nixluva wrote:

Nalod wrote:

TLover wrote:Willy G could be that 4th star if given the opportunity. So no I wouldn't make that deal.
Keep draft picks and develop your own.

Im really not quite sure what his upside is. Also I can't comment on Portlands commitment to Plumlee. Seems redundant to have Willy and Plumlee. Both offensively not great away from the basket.

I can tell you right now that both Willy and Plumlee are not as bad as you think shooting the ball. They have the beginning of a future reliable jump shot. They both only need more work and to gain confidence in their shooting. They are probably like KOQ in that they should be able to expand their range in time. In fact Willy is closer than some may think with his jumper. It's all about confidence. I like both Willy and Plumlee for this team's future.

Im talking about Mason Plumlee in Portland. Trades are not one way streets. I like our Marshall Plumlee just fine and think he is a keeper.
I like Willy, but there will be other picks and players in our future and if he can return a player that can take us further, Im confident nobody is that untouchable.
Have to consider he is buds with KP, and the outlook of our finances are to be considered. When either KOQ or Noah are hurt, he gets the minutes.
MarshalL plumlee has that great "Thank you sir, may I have another" smile on his face when playing and hope he too is part of our future.

Willy isn't going anywhere.

BRIGGS wrote:Willy G 2 #1 picks top 5 restricted for C J McCollum. That would give us Rose KP Melo and CJ--that 4th star would make us a team that would be able to compete evenly with Cleveland. We could move Lee to 6th man I dont think Portland is going to make that work.

Just say "NO" to trading picks. Stop being such a flop-flopper on our future.

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.

Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.

There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.

This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.

We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.

Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.

I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.

Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.

Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.

Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.

Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.

Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.

There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.

This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.

We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.

Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.

I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.

Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.

Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.

Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.

Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.

Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.

"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.

Nalod wrote:Symptom has to have a cause.
Was it muscular from a fall? Or spinal stenosis causing a vertebrae structure abnormality?
Big difference. Gustav has the answer, but does not know the question. More whistle in the graveyard.

Nalod got into Phil's Triangle OG stash. My point is that we dont know what is causing this symptom. It could be nothing, it could be everything. But few seem bothered that its happening at all. Considering the track record of the player we are discussing getting a max deal, Nalod and friends are doing bong hits in the graveyard.

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.

Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.

There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.

This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.

We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.

Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.

I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.

Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.

Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.

Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.

Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.

Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.

"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.

Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.

Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.

There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.

This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.

We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.

Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.

I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.

Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.

Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.

Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.

Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.

Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.

"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.

Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.

Rose said he was fully recovered, if he wasnt, the injury was more serious than he let on. Might go away, might not. Just one more reason to think twice about a long term deal.