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1/26/2017  3:23 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Blake for Melo would be ideal

We'd have to trade Rose first, because Blake and Rose are both Max Rookie exception players or something - meaning they both qualify for max deals worth 30% of the cap, rather than the traditional 25%. And it's a rule you can't have two of those on a roster.

If there ends up being a quiz dammit....

seriously - that read like the NFL rules on what constitutes a catch...

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1/26/2017  3:25 PM
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
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1/26/2017  3:30 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
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newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
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1/26/2017  4:09 PM
smackeddog wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

Doesn't our buddy Ray Fatton play with the Clips??
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1/26/2017  4:14 PM
smackeddog wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

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1/26/2017  4:18 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

You have NO clue what Phil wants to do or is going to do. Phil runs a very tight ship so most of these rumors are bs. Why don't you wait until a trade is done before you bash Phil again.

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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knicks1248 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
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1/26/2017  4:22 PM
I just hope this isn't a repeat of the ending trade
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newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

No ones giving up expiring contracts for melo, he's not the missing piece on any of the 2 teams on his list. We just won 17 games a yr and a half ago, in which the rebuilding was suppose to start.

You don't rebuild with 80% of your roster being 23yr or less. KP is not a franchise player, he's a option 2 at this point. With no other big time scorer on the roster (well go see cousins and Anthony davis) and see how far they have come since they been in the league.

No leadership and vets, your asking to be a very bad team for a very long time.

You went out and traded for Rose, and the biggest reason was because melo ask for that..and now you want to trade him 4 months later..

be patient and let a roster grow for more than a season

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newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.
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1/26/2017  4:38 PM
If Clippers aren't trading any of their big 3 to anyone in such a deal with us, then what deal could possibly be of value to us?
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CrushAlot wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

exactly my point..

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1/26/2017  5:46 PM
Need to look at if Boston is willing to do Crowder, Amir, and Zeller for Melo. Opens up cap room for the Knicks this summer and gives them a good 2-way core player in Crowder.
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1/26/2017  5:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2017  5:58 PM
If the Celtics are involved, we are not getting the Brooklyn picks outright BUT could arrange pick swaps for this draft and 2018. I like this idea because it will give us the opportunity to build a competitive team without fear of playing ourselves out of an elite draft pick. That might mean more to us than having two first round picks in this years draft or next.
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1/26/2017  5:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2017  5:52 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

exactly my point..


The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).
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1/26/2017  5:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2017  6:01 PM
TPercy wrote:If Clippers aren't trading any of their big 3 to anyone in such a deal with us, then what deal could possibly be of value to us?

If they do something dumb- which Doc Rivers is prone to do- and send us multiple unprotected picks that are far into the future, I'd take it. The Pistons accepted that type of deal for Otis Thorpe and wound up selecting 2nd in the 2003 draft, fresh off a championshil, with the possibility of selecting prime-Dwayne Wade, prime-Carmelo Anthony or prime-Chris Bosh. No, a scenario like that might not pay immediate dividends but could mean a great deal to us moving forward should we keep those picks or elect to trade them before they are made. Those type of blue chips assets could lead to us bringing in a disgruntled star to pair with KP and hopefully who ever we select with our own pick in 2017/2018.
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joec32033 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Andrew wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

exactly my point..


The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).

Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.
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smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful. Reddick said he didn't like ny last time he was traded but you could pass him on to another team for a pick (he's expiring). Rivers is not worth taking on Crawford for. Awful trade.

I'm happy with any Boston deal- picks or players I'd be happy with either.


Then you better plan to be furious.

Knicks have zero leverage. Melo will only waive his NTC to go to a large market with "branding" opportunities, a chance to win and to get all his money with the trade kicker. The NTC is bad enough, the trade kicker is brutal.

Melo can say No and sulk until Jackson has no choice but to move him for pennies on the dollar to the Clippers.

Knicks can little now, or wait until Melo sulks and tries to poison the lockerroom to get out, in which case the Knicks little leverage weakens and they get even less.

Pennies on the dollar, the Knicks are not getting good assets here in return. They don't have the leverage to do so. The ONLY thing the Knicks have in their favor is the deadline itself. If not by then, a team hoping to push hard will have lost their best opportunity. That's it, that's all the Knicks have, a crunch against time working for them.

If the Knicks wait until the offseason, they risk Melo getting hurt ( and his trade value goes to zero) and he'll be a little bit older and teams will consider FA instead of a trade.

Trading him now for 25 cents on the dollar is better than trading him at the deadline for 15 cents on the dollar which is better than trading him in the offseason for about 8 cents on the dollar.

Knicks will have to bit the bullet and take in at least one bad contract.
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