BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

anrst wrote:this is an isiah thomas type team. just parts. no fit. no plan.

I think the parts fit with the starters. DRose need to distribute better, so does Melo, but the pieces make sense.

The bench does not make sense though, which is a big problem.

But I think the starters can make sense in time - the Memphis game showed that, as did parts of the Detroit game.

Yeah a lot of this is a bit overstated. Yes the team has had a couple of putrid games but you can see how they COULD play much better if they get on the same page and develop some chemistry.

I do think that trying to force a strict Triangle is a mistake. This team is not ready to play like that exclusively. If I'm Jeff I would refuse to go out like that. I'd start putting in more of my own stuff cuz it makes no sense to have your own modern system that players like but hold it back just to try and make the players learn the Triangle at this point. If Rose and Noah were there for the entire preseason perhaps it would've made a huge difference but even then I still wouldn't run a primarily Triangle dominant offense with these players.

We have a bunch of guys that are natural PnR players and now for some reason Jeff isn't running PnR at the level he said he wanted to coming into the season. That doesn't make any sense. This is not to say you totally abandon the Triangle but there's really no reason to not be using all the stuff that Jeff ran that Steve Kerr was so impressed with that he said he stole some of his plays and was inspired by what he saw Jeff doing and brought that similar approach to GS.

THIS IS THE GUY I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING!!!

Part of what built Kerr's confidence and model for the job was watching Jeff Hornacek, his former 1988-89 Suns teammate, take over Phoenix last season and guide the Suns to a 48-34 season.

"Jeff and I are pretty similar personalities," Kerr said. "There's a lot of fire inside, but pretty calm and laid-back at the same time. I think players appreciate that. You don't want a huge emotional ride every single day, but you've got to have some direction and some fire. So I looked at Jeff and the job he did last year and the success he had, and I drew inspiration from that. I still watch him and watch his team with a lot of respect. They do a lot of really innovative things offensively, and they play hard."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2014/11/09/warriors-kerr-sees-suns-hornacek-coaching-model/18785505/

nixluva--they coach in many cases are as good as the players. There is a lot of things wrong personnel wise and its been evident as weve been blowout 3 times pre eason 3 times regular season. Really if we get smoked out tomorrow --Id honestly think about changing some of these players whether it be line up or even trade. You cant continue to get blown out and say oh well be good--nope we better bring it from now on and show some pride. We were not even competitive at home against Rockets.

Remember that Jeff INSPIRED Kerr. The way Jeff was coaching his teams was NOTHING like what we've seen so far. The so called BLEND is all wrong right now. Jeff talked about pushing the pace and EARLY OFFENSE. He talked about more PnR and a spread floor. THe spacing has been bad and they aren't running enough PnR. It's just not what Jeff likes to do.

When you watched MDA he was 100% running his offense. It was 100% PURE and uncut. Jeff can't do that here with Phil in charge, but surely he can run MUCH more of his stuff than this. That's what we were promised.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

anrst wrote:this is an isiah thomas type team. just parts. no fit. no plan.

I think the parts fit with the starters. DRose need to distribute better, so does Melo, but the pieces make sense.

The bench does not make sense though, which is a big problem.

But I think the starters can make sense in time - the Memphis game showed that, as did parts of the Detroit game.

Yeah a lot of this is a bit overstated. Yes the team has had a couple of putrid games but you can see how they COULD play much better if they get on the same page and develop some chemistry.

I do think that trying to force a strict Triangle is a mistake. This team is not ready to play like that exclusively. If I'm Jeff I would refuse to go out like that. I'd start putting in more of my own stuff cuz it makes no sense to have your own modern system that players like but hold it back just to try and make the players learn the Triangle at this point. If Rose and Noah were there for the entire preseason perhaps it would've made a huge difference but even then I still wouldn't run a primarily Triangle dominant offense with these players.

We have a bunch of guys that are natural PnR players and now for some reason Jeff isn't running PnR at the level he said he wanted to coming into the season. That doesn't make any sense. This is not to say you totally abandon the Triangle but there's really no reason to not be using all the stuff that Jeff ran that Steve Kerr was so impressed with that he said he stole some of his plays and was inspired by what he saw Jeff doing and brought that similar approach to GS.

THIS IS THE GUY I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING!!!

Part of what built Kerr's confidence and model for the job was watching Jeff Hornacek, his former 1988-89 Suns teammate, take over Phoenix last season and guide the Suns to a 48-34 season.

"Jeff and I are pretty similar personalities," Kerr said. "There's a lot of fire inside, but pretty calm and laid-back at the same time. I think players appreciate that. You don't want a huge emotional ride every single day, but you've got to have some direction and some fire. So I looked at Jeff and the job he did last year and the success he had, and I drew inspiration from that. I still watch him and watch his team with a lot of respect. They do a lot of really innovative things offensively, and they play hard."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2014/11/09/warriors-kerr-sees-suns-hornacek-coaching-model/18785505/

nixluva--they coach in many cases are as good as the players. There is a lot of things wrong personnel wise and its been evident as weve been blowout 3 times pre eason 3 times regular season. Really if we get smoked out tomorrow --Id honestly think about changing some of these players whether it be line up or even trade. You cant continue to get blown out and say oh well be good--nope we better bring it from now on and show some pride. We were not even competitive at home against Rockets.

I understand what you're trying to say but I disagree. This isn't about the actual talent, but rather how it's being used. How these players have absorbed or not absorbed what they've been coached. I think Jeff needs to be Jeff and not move closer to being Phil/Rambis. What it looks like to me is that the Knicks are playing more of a Phil/Rambis style as opposed to doing the things he was successful doing.

Remember that Jeff INSPIRED Kerr. The way Jeff was coaching his teams was NOTHING like what we've seen so far. The so called BLEND is all wrong right now. Jeff talked about pushing the pace and EARLY OFFENSE. He talked about more PnR and a spread floor. THe spacing has been bad and they aren't running enough PnR. It's just not what Jeff likes to do.

When you watched MDA he was 100% running his offense. It was 100% PURE and uncut. Jeff can't do that here with Phil in charge, but surely he can run MUCH more of his stuff than this. That's what we were promised.

Nixluva--think about guarding the Knicks

You have a NON 3 pt shooting PG who isnt the best passer. Excellent player going to the rim and hes going to have his 11/16 days but that wont happen every game

You have a non scoring 5

You have a slow SF who doesnt move much great streak shooter and can play in and out

You have a 7-2 guy who still sits to far from the basket to many times. At the minimum if you have Noah high passing KP should look to post much more?

So if youre guarding the team--you stay on Melo and Lee--live with KP taking 28 footers and then you play off Noah and Rose. Noah you can hedge off ever play and Rose you want to force him into traffic where he has no passing lanes. I dont think were a naturally well spaced offense bcuz of the roster.
Its not a fast paced team either. I mean we have 2 7 footers and a slow SF

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

anrst wrote:this is an isiah thomas type team. just parts. no fit. no plan.

I think the parts fit with the starters. DRose need to distribute better, so does Melo, but the pieces make sense.

The bench does not make sense though, which is a big problem.

But I think the starters can make sense in time - the Memphis game showed that, as did parts of the Detroit game.

Yeah a lot of this is a bit overstated. Yes the team has had a couple of putrid games but you can see how they COULD play much better if they get on the same page and develop some chemistry.

I do think that trying to force a strict Triangle is a mistake. This team is not ready to play like that exclusively. If I'm Jeff I would refuse to go out like that. I'd start putting in more of my own stuff cuz it makes no sense to have your own modern system that players like but hold it back just to try and make the players learn the Triangle at this point. If Rose and Noah were there for the entire preseason perhaps it would've made a huge difference but even then I still wouldn't run a primarily Triangle dominant offense with these players.

We have a bunch of guys that are natural PnR players and now for some reason Jeff isn't running PnR at the level he said he wanted to coming into the season. That doesn't make any sense. This is not to say you totally abandon the Triangle but there's really no reason to not be using all the stuff that Jeff ran that Steve Kerr was so impressed with that he said he stole some of his plays and was inspired by what he saw Jeff doing and brought that similar approach to GS.

THIS IS THE GUY I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING!!!

Part of what built Kerr's confidence and model for the job was watching Jeff Hornacek, his former 1988-89 Suns teammate, take over Phoenix last season and guide the Suns to a 48-34 season.

"Jeff and I are pretty similar personalities," Kerr said. "There's a lot of fire inside, but pretty calm and laid-back at the same time. I think players appreciate that. You don't want a huge emotional ride every single day, but you've got to have some direction and some fire. So I looked at Jeff and the job he did last year and the success he had, and I drew inspiration from that. I still watch him and watch his team with a lot of respect. They do a lot of really innovative things offensively, and they play hard."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2014/11/09/warriors-kerr-sees-suns-hornacek-coaching-model/18785505/

nixluva--they coach in many cases are as good as the players. There is a lot of things wrong personnel wise and its been evident as weve been blowout 3 times pre eason 3 times regular season. Really if we get smoked out tomorrow --Id honestly think about changing some of these players whether it be line up or even trade. You cant continue to get blown out and say oh well be good--nope we better bring it from now on and show some pride. We were not even competitive at home against Rockets.

I understand what you're trying to say but I disagree. This isn't about the actual talent, but rather how it's being used. How these players have absorbed or not absorbed what they've been coached. I think Jeff needs to be Jeff and not move closer to being Phil/Rambis. What it looks like to me is that the Knicks are playing more of a Phil/Rambis style as opposed to doing the things he was successful doing.

Remember that Jeff INSPIRED Kerr. The way Jeff was coaching his teams was NOTHING like what we've seen so far. The so called BLEND is all wrong right now. Jeff talked about pushing the pace and EARLY OFFENSE. He talked about more PnR and a spread floor. THe spacing has been bad and they aren't running enough PnR. It's just not what Jeff likes to do.

When you watched MDA he was 100% running his offense. It was 100% PURE and uncut. Jeff can't do that here with Phil in charge, but surely he can run MUCH more of his stuff than this. That's what we were promised.

Nixluva--think about guarding the Knicks

You have a NON 3 pt shooting PG who isnt the best passer. Excellent player going to the rim and hes going to have his 11/16 days but that wont happen every game

You have a non scoring 5

You have a slow SF who doesnt move much great streak shooter and can play in and out

You have a 7-2 guy who still sits to far from the basket to many times. At the minimum if you have Noah high passing KP should look to post much more?

So if youre guarding the team--you stay on Melo and Lee--live with KP taking 28 footers and then you play off Noah and Rose. Noah you can hedge off ever play and Rose you want to force him into traffic where he has no passing lanes. I dont think were a naturally well spaced offense bcuz of the roster.
Its not a fast paced team either. I mean we have 2 7 footers and a slow SF

I want to see Jeff get them back to playing a more loose style of ball and not so much about making 3 passes before you even get into attacking the defense. That is a Triangle thing and I really think it's a waste of time with these players. They don't need all of that in order to be effective against defenses. Not when you have a PnR PG who can penetrate at will. You need to run stuff that ENHANCES all of these players skills.

IMO that stuff Jeff was running in PHX was a great fit for this talent. I expected more of it and less of the Triangle stuff. I expected them to use some of the Triangle stuff but from more of a conceptual way rather than PURE Triangle. It would take me 5 minutes to show them a spread look PnR set they could run successfully and I know Jeff has thought the same thing to himself.

anrst wrote:this is an isiah thomas type team. just parts. no fit. no plan.

Wow, some people say some really dumb stuff on here. There is a plan and the fitting will come in time. Do you not understand how it takes time when you put pretty much a whole new team together with a new coaching staff and system?? lol. You need to have patience which you obviously won't have since you're already complaing 4 games into the season.