RicanHavok wrote:

Frankie says "Im suing!"

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

arkrud wrote:

dk7th wrote:Last night's statline for these two players-- both on one-year audition contracts-- indicate that we can expect more of the same from them.

I have said repeatedly that Rose cannot take more shots than KP6.... and he took 17 shots to KP6's 13. Rose also had 1 assist and 4 turnovers.

UNACCEPTABLE

Jennings shoots 1-7, including 0-4 from the 3-point line

UNACCEPTABLE

There was zero-- zip, nada, zilch-- offensive cohesion and no discernible triangle being run last night because guess what: neither rose nor ennings know how to participate in it. they are merely drive and kick, inefficient guards. this sort of play TORPEDOES THE OFFENSE AND HURTS MORALE

UNACCEPTABLE

hornacek looked very disappointed and sad last night-- why? he may have realized that

YOU CAN'T SIT BETWEEN TWO STOOLS

either run the triangle with players who actually can or scrap it and allow these two clowns to "lead" the team to the lottery.

Running triangle with Rosennings or let them do what they used to do will have the same outcome.
So as soon as we have them for a year why not to try to enhance their games?
We are losing nothing with this 2.
This year outcome is Melo and Phil problem as their windows are closing.
Knicks are not going anywhere this year anyways.
So it should be used to develop young players and continue with establishing winning culture.

i agree, but as you know, a majority of pollyanna posters predict a playoff run with this team. i have said 38 wins is likelier. this year should be about kp6's development, and grooming kuzminskas, hernangomez, and baker to be able to become established.

Thinking that investing 90 million in two starters should equal a stealth tanking season after 1 "jayvee" game.
UNACCEPTABLE

Thinking 3 rookies with 1 game of "jayvee" NBA experience should be the focal point of this season.
UNACCEPTABLE

Constantly opining about the first actual real, legitimate offensive threat the franchise has had at PG in anyone's distant memory, while still wearing your moral papacy.
UNACCEPTABLE

Word jerking yourself into oblivion over a player most of the media has reported could become SMOTY in Jennings.
UNACCEPTABLE

ha...good ones.

dk7th wrote:Last night's statline for these two players-- both on one-year audition contracts-- indicate that we can expect more of the same from them.

I have said repeatedly that Rose cannot take more shots than KP6.... and he took 17 shots to KP6's 13. Rose also had 1 assist and 4 turnovers.

UNACCEPTABLE

Jennings shoots 1-7, including 0-4 from the 3-point line

UNACCEPTABLE

There was zero-- zip, nada, zilch-- offensive cohesion and no discernible triangle being run last night because guess what: neither rose nor ennings know how to participate in it. they are merely drive and kick, inefficient guards. this sort of play TORPEDOES THE OFFENSE AND HURTS MORALE

UNACCEPTABLE

hornacek looked very disappointed and sad last night-- why? he may have realized that

YOU CAN'T SIT BETWEEN TWO STOOLS

either run the triangle with players who actually can or scrap it and allow these two clowns to "lead" the team to the lottery.

we need a sticky rant thread. A thread to blow off steam and "Changes".
I also suggest Briggs gets his own thread. A place where he can "Discover" what he perceives as under the radar guys in college not known by scouts and lineup changes.

Nixluva should have his own thread as well for the positive spin, and Malcolm one just for all things Triangle.

Im really not being that sarcastic. There are redundant subjects but its also very well discussed so let there be a place to do it.
Too many threads dilute the site. Of course, too few is not good either.
Martin knows what's best........

yes there were some problems and concerns but i dont think the knicks should overreact

dk7th wrote:

Nalod wrote:

dk7th wrote:Last night's statline for these two players-- both on one-year audition contracts-- indicate that we can expect more of the same from them.

I have said repeatedly that Rose cannot take more shots than KP6.... and he took 17 shots to KP6's 13. Rose also had 1 assist and 4 turnovers.

UNACCEPTABLE

Jennings shoots 1-7, including 0-4 from the 3-point line

UNACCEPTABLE

There was zero-- zip, nada, zilch-- offensive cohesion and no discernible triangle being run last night because guess what: neither rose nor ennings know how to participate in it. they are merely drive and kick, inefficient guards. this sort of play TORPEDOES THE OFFENSE AND HURTS MORALE

UNACCEPTABLE

hornacek looked very disappointed and sad last night-- why? he may have realized that

YOU CAN'T SIT BETWEEN TWO STOOLS

either run the triangle with players who actually can or scrap it and allow these two clowns to "lead" the team to the lottery.

we need a sticky rant thread. A thread to blow off steam and "Changes".
I also suggest Briggs gets his own thread. A place where he can "Discover" what he perceives as under the radar guys in college not known by scouts and lineup changes.

Nixluva should have his own thread as well for the positive spin, and Malcolm one just for all things Triangle.

Im really not being that sarcastic. There are redundant subjects but its also very well discussed so let there be a place to do it.
Too many threads dilute the site. Of course, too few is not good either.
Martin knows what's best........

nah i don't think so, old chap. the reason why i started this thread is that last night we saw clearly what i have been saying since june, which is that neither rose nor jennings are coachable and are not going to help the team win. i also have been saying that hornacek cannot afford to sit between two stools in terms of what kind of offense to run, and last night the offense was a total unmitigated mess. coaching and reps are not going to change that-- i'll believe it when io see it-- and asking rose or jennings to push the ball actually ends up torpedoing whatever offense hornacek wants to run because they lack the skills and bbiq to do anything other than what we saw last night, ie pushing the ball but jacking up bad shots, pushing the ball but not making good passes, pushing the ball and not seeing the floor, and pushing the ball but leaving their feet to pass.

and then there's their simply atrocious defense that only translates to more losses.

Its your belief. ANd last nite you were correct.

Rose has this nasty habit of leaving his feet to pass.
Rose in his MVP year was Westbrook. Neither is championship material until they find that missing piece.

If they continue as they did last nite, they will not fare well this season.
Capt' obvious can see that!!! I'll throw in: "If they don't out score their opponent every game they will not win!"

"Old Chap"? LOL

dk7th wrote:. . . last night we saw clearly what i have been saying since june, which is that neither rose nor jennings are coachable and are not going to help the team win. i also have been saying that hornacek cannot afford to sit between two stools in terms of what kind of offense to run, and last night the offense was a total unmitigated mess. coaching and reps are not going to change that-- i'll believe it when io see it-- and asking rose or jennings to push the ball actually ends up torpedoing whatever offense hornacek wants to run because they lack the skills and bbiq to do anything other than what we saw last night, ie pushing the ball but jacking up bad shots, pushing the ball but not making good passes, pushing the ball and not seeing the floor, and pushing the ball but leaving their feet to pass.

earthmansurfer wrote:I am a bit concerned that Rose is going to take more shots than KP. There is really zero reason for that - for both health and contract reasons.
I say he has a year to show he can be a real PG. We simply don't need to rely on him heavily (regularly) for scoring. We have Melo and KP and I'd
really like to see both Rose and Jennings, focus on getting the team going. I have hope for Jennings, Rose has been what he is for a while now...

To the extent that Rose's driving/penetration opens looks for KP+Melo, he should do it, not with an inclination to stuff his stats for next contract, but with the clear plan to improve team scoring overall. Whatever points he puts down are still a contributing factor to wins, so we'll take it. Last night he had a lot of layup miss turnovers, which is not acceptable. He also did not seem intent to distribute the ball much, also unacceptable, although possibly a facet of missing pre-season.

knicks1248 - Nah, just saying Rose needs to have a better FG% with fewer shots. In the end, fewer shots for Rose than KP in general, not as an absolute of course.
It is going to take some time for the team to Jell. Cleveland has been together for a while and just one the chip, no big disappointment here.

But, there is no excuse to play stupid basketball. Jennings is ****ing out of control at all times. He doesn't know how to shoot the ball, he's always off balance. He showed some decent passing instincts in the preseason, but the two of them were missing easy screen and rolls and pick and pop opportunities. That just can't happen.