GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Ever wonder why we don't hear what system Lebron's coaches use to win his rings and getting to six straight Finals with two completely different teams? People just accept that he's the best player in the league and it's led to him winning. Yet, Michael, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq - they could only win using the Triangle. Phil is so insecure about his coaching career that it has led to this. He needs to prove the Triangle above all else.

I dont believe Phil needed the Triangle to win all those rings. If anything it waters down his legacy to treat the Triangle as such a necessary ingredient to his success. The Triangle was just another tool in the toolbox for a great coach. Riley never got all OCD about his system(s), neither should Phil.

The theory I've heard is that Phil bristled at the idea that he won because of his great players and not his system. So he wants to prove the system works.

Hey, Phil is undisputedly a great coach. But this is a player's league and a superstar's sport. If you don't have a top five player in the league, you have almost zero chance of winning it all. Really you need a top five player and a second guy who is top ten to fifteen. Lebron and Kyrie. Steph and Klay and Draymond. Kawhi and Duncan. Lebron and Wade. Jordan and Pippen. Kobe and Pau. Kobe and Shaq. Shaq and Wade. That's the "system" that wins the most.

I think Phil could've won a ring using the Triangle with KD and Russ in OKC. But you need two top ten guys.

The list of teams that have won without two top ten guys in the past twenty years is Detroit and Dallas - and they just barely beat teams with two top ten guys.

hall-of-fame players- Rodman-pippen, Jordon, shaq, kobe, Gasol(will be)

He has been one of the worse presidents in the NBA

GustavBahler wrote:

jrodmc wrote:$12 million a year so he can fade into the bushes? Right. This is what you get with the Zenmaster.

He wants the triangle, but he knows 'today's players' don't:
1) have the rudimentary skills to learn it
2) have the desire to slow the game down (Thank you bang bang bang Steph Curry, and NFL fullback wide receiver LeBron)

So please just play it in your half court sets, should that ever happen to occur.

So if we could just stop people from scoring...we would never have to worry about running the triangle.

Quiet Eli. I dont want Phil to fade into the bushes. Would love for Phil to be a very visible presence, someone the players can go to for advice, or Phil can give advice to if he believes a player needs it. I believe Phil can have a positive influence on this team other than mandating what system they run, even when its clear that its not, nor will it ever be the best option. At that point you're hurting the team as much as you're helping it.

Yeah, I got it Winston; don't fade into the bushes, just be an overpaid giant fortune cookie. Tell the players all about how Clyde made out back in the day.
You believe Phil can have a positive influence? Like, drafting KP, keeping all of our first rounders, getting rid of a previous crop of head cases, even throw in a tank season bone to all the gm Hinkie wannabe's. That's a safe belief you have there.

He's still a coach first, and an executive second. Guy has huge ego and a belief in his pet system. Good for him.

It's interesting that Pop wins rings and is called a fucqin genius, but Phil wins twice as many and is still a stooge.

jrodmc wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

jrodmc wrote:$12 million a year so he can fade into the bushes? Right. This is what you get with the Zenmaster.

He wants the triangle, but he knows 'today's players' don't:
1) have the rudimentary skills to learn it
2) have the desire to slow the game down (Thank you bang bang bang Steph Curry, and NFL fullback wide receiver LeBron)

So please just play it in your half court sets, should that ever happen to occur.

So if we could just stop people from scoring...we would never have to worry about running the triangle.

Quiet Eli. I dont want Phil to fade into the bushes. Would love for Phil to be a very visible presence, someone the players can go to for advice, or Phil can give advice to if he believes a player needs it. I believe Phil can have a positive influence on this team other than mandating what system they run, even when its clear that its not, nor will it ever be the best option. At that point you're hurting the team as much as you're helping it.

Yeah, I got it Winston; don't fade into the bushes, just be an overpaid giant fortune cookie. Tell the players all about how Clyde made out back in the day.
You believe Phil can have a positive influence? Like, drafting KP, keeping all of our first rounders, getting rid of a previous crop of head cases, even throw in a tank season bone to all the gm Hinkie wannabe's. That's a safe belief you have there.

He's still a coach first, and an executive second. Guy has huge ego and a belief in his pet system. Good for him.

It's interesting that Pop wins rings and is called a fucqin genius, but Phil wins twice as many and is still a stooge.

You have a very cynical view of Phil's ability to mentor players. You might have noticed that I mentioned upthread the really good things Phil has done as far as building for future. If Phil really believes that he should approach the team as a coach, and not an executive, then that would explain our record since he took the job. The big decisions on coaching should be done by the HEAD COACH, and the executive decisions should be made by the highest ranking executive, which Phil is. Phil's job should be to help make Jeff's job easier. Phil giving the job of defense to one of his flunkies doesnt qualify.

Jmpasq wrote:

blkexec wrote:I haven't watched a full game yet, but I thought with Noah and KP, our lateral quickness will always be slower than the other teams, who usually have quicker players at those 3 spots (center, pf, sf). Then you add in Rose, who's trying to play injury free and you have 4 players on the court with slower lateral quickness to guard pick and rolls.

I always thought the team was better without Noah or KP in the starting lineup. If we want to succeed with Melo, I don't think those three should be on the court at the same time. Need to find a way to keep up the scoring, without having those three in the game (at the same time).

I think Melo should be on the 2nd unit, You want KP and Rose together. Let Melo shoot every time down the court on the 2nd team

That's not actually a terrible idea basketball-wise... it'll never happen obviously, but basketball-wise, I think I could get behind that.

dk7th wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

blkexec wrote:I haven't watched a full game yet, but I thought with Noah and KP, our lateral quickness will always be slower than the other teams, who usually have quicker players at those 3 spots (center, pf, sf). Then you add in Rose, who's trying to play injury free and you have 4 players on the court with slower lateral quickness to guard pick and rolls.

I always thought the team was better without Noah or KP in the starting lineup. If we want to succeed with Melo, I don't think those three should be on the court at the same time. Need to find a way to keep up the scoring, without having those three in the game (at the same time).

I think Melo should be on the 2nd unit, You want KP and Rose together. Let Melo shoot every time down the court on the 2nd team

+1 i have always advocated this move, sooner or later. dad melo starts, bad melo 6th man....

You have also advocated having Melo drawn and quartered, lol.

holfresh wrote:Phil might be angling for an exit with a big paycheck..

Has to know that Rambis was the last name anyone but Rambis wanted to hear as defensive coach. He isn't going to get a high profile job now with the Lakers. Buss's moves are starting to pay off, and Walton is going to be around for a while. Maybe he doesn't want to be around to see the team succeed with another system. Wouldnt surprise me at this point.