PJax called out his actions and character not his race. The KING should be ashamed of himself. He got called out and then played the race card...

As if anything Phil says is going to stop Lebron from making the Billion Dollars that he is after!

Knixkik wrote:Seems like Maverick and LeBron are a little too sensitive. Phil meant nothing derogatory by the comment. Lebron has a huge crew of guys who travel with him. Each of them was given a unique opportunity which they took advantage of. Being associated with LeBron is a fail-proof opportunity. Maverick Carter comes across as butt-hurt that Phil doesn't respect him as an independently successful business-person, which he is not, and is trying to add the racial undertone to escalate it into more than it is. Whether you call these guys a posse, entourage, or whatever, it is what it is. LeBron even has a guy nicknamed "Bags" who is known only as such across the NBA, for being Lebron's bag guy. I mean come on. Word choice aside, did Phil really say anything inaccurate? Phil was insinuating that LeBron's friends are riding his coat-tails to success. There is nothing else to that statement or choice of words.

Why isn't he? Maybe that is what LeBron is talking about.

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:wow! when my wife and I first heard the quote we were offended - but keep in mind the CONTEXT of things.

I don't get why you would feel offended. Here is the context:

"It had to hurt when they lost LeBron," Jackson said. "That was definitely a slap in the face. But there were a lot of little things that came out of that. When LeBron was playing with the Heat, they went to Cleveland, and he wanted to spend the night. They don't do overnights. Teams just don't. So now [coach Erik] Spoelstra has to text Riley and say, 'What do I do in this situation?' And Pat, who has iron-fist rules, answers, 'You are on the plane. You are with this team.' You can't hold up the whole team because you and your mom and your posse want to spend an extra night in Cleveland.

The context suggests that Phil was talking about the people LeBron was hanging out with, including his family (mom).

Why were you offended by this?

I've always had 2 definitions of the word posse. One was the old, western type, the other describes a group of friends or people that hang out together.

exactly, this is stupid, any goup of friend and fam are consider

definition

pos·se.

[ˈpäsē]

NOUN

1.
US

historical

a body of men, typically armed, summoned by a sheriff to enforce the law.

•
BRIT.

historical

the body of men in a county whom the sheriff could summon to enforce the law.

•
informal

a group of people who have a common characteristic, occupation, or purpose:

"he pompously led around a posse of medical students"

synonyms: gang · band · group · crowd · pack · horde · herd ·
[more]

•
informal

a group of people who socialize together, especially to go to clubs or raves.

How in the hell that could have anything to do with race shows how shallow Labron is, and im a black American..

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:wow! when my wife and I first heard the quote we were offended - but keep in mind the CONTEXT of things.

I don't get why you would feel offended. Here is the context:

"It had to hurt when they lost LeBron," Jackson said. "That was definitely a slap in the face. But there were a lot of little things that came out of that. When LeBron was playing with the Heat, they went to Cleveland, and he wanted to spend the night. They don't do overnights. Teams just don't. So now [coach Erik] Spoelstra has to text Riley and say, 'What do I do in this situation?' And Pat, who has iron-fist rules, answers, 'You are on the plane. You are with this team.' You can't hold up the whole team because you and your mom and your posse want to spend an extra night in Cleveland.

The context suggests that Phil was talking about the people LeBron was hanging out with, including his family (mom).

Why were you offended by this?

I've always had 2 definitions of the word posse. One was the old, western type, the other describes a group of friends or people that hang out together.

exactly, this is stupid, any goup of friend and fam are consider

definition

pos·se.

[ˈpäsē]

NOUN

1.
US

historical

a body of men, typically armed, summoned by a sheriff to enforce the law.

•
BRIT.

historical

the body of men in a county whom the sheriff could summon to enforce the law.

•
informal

a group of people who have a common characteristic, occupation, or purpose:

"he pompously led around a posse of medical students"

synonyms: gang · band · group · crowd · pack · horde · herd ·
[more]

•
informal

a group of people who socialize together, especially to go to clubs or raves.

How in the hell that could have anything to do with race shows how shallow Labron is, and im a black American..

well according to that quote those damn medical students walking around pompously is the problem, we should go after the medical profession

NYKBocker wrote:Never knew posse has racist undertones. I am really getting old.

You need a unique upbringing to understand such nuances..From my experiences the term "Posse" and today's understanding of what it means came from Jamaica..All the immigrant rude boys from Jamaica in Brooklyn doing dirty wanted to be known as a posse..The term came from a powerful Jamaican gang called the "Shower Posse" which started in the 1970s..It controlled territory in Jamaica and part of the government with a political wing..It had a huge presence in North America..It was even said to have CIA ties...The current leader Chris "Duda", son of the original leader, was extradited to the US a few years ago..Obama wanted him and shut down all immigration from Jamaica for a few days until the government turned him over..Businessmen from Jamaica were showing up at JFK and getting turn back before the government folded..The US intercepted cell phone conversations between Chis "Duda", who was in hiding from the US at the time, and the Prime Minister of Jamaica..The US demanded they turn him over and he arrested in Jamaica, in a cab, wearing a woman's wig and dress..He was tipped off the police/military was coming and they had no choice..He is currently in jail in the US some where...This was Noriega type stuff..So from the black NY perspective, there it is...

So Phil, being around players over the years probably heard the term from his players and didn't understand it..Nor, do many here it seems...So put yourself in LeBron's shoes who has worked hard molding his image over the years hearing this from Phil...

Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Seems like Maverick and LeBron are a little too sensitive. Phil meant nothing derogatory by the comment. Lebron has a huge crew of guys who travel with him. Each of them was given a unique opportunity which they took advantage of. Being associated with LeBron is a fail-proof opportunity. Maverick Carter comes across as butt-hurt that Phil doesn't respect him as an independently successful business-person, which he is not, and is trying to add the racial undertone to escalate it into more than it is. Whether you call these guys a posse, entourage, or whatever, it is what it is. LeBron even has a guy nicknamed "Bags" who is known only as such across the NBA, for being Lebron's bag guy. I mean come on. Word choice aside, did Phil really say anything inaccurate? Phil was insinuating that LeBron's friends are riding his coat-tails to success. There is nothing else to that statement or choice of words.

Why isn't he? Maybe that is what LeBron is talking about.

He is not independently successful. He is successful because LeBron gave him the opportunity. Everything he has earned, started with knowing LeBron. He has done well with the opportunity, but let's not kid ourselves. It is tough to fail as LeBron's business associate.

callmened wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:wow! when my wife and I first heard the quote we were offended - but keep in mind the CONTEXT of things.

I don't get why you would feel offended. Here is the context:

"It had to hurt when they lost LeBron," Jackson said. "That was definitely a slap in the face. But there were a lot of little things that came out of that. When LeBron was playing with the Heat, they went to Cleveland, and he wanted to spend the night. They don't do overnights. Teams just don't. So now [coach Erik] Spoelstra has to text Riley and say, 'What do I do in this situation?' And Pat, who has iron-fist rules, answers, 'You are on the plane. You are with this team.' You can't hold up the whole team because you and your mom and your posse want to spend an extra night in Cleveland.

The context suggests that Phil was talking about the people LeBron was hanging out with, including his family (mom).

Why were you offended by this?

I've always had 2 definitions of the word posse. One was the old, western type, the other describes a group of friends or people that hang out together.

exactly, this is stupid, any goup of friend and fam are consider

How in the hell that could have anything to do with race shows how shallow Labron is, and im a black American..

which reminds me! i have to be very careful in using the word "US". not all of "US" think the same way and thats great. knicks1248 is black and thinks differently. i completely respect that! but for some of us, were HIGHLY sensitive right now. it'll pass and we'll get over it.

but i'll never call how someone reacts to anything "stupid". its just the reality of how they react. it might be misinform, misinterpreted or misguided but i dont think its STUPID. cuz then youre referring to ME and MY STUPID response to initially hearing the quotes (i was offended). lol. when i put the emotion aside and thought rationally i realized that it was two things: poor choice of words + hyper-sensitive reactions (which hopefully people can understand why)

I refer to any group of friends as a posse, doesn't matter the nationality, if you travel in a group and your all about the same thing, that's your posse..

If phil say Justin beiber always traveling with his posse, which includes is manager, publicist, his friends, his barbar, would that be racist

If your rolling deep every where you go, it's either your posse on entourage..

knicks1248 wrote:

callmened wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:wow! when my wife and I first heard the quote we were offended - but keep in mind the CONTEXT of things.

I don't get why you would feel offended. Here is the context:

"It had to hurt when they lost LeBron," Jackson said. "That was definitely a slap in the face. But there were a lot of little things that came out of that. When LeBron was playing with the Heat, they went to Cleveland, and he wanted to spend the night. They don't do overnights. Teams just don't. So now [coach Erik] Spoelstra has to text Riley and say, 'What do I do in this situation?' And Pat, who has iron-fist rules, answers, 'You are on the plane. You are with this team.' You can't hold up the whole team because you and your mom and your posse want to spend an extra night in Cleveland.

The context suggests that Phil was talking about the people LeBron was hanging out with, including his family (mom).

Why were you offended by this?

I've always had 2 definitions of the word posse. One was the old, western type, the other describes a group of friends or people that hang out together.

exactly, this is stupid, any goup of friend and fam are consider

How in the hell that could have anything to do with race shows how shallow Labron is, and im a black American..

which reminds me! i have to be very careful in using the word "US". not all of "US" think the same way and thats great. knicks1248 is black and thinks differently. i completely respect that! but for some of us, were HIGHLY sensitive right now. it'll pass and we'll get over it.

but i'll never call how someone reacts to anything "stupid". its just the reality of how they react. it might be misinform, misinterpreted or misguided but i dont think its STUPID. cuz then youre referring to ME and MY STUPID response to initially hearing the quotes (i was offended). lol. when i put the emotion aside and thought rationally i realized that it was two things: poor choice of words + hyper-sensitive reactions (which hopefully people can understand why)

I refer to any group of friends as a posse, doesn't matter the nationality, if you travel in a group and your all about the same thing, that's your posse..

If phil say Justin beiber always traveling with his posse, which includes is manager, publicist, his friends, his barbar, would that be racist

If your rolling deep every where you go, it's either your posse on entourage..