EnySpree wrote:Also.... why would we want Reddick or Love? Reddick is old now and Love plays KP'S position? That's obvious. Just because the media makes a report doesn't mean it is true. And again...they say Phil is hard to get in contact with. So stop calling out his name. Mills is the GM. I'm sure he is doing his job well and reporting back to Phil. We are at the feeler stage.... I'm sure thing will pick up when they need to. It's a month until the trade deadline.

KP is really a center. Love is a 4. Otherwise i agree.

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Who said this is happening?

Yes, all rumors. Biggest take away from this is not the possible trade rumors but that Phil is willing to, yet again. make a deal where we get nothing in return. And yes, I know, we get cap space. Is that what we hired the great Phil Jackson for? Salary dumps? Any GM could have done that. And if cap space is so important, how does Noah's 17M help that for the next 4 years? Rose's 21M this year? Could have really used it to help get a couple of role players that would at least compliment our two stars?

Where capspace can help is the Knicks can maybe get some younger quality role players. Hope Phil has learned his lesson. Maybe he has maybe he has not. I don't know.

I hope we get something good for Melo or we keep him. I like Melo. I think we must spilt up Rose and Melo. Their chemistry sucks and it's no good for KP to be the lost man in that trio. Here's the issue. Rose is 28 so almost 5 years younger than Melo. He also is a free agent. You will get more for Melo.

Still I would not trade Melo away for peanuts and cap space. I want to get a good young player, or one good draft pick. Austin Rivers and cap space is not enough.

nyknickzingis wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Who said this is happening?

Yes, all rumors. Biggest take away from this is not the possible trade rumors but that Phil is willing to, yet again. make a deal where we get nothing in return. And yes, I know, we get cap space. Is that what we hired the great Phil Jackson for? Salary dumps? Any GM could have done that. And if cap space is so important, how does Noah's 17M help that for the next 4 years? Rose's 21M this year? Could have really used it to help get a couple of role players that would at least compliment our two stars?

Phil has definitely let down in free agency. Knicks are not a contender so it's hard for Phil to convince top free agents to sign. He will continue to struggle to do that.

Where capspace can help is the Knicks can maybe get some younger quality role players. Hope Phil has learned his lesson. Maybe he has maybe he has not. I don't know.

I hope we get something good for Melo or we keep him. I like Melo. I think we must spilt up Rose and Melo. Their chemistry sucks and it's no good for KP to be the lost man in that trio. Here's the issue. Rose is 28 so almost 5 years younger than Melo. He also is a free agent. You will get more for Melo.

Still I would not trade Melo away for peanuts and cap space. I want to get a good young player, or one good draft pick. Austin Rivers and cap space is not enough.

Would agree with you. Lets hope so. It will be too bad though, really thought we could win and still can if we did somthing about our need for PG, move Rose to 2nd unit, move KP to 5 and Melo to 4 and Let anyone but Noah in the lineup. Even with these issues we have had 8 games that could have gone the other way. Now gots to go. Going to game tonight!! Hope Melo is still in uniform. lol

HofstraBBall wrote:

Andrew wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bobby Marks on The Vertical Podcast with Chris Mannix:

I’ve talked to a lot of teams, and it’s not just the media that he’s not out in the public with. He’s not an easy man to get in touch with. If you’re going to try to make a trade proposal with the Knicks, you’re not going to Phil Jackson. You’re going to Steve Mills. And that’s how it’s been for teams in the trade process.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/27/teams-not-easily-reaching-phil-jackson-for-trade-calls-settling-for-steve-mills/

So teams are calling the Knicks? That's good. They need to communicate with Mills? So what? You think he doesn't pass it along to Phil? Phil has not said a word about Melo or really anything. How are people saying he is devaluing players?

How have the things Phil said, about Melo this year, helped in increasing Melo's trade value? He has made it seem as though Melo is the teams biggest problem. But now he expects to gain value for him? He is pretty smart. He knew that starting fires would get Melo to consider waiving his NTC. Great it worked, now what will the Knicks, not Phil, get out of it? Think this was a pissing contest by a stuborn old man looking to prove that he is the only one that can bring a chip here.

It's really sad the way he put stuff out there to get a reaction. It's like he has his own agenda.

Vmart wrote:The problem here is that Melo can't fetch anything good in return. Bad contract one dimensional player. He shoots 42% he is a product of shots. There is no market for him. If there is it's going to be a bear market. Only thing I can see Phil getting for Melo is cap space. That would be a good move. I don't think we are going to get much for him because he is diminishing player with a bad contract.

Thing is he makes a certain amount so we will get something. Thing is we aren't gong to get back a current all star. We will get back serviceable pieces.... we hope as fans that we get youth and a pick

EnySpree wrote:

Andrew wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bobby Marks on The Vertical Podcast with Chris Mannix:

I’ve talked to a lot of teams, and it’s not just the media that he’s not out in the public with. He’s not an easy man to get in touch with. If you’re going to try to make a trade proposal with the Knicks, you’re not going to Phil Jackson. You’re going to Steve Mills. And that’s how it’s been for teams in the trade process.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/27/teams-not-easily-reaching-phil-jackson-for-trade-calls-settling-for-steve-mills/

So teams are calling the Knicks? That's good. They need to communicate with Mills? So what? You think he doesn't pass it along to Phil? Phil has not said a word about Melo or really anything. How are people saying he is devaluing players?

This is my thing. Everyone is getting mad and excited about reports from a media that never had a clue what they are talking about. They haven't been right about Phil from day one. They never know what he's doing until he does it.

Also Mills is the General Manager. That's his job to communicate with trans about trades, not Phil. I wish guys would cut it out. As I said before on here..... fans want the drama. That's what's fun to then, not the knicks.

Bottom line.... Phil knows what he's doing. Attention needs to be placed on how we can build going forward. Melo is at the end of his career. We should not be trying to build around him anymore. We could stand pat and do nothing and still be alright. We want to maximize our assets and prepare for the draft and the off season. That's what this is about.

Good post and well said.

These writers just come up with stuff so they have something to put out for people to read.

nyknickzingis wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Who said this is happening?

Yes, all rumors. Biggest take away from this is not the possible trade rumors but that Phil is willing to, yet again. make a deal where we get nothing in return. And yes, I know, we get cap space. Is that what we hired the great Phil Jackson for? Salary dumps? Any GM could have done that. And if cap space is so important, how does Noah's 17M help that for the next 4 years? Rose's 21M this year? Could have really used it to help get a couple of role players that would at least compliment our two stars?

Phil has definitely let down in free agency. Knicks are not a contender so it's hard for Phil to convince top free agents to sign. He will continue to struggle to do that.

Where capspace can help is the Knicks can maybe get some younger quality role players. Hope Phil has learned his lesson. Maybe he has maybe he has not. I don't know.

I hope we get something good for Melo or we keep him. I like Melo. I think we must spilt up Rose and Melo. Their chemistry sucks and it's no good for KP to be the lost man in that trio. Here's the issue. Rose is 28 so almost 5 years younger than Melo. He also is a free agent. You will get more for Melo.

Still I would not trade Melo away for peanuts and cap space. I want to get a good young player, or one good draft pick. Austin Rivers and cap space is not enough.

Would agree with you. Lets hope so. It will be too bad though, really thought we could win and still can if we did somthing about our need for PG, move Rose to 2nd unit, move KP to 5 and Melo to 4 and Let anyone but Noah in the lineup. Even with these issues we have had 8 games that could have gone the other way. Now gots to go. Going to game tonight!! Hope Melo is still in uniform. lol

At this point I still feel the Knicks are doing due dilligence than anything else.
Melo was in trade talks last year at deadline
What we need to do is look, shop. Be patient and wise. Keeping Melo is hardly a bad thing. He is a good big bro to KP. I just want Rose gone from the team ASAP if Melo stays. Let Melo/KP be the top 2 rest of the season with a PG that will pass and set them up. Work hard on defense.

Horny BtW texted Melo and said he deserves to be an all star. I don't think Horny has a problem with Melo at all.

Melo may not be a superstar but he is far from the problem with this team. We need better defence, more ball movement and team work. He can do it with KP but we need unselfish teammates that defend around them (No Rose, No BJ). And we need to move KP to 5 and Melo to 4 when they play together.

If you want to teach KP on how to be content, then I suggest you keep Melo around.

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Andrew wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bobby Marks on The Vertical Podcast with Chris Mannix:

I’ve talked to a lot of teams, and it’s not just the media that he’s not out in the public with. He’s not an easy man to get in touch with. If you’re going to try to make a trade proposal with the Knicks, you’re not going to Phil Jackson. You’re going to Steve Mills. And that’s how it’s been for teams in the trade process.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/27/teams-not-easily-reaching-phil-jackson-for-trade-calls-settling-for-steve-mills/

So teams are calling the Knicks? That's good. They need to communicate with Mills? So what? You think he doesn't pass it along to Phil? Phil has not said a word about Melo or really anything. How are people saying he is devaluing players?

This is my thing. Everyone is getting mad and excited about reports from a media that never had a clue what they are talking about. They haven't been right about Phil from day one. They never know what he's doing until he does it.

Also Mills is the General Manager. That's his job to communicate with trans about trades, not Phil. I wish guys would cut it out. As I said before on here..... fans want the drama. That's what's fun to then, not the knicks.

Bottom line.... Phil knows what he's doing. Attention needs to be placed on how we can build going forward. Melo is at the end of his career. We should not be trying to build around him anymore. We could stand pat and do nothing and still be alright. We want to maximize our assets and prepare for the draft and the off season. That's what this is about.

Good post and well said.

These writers just come up with stuff so they have something to put out for people to read.

I hope you are right but Wojo isn't a guy known for making things up. It isn't just NY beat writers saying this stuff.

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Andrew wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bobby Marks on The Vertical Podcast with Chris Mannix:

I’ve talked to a lot of teams, and it’s not just the media that he’s not out in the public with. He’s not an easy man to get in touch with. If you’re going to try to make a trade proposal with the Knicks, you’re not going to Phil Jackson. You’re going to Steve Mills. And that’s how it’s been for teams in the trade process.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/27/teams-not-easily-reaching-phil-jackson-for-trade-calls-settling-for-steve-mills/

So teams are calling the Knicks? That's good. They need to communicate with Mills? So what? You think he doesn't pass it along to Phil? Phil has not said a word about Melo or really anything. How are people saying he is devaluing players?

This is my thing. Everyone is getting mad and excited about reports from a media that never had a clue what they are talking about. They haven't been right about Phil from day one. They never know what he's doing until he does it.

Also Mills is the General Manager. That's his job to communicate with trans about trades, not Phil. I wish guys would cut it out. As I said before on here..... fans want the drama. That's what's fun to then, not the knicks.

Bottom line.... Phil knows what he's doing. Attention needs to be placed on how we can build going forward. Melo is at the end of his career. We should not be trying to build around him anymore. We could stand pat and do nothing and still be alright. We want to maximize our assets and prepare for the draft and the off season. That's what this is about.

Good post and well said.

These writers just come up with stuff so they have something to put out for people to read.

I hope you are right but Wojo isn't a guy known for making things up. It isn't just NY beat writers saying this stuff.

Wojo and Stein are the benchmarks.... what are they saying?

Wojo is the guy who made the report yesterday about the Clippers and Celtics supposedly being involved - or at least the Knicks contacted them. But Wojo made that report, so you have to think it's legit.

I get the feeling even if Knicks agree to something, Melo isn't accepting. The Boston Celtics paid Al Horford Melo money (and more). Anyone want Al? There are far worse players on worse contracts. Melo's contract expires when KP will be 23. It's perfect time for KP to either show he is ready to be the man, and take his spot, or someone else to. I am open to trading Melo, but I do not see it an absolute or a bad thing if he stays. What I think is a must is we must stop starting Noah, we must split up Rose/Melo ASAP. We should be shopping for a veteran steady point guard BAD. We probably aren't seeing as this coaching staff is still starting Noah and still allowing Rose to play as if he's MVP Rose.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Andrew wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bobby Marks on The Vertical Podcast with Chris Mannix:

I’ve talked to a lot of teams, and it’s not just the media that he’s not out in the public with. He’s not an easy man to get in touch with. If you’re going to try to make a trade proposal with the Knicks, you’re not going to Phil Jackson. You’re going to Steve Mills. And that’s how it’s been for teams in the trade process.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/27/teams-not-easily-reaching-phil-jackson-for-trade-calls-settling-for-steve-mills/

So teams are calling the Knicks? That's good. They need to communicate with Mills? So what? You think he doesn't pass it along to Phil? Phil has not said a word about Melo or really anything. How are people saying he is devaluing players?

This is my thing. Everyone is getting mad and excited about reports from a media that never had a clue what they are talking about. They haven't been right about Phil from day one. They never know what he's doing until he does it.

Also Mills is the General Manager. That's his job to communicate with trans about trades, not Phil. I wish guys would cut it out. As I said before on here..... fans want the drama. That's what's fun to then, not the knicks.

Bottom line.... Phil knows what he's doing. Attention needs to be placed on how we can build going forward. Melo is at the end of his career. We should not be trying to build around him anymore. We could stand pat and do nothing and still be alright. We want to maximize our assets and prepare for the draft and the off season. That's what this is about.

Good post and well said.

These writers just come up with stuff so they have something to put out for people to read.

I hope you are right but Wojo isn't a guy known for making things up. It isn't just NY beat writers saying this stuff.

Wojo and Stein are the benchmarks.... what are they saying?

Wojo is the guy who made the report yesterday about the Clippers and Celtics supposedly being involved - or at least the Knicks contacted them. But Wojo made that report, so you have to think it's legit.

Stein saying the Knicks and Clips are looking for a third team to make the deal work.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18569169/new-york-knicks-los-angeles-clippers-seeking-third-trade-partner

I don't know if I like that trade. I'm not sure.

In some ways, I think it'd be better for the Knicks to rebuild.

And I'd also like to see Melo get a real chance in the playoffs - a team with Blake, CP3, DeAndre, and Melo? That's pretty damn good.

I'm not sure it's a good move and I don't like how Phil has handled this at all. He's made it public and messy when it didn't have to be. It feels like Phil is actively trying to sabotage the team - he's come out and said stuff about Melo in December, the Rosen column a few weeks ago, and then the trade rumors leaked...