He made some mistakes for sure. But, again not his fault his draft pick was moved by Grunwald, in one of the worst moves we have ever seen. He also didn't have the benefit of a draft pick in because of Isiah. You have to be ******* not to protect a pick.

Our lowest win percentage in history was under Isiah

MS wrote:Phils great moves
Willy
Kuz
Galloway
Thomas (First time around)
Holiday
KOQ
KP

He made some mistakes for sure. But, again not his fault his draft pick was moved by Grunwald, in one of the worst moves we have ever seen. He also didn't have the benefit of a draft pick in because of Isiah. You have to be ******* not to protect a pick.

Our lowest win percentage in history was under Isiah

Calling any of those moves great outside of KP is a stretch. They're solid personnel moves. Galloway left. Lance is signed for too much money. Knicks have good scouting in Spain, thankfully

MS wrote:This thread is a joke.

Isiah was one of the worst GMs in NBA history.

Jerome James on a 5 year deal at 30MM - played on season
Eddy Curry - worst trade in NBA history, 2 number 1 picks that Noah and Aldrige for a guy that was to fat and stupid to contribute
Jamal Crawford - 37MM for Jerome Williams to overpay a 6th man
Channing Frye - over Granger and Bynum
Kurt Thomas - useful role player for QRich and his 58MM deal for the rights to Nate Robinson
Marty Collins - over Rondo and Lowry
Nazar Mohomed - expiring deal for the 29th pick, and Malik Rose. 9MM in salary for two years for a pick that could be bought for 3MM
Jared Jefferies - full mid level
Moving Ariza for Steve Francis

Trading a draft selection for mo taylor

Quite possibly the dumbest gm in the history of the league (outside of Billy King)

Thank you, finally someone who remembers the actual Isiah era and filth that he dragged us through. All because he wanted a backcourt of Marbury and Stevie Franchise. One dumb starfukk outdone in its stupidity only by the next. Two first round picks for Eddy Curry - and we are comparing Phil to this number 1 entry in the dumb@$$ HOF?

Knixkik wrote:Phil has made short term risks without mortgaging the future. And he's hit it out of the park in the draft. There's no comparison. And he didn't have a 2014 or 2016 pick to work with.

phil gets a lot of crap but he had basically no picks.Add @ top 10 picks to this team they are better

Bonn1997 wrote:

Welpee wrote:I say no for two reasons: 1) Phil didn't toss our future in the toilet trading picks; 2) drafting KP trumps any draft pick or trade Isiah made.

At this point it's too early to say. But two things: Isiah did also acquire a few 1st round picks and he didn't hand out as many large, bad contracts as Phil has. If KP becomes a superstar, yes, that trumps anything Isiah did though.

MS wrote:Marty Collins - over Rondo and Lowry

knicks1248 wrote:Phil may be worse,

Thomas atleast made the playoffs, and would have prob had more success if the Houston & marbury back court came together, but he came into salary cap hell, and started making lateral trades Like Tim Thomas for KVH, the Curry signing, and the Francis trade killed him, the law suit put him 6 feet deep.

Phil dumps players, like taking out the trash, 60+ players in 3 1/2 years. Then he had the nerve to call walsh's roster CLUMSY..

He has this Rosen character like a fckng ventriloquist on his lap...Phil is really becoming all the way wack and just lame.

It's not even close. Phil actually put together a team with more than enough talent to be winning games but just don't want it enough and we have all of our draft picks which is the most valuable thing to have for a team. We're not winning games and you can put some of that on Phil but all you have to do is watch these guys play and it's easy to see more of the blame is on the players then anything else. D.Rose's defense is worse then Melo's and that's really saying something.

One more time. Layden was a neophyte and I doubt had the power to take on Dice contract. It was a starphuch, but one that had purpose. It didn't work.
With little draft picks, Layden treaded water until the team was boring but was still a year from clearing the decks of bad contracts. Ewing had forced his hand and some bad trades were made.
They were compounded by the lack of picks and yoots to develop.
Isiah took that and instead being patient, leveraged it up. Marbury and Eddy? Eddy cost us Lamarcus and Noah. In prime.

2007: Isiah had leveraged his picks and this was the result:

23-59.

The good news is you suck, you get a good draft pick. Nope, not Isiahs's knicks! Who makes a trade, does not protect the picks, and DOES WORSE FOR IT? Isiah.
Drama? Phil's public bashing is about ball movement. Are you phil haters that thin skinned? In that CBS interview he also complimented Melo.

The Charley Rosen proxy? Is he the mouthpiece of Phil? Maybe. ANd if so, is he wrong? or is it insensitive? Phil is to "Blame" to have given him the NTC. In my mind Melo has been what he always has been and does his thing. If we want him gone, this is what has to happen. Melo has to want to leave.

Back to Isiah:

Often, perhaps you have space for free agency. Nope, not Isiah's knicks. Here is the payroll TEN YEARS AGO. Look at the disparity of the knicks and EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!!

Team Payrolls 2007-2008
Team Payroll
1. New York Knicks $117,024,192
2. Dallas Mavericks $88,531,846
3. Los Angeles Lakers $77,099,949
4. Portland Trailblazers $75,026,386
5. Philadelphia 76ers $69,140,163
6. Minnesota Timberwolves $66,788,931
7. Phoenix Suns $65,399,240
8. Denver Nuggets $65,370,484
9. San Antonio Spurs $65,327,646
10. Golden State Warriors $64,985,588
11. New Jersey Nets $64,372,808
12. Sacramento Kings $63,975,244
13. Houston Rockets $63,837,566
14. Miami Heat $63,786,777
15. Milwaukee Bucks $63,498,518
16. Indiana Pacers $63,118,965
17. Cleveland Cavaliers $62,992,729
18. Washington Wizards $62,733,705
19. Boston Celtics $62,622,805
20. Utah Jazz $61,930,567
21. Memphis Grizzlies $61,773,025
22. Orlando Magic $61,013,311
23. Los Angeles Clippers $59,057,690
24. Detroit Pistons $58,767,602
25. Seattle Sonics $56,931,964
26. Chicago Bulls $54,754,904
27. New Orleans Hornets $53,711,107
28. Toronto Raptors $50,581,694
29. Atlanta Hawks $48,456,234
30. Charlotte Bobcats $41,689,161

I think our payroll this year at 103mm is 12th in the league. Our payroll that year was 32% higher than the next team. Look at how fast the payroll drops after the top 4. Bigly!!!!
This was perhaps the worst season of any team in the history of professional sports regarding the ratio of payroll to wins, and the deviation from the mean of the rest of the league!!!!!

Any anger toward Phil in the current state cannot even scratch the surface. Phil's rebuild yielded KP6. Last year we paid in arrears for Bargnani. While we are far from happy, one cannot even begin to compare the depths of Isiah on court performance as president and GM of the knicks to what Phil has done in his third season.

meloshouldgo wrote:

MS wrote:This thread is a joke.

Isiah was one of the worst GMs in NBA history.

Jerome James on a 5 year deal at 30MM - played on season
Eddy Curry - worst trade in NBA history, 2 number 1 picks that Noah and Aldrige for a guy that was to fat and stupid to contribute
Jamal Crawford - 37MM for Jerome Williams to overpay a 6th man
Channing Frye - over Granger and Bynum
Kurt Thomas - useful role player for QRich and his 58MM deal for the rights to Nate Robinson
Marty Collins - over Rondo and Lowry
Nazar Mohomed - expiring deal for the 29th pick, and Malik Rose. 9MM in salary for two years for a pick that could be bought for 3MM
Jared Jefferies - full mid level
Moving Ariza for Steve Francis

Trading a draft selection for mo taylor

Quite possibly the dumbest gm in the history of the league (outside of Billy King)

Thank you, finally someone who remembers the actual Isiah era and filth that he dragged us through. All because he wanted a backcourt of Marbury and Stevie Franchise. One dumb starfukk outdone in its stupidity only by the next. Two first round picks for Eddy Curry - and we are comparing Phil to this number 1 entry in the dumb@$$ HOF?

They are running Neck and Neck in my book, they just have different ways of turning the franchise into a completely laughing stock

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Welpee wrote:I say no for two reasons: 1) Phil didn't toss our future in the toilet trading picks; 2) drafting KP trumps any draft pick or trade Isiah made.

At this point it's too early to say. But two things: Isiah did also acquire a few 1st round picks and he didn't hand out as many large, bad contracts as Phil has. If KP becomes a superstar, yes, that trumps anything Isiah did though.

The only reason Isiah didn't hand out as many bad contracts is because he never had any cap room because of his trades acquiring guys with bad contracts. When he did have cap space his big signing was Jerome James for big money (at the time) based off a solid 11 game playoff run.