.

I don't know the French PG, but I like both Kentucky guards - Malik Monk and Fox

Yes i do too.

nyknickzingis wrote:I think we are going to keep one of Melo/Rose. It looks like Rose. He is younger and even though he inexpicably left the team, the team has been very lenient with him. Melo's being shopped. Dolan needs a star to represent the team and isn't going to allow Phil Jackson in year 4 of his deal to sell him on a 20 win team. There has to be some star power on the Knicks, just the way it is, and that's Rose and KP. Or Melo and KP. I'm not a fan of Rose at all, but I think the Knicks will struggle to sign anyone this coming summer in free agency. Rose is their only star option who would possibly pick them, mainly because we'll likely pay him the most (foolishly). I've just come to terms with that. Knicks won't full out rebuild, but they can rebuild through the draft and youth movement while still having some stars make the team marketable for Dolan. I mean Dolan wnats butts in the seats. People won't come see a team of nobodies and KP. KP and Rose makes it a bit better more marketable. Same with KP and Melo. I see one of Melo/Rose definitely here next year.

KP is already a big-ticket draw and household name. We don't need hacks like Rose to keep the fan base interested. And if we position ourselves to actually win the lottery and walk away with a Markelle Fultz, you don't think that'd be even MORE marketable?

crzymdups wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I think we are going to keep one of Melo/Rose. It looks like Rose. He is younger and even though he inexpicably left the team, the team has been very lenient with him. Melo's being shopped. Dolan needs a star to represent the team and isn't going to allow Phil Jackson in year 4 of his deal to sell him on a 20 win team. There has to be some star power on the Knicks, just the way it is, and that's Rose and KP. Or Melo and KP. I'm not a fan of Rose at all, but I think the Knicks will struggle to sign anyone this coming summer in free agency. Rose is their only star option who would possibly pick them, mainly because we'll likely pay him the most (foolishly). I've just come to terms with that. Knicks won't full out rebuild, but they can rebuild through the draft and youth movement while still having some stars make the team marketable for Dolan. I mean Dolan wnats butts in the seats. People won't come see a team of nobodies and KP. KP and Rose makes it a bit better more marketable. Same with KP and Melo. I see one of Melo/Rose definitely here next year.

KP is already a big-ticket draw and household name. We don't need hacks like Rose to keep the fan base interested. And if we position ourselves to actually win the lottery and walk away with a Markelle Fultz, you don't think that'd be even MORE marketable?

Yeah, this is why I hope we can get our position up to at least 5th or 6th. Teams in 5th or 6th jump up in the top spot all the time.

Exactly, I forget the stat but it is a rarity for the team with the absolute worst record to actually win the lottery. So long as we are in the top 4-6, we should viable contenders for the top overall pick.

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:What do people think of possibly drafting De'Aaron Fox? I've seen him a few games and liked his game, but he doesn't seem to have a great shot. Great passer and ball handler though.

He's great. His shot is the drawback, but that can be added in time. His playmaking, speed, and defense are elite. There are about 12 players in this draft who would be top 5-6 in most drafts. And even though i don't see any franchise players in this group, i think there will be a lot of all-stars or close to it, and once you get past the top 2 or 3 players, there's little to no difference between the remaining in that group. It's all preference. Basically what i am saying is, we need to get into that top 12. Looks like we are already there. But top 8 would probably solidify getting one of the 5 PGs, and Fox is a great option. I think at worst he's a better version of Rubio, at best he's a poor-man's Wall.

Yeah, that is what I saw with him - I did have the poor man's Wall thought, too. I really liked his game. I feel like he'd be a great fit for KP and what Hornacek wants to do... though not necessarily what Phil wants to do.

It'll be very interesting to see where the pick lines up - there are already a few guys I really like a lot from what little college bball I've seen this year.

We'd be 11th pick right now... but we're only 3 games out of the 4/5/6 pick range - lots of teams have 18, 19 wins.

I'd say at worst, he's Eldridge Payton. That wouldn't be bad as long as he hasad more dynamic wings to run with. I like Fox too, BTW. I would take a chance.