Kemet wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Given where Willy was picked--he might be the best draft pick value in the last 20 years. I like to give the Knicks credit where its fully deserved. I wouldve selected Norman Powell and really had no idea about Willy H. Willy is a BIG time keeper. I see the future as KP at 4 and Willy at 5. What we will have to do is piece players around those two over the next 2-3 years. Hopefully Baker can show he can shoot and finish. I think he can play some 1 guard.

Watching Willy movement speed and high IQ on both ends of the court ..
Willy is the real DEAL .. A young superstar PF!
Now i know why Willy got all the playingtime overseas while KP were bench and DNP on the same team.
Willy H were the much better player, Phil got the players mixed up on draft night LMAO!

KP can not play either forward position vs the average NBA teams thats why we loss so many easy games last season. The Boston Celtics forwards Crowder and Johnson will prove that to be a fact again in our 2nd preseason game.
Coach Horn does not have the power to tell Phil or Dolan that KP best position in today's small ball NBA is at the center position SMH
If u measure Willy vs KP talent .. Willy gets a TEN to KP five
No! Willy is not a CENTER .. Willy is a pure natural PF .. the same about KOQ, Quinn is a pure natural PF which the Knicks has never let Quinn play the PF position last year and this year.
It reminds me of PF-David Lee when he was a Knicks we made David Lee play the center position for 3 years straight. And we made 5.8 PG-Nate Robinson play the SG position for 4 years straight SMH

Willy a 10 and KP a 5? Time to put down your crack pipe, bruh. Settle down nah. It'll be ok when the nice men in their clean white coats arrives.

SupremeCommander wrote:during the draft I said that the sting of not having a first is diminished a little bit because Big Billy was coming. Throw Kuz into the mix too now. We have some decent prospect grade talent on this team somehow

Chandler wrote:so with everything we've seen thus far, where would he have been drafted this year (assuming all preseason stuff was part of his draft tape)?

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Moonangie wrote:

Kemet wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Given where Willy was picked--he might be the best draft pick value in the last 20 years. I like to give the Knicks credit where its fully deserved. I wouldve selected Norman Powell and really had no idea about Willy H. Willy is a BIG time keeper. I see the future as KP at 4 and Willy at 5. What we will have to do is piece players around those two over the next 2-3 years. Hopefully Baker can show he can shoot and finish. I think he can play some 1 guard.

Watching Willy movement speed and high IQ on both ends of the court ..
Willy is the real DEAL .. A young superstar PF!
Now i know why Willy got all the playingtime overseas while KP were bench and DNP on the same team.
Willy H were the much better player, Phil got the players mixed up on draft night LMAO!

KP can not play either forward position vs the average NBA teams thats why we loss so many easy games last season. The Boston Celtics forwards Crowder and Johnson will prove that to be a fact again in our 2nd preseason game.
Coach Horn does not have the power to tell Phil or Dolan that KP best position in today's small ball NBA is at the center position SMH
If u measure Willy vs KP talent .. Willy gets a TEN to KP five
No! Willy is not a CENTER .. Willy is a pure natural PF .. the same about KOQ, Quinn is a pure natural PF which the Knicks has never let Quinn play the PF position last year and this year.
It reminds me of PF-David Lee when he was a Knicks we made David Lee play the center position for 3 years straight. And we made 5.8 PG-Nate Robinson play the SG position for 4 years straight SMH

Willy a 10 and KP a 5? Time to put down your crack pipe, bruh. Settle down nah. It'll be ok when the nice men in their clean white coats arrives.

ha ha ha ha ha
I been watching NBA since Bill Russel to Shaq .. Our 7.3 KP will live on the perimeter vs those two players.
Last season KP showed no performance where he dominated the inside of the paint in any game.
Or did u forget KP had NO Low Post scoring moves last season. Nor did KP boxout opponents in the paint so Lopez could get the rebound.
KP has only been good at crashing the boards for rebounds, blocks, and put-backs which are something a SF does if u watch Lebron, Paul George, DeMarre Carroll, etc.. Or did u forget KP shot 42% FG and 33% 3-ball
KP were no help to Lopez in the paint last season .. PF Quinn were suppose to tandem with Lopez in the starting lineup lastseason. But we BOOOOED KP at the draft so Phil or Dolan put KP in the starting lineup day 1

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Given where Willy was picked--he might be the best draft pick value in the last 20 years. I like to give the Knicks credit where its fully deserved. I wouldve selected Norman Powell and really had no idea about Willy H. Willy is a BIG time keeper. I see the future as KP at 4 and Willy at 5. What we will have to do is piece players around those two over the next 2-3 years. Hopefully Baker can show he can shoot and finish. I think he can play some 1 guard.

This has been my hope all along, even before I really saw him play. For a couple of best buddies playing in EU together to end up together on the Knicks is simply too cool not to root for. The best part is Willy is looking like a real stud and a high BB IQ player. His skills also compliment KP. Willy is a pure under the rim player and brings a great physical blue collar approach, which KP is the monster on help defense and crashing the boards. They have a great inside/outside combo and could be frontcourt mates for a decade. Getting Willy in that draft from Phili goes down as a great move for Phil. Fingers crossed on this kid, but there is nothing but love at this point. Having the support of KP and seeing him succeed has clearly galvanized Willy. Awesome stuff all around.

Willy Hernangomez compliments Noah's performance perfectly, the more they play together i see their rythm of talent becoming better than Noah & Gasol.
I do not know where all this crazy tandem HYPE for KP & Willy are coming from other than being optimist because the two didnt play in the same lineup on their previous teams. Plus like i said KP talent has not showed to be a inside threat on offense or defense, yes KP can rebound yes KP can block shots, No KP cant box-out no KP cant screen no KP cant throw a direct lob pass after grabbing a defensive-rebound.
No KP presence has never come into the game to help his teammates outscore opponents .. not one game last year or in the preseason game.
Willy Hernangomez is the MAN .. ROY !!!

much better fit next to KP than Noah. Willy is a 5, not a 4.

Willy is a 4 in the NBA.
Willy speed movement n IQ are somewhat like Duncans a better 4 than 5
Willy will run when Noah starts a fastbreak .. in the Boston game KP nor Melo ran the two times Noah started the fast break

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Given where Willy was picked--he might be the best draft pick value in the last 20 years. I like to give the Knicks credit where its fully deserved. I wouldve selected Norman Powell and really had no idea about Willy H. Willy is a BIG time keeper. I see the future as KP at 4 and Willy at 5. What we will have to do is piece players around those two over the next 2-3 years. Hopefully Baker can show he can shoot and finish. I think he can play some 1 guard.

This has been my hope all along, even before I really saw him play. For a couple of best buddies playing in EU together to end up together on the Knicks is simply too cool not to root for. The best part is Willy is looking like a real stud and a high BB IQ player. His skills also compliment KP. Willy is a pure under the rim player and brings a great physical blue collar approach, which KP is the monster on help defense and crashing the boards. They have a great inside/outside combo and could be frontcourt mates for a decade. Getting Willy in that draft from Phili goes down as a great move for Phil. Fingers crossed on this kid, but there is nothing but love at this point. Having the support of KP and seeing him succeed has clearly galvanized Willy. Awesome stuff all around.

Willy Hernangomez compliments Noah's performance perfectly, the more they play together i see their rythm of talent becoming better than Noah & Gasol.
I do not know where all this crazy tandem HYPE for KP & Willy are coming from other than being optimist because the two didnt play in the same lineup on their previous teams. Plus like i said KP talent has not showed to be a inside threat on offense or defense, yes KP can rebound yes KP can block shots, No KP cant box-out no KP cant screen no KP cant throw a direct lob pass after grabbing a defensive-rebound.
No KP presence has never come into the game to help his teammates outscore opponents .. not one game last year or in the preseason game.
Willy Hernangomez is the MAN .. ROY !!!

much better fit next to KP than Noah. Willy is a 5, not a 4.

Willy is a 4 in the NBA.
Willy speed movement n IQ are somewhat like Duncans a better 4 than 5
Willy will run when Noah starts a fastbreak .. in the Boston game KP nor Melo ran the two times Noah started the fast break

Yea... No. He's a 5. Was scouted as a 5. Worked out as a 5. Played 5 over in Spain. Played 5 with the Olympic team and is a 5 in the NBA. He's getting preseason minutes as a 5, and is looking to win the job as the backup 5.

Btw... 5 = center.

In the NBA preseason games Willy showed repeatedly he could cover and dominate both forward spots on either side of the court.
As a coach who have an experience Top-3 center in Noah, plus a upcoming rookie center in Plumlee (need NBA playing-time for growth), what position would u play Willy at during his rookie season ???

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Given where Willy was picked--he might be the best draft pick value in the last 20 years. I like to give the Knicks credit where its fully deserved. I wouldve selected Norman Powell and really had no idea about Willy H. Willy is a BIG time keeper. I see the future as KP at 4 and Willy at 5. What we will have to do is piece players around those two over the next 2-3 years. Hopefully Baker can show he can shoot and finish. I think he can play some 1 guard.

This has been my hope all along, even before I really saw him play. For a couple of best buddies playing in EU together to end up together on the Knicks is simply too cool not to root for. The best part is Willy is looking like a real stud and a high BB IQ player. His skills also compliment KP. Willy is a pure under the rim player and brings a great physical blue collar approach, which KP is the monster on help defense and crashing the boards. They have a great inside/outside combo and could be frontcourt mates for a decade. Getting Willy in that draft from Phili goes down as a great move for Phil. Fingers crossed on this kid, but there is nothing but love at this point. Having the support of KP and seeing him succeed has clearly galvanized Willy. Awesome stuff all around.

Willy Hernangomez compliments Noah's performance perfectly, the more they play together i see their rythm of talent becoming better than Noah & Gasol.
I do not know where all this crazy tandem HYPE for KP & Willy are coming from other than being optimist because the two didnt play in the same lineup on their previous teams. Plus like i said KP talent has not showed to be a inside threat on offense or defense, yes KP can rebound yes KP can block shots, No KP cant box-out no KP cant screen no KP cant throw a direct lob pass after grabbing a defensive-rebound.
No KP presence has never come into the game to help his teammates outscore opponents .. not one game last year or in the preseason game.
Willy Hernangomez is the MAN .. ROY !!!

much better fit next to KP than Noah. Willy is a 5, not a 4.

Willy is a 4 in the NBA.
Willy speed movement n IQ are somewhat like Duncans a better 4 than 5
Willy will run when Noah starts a fastbreak .. in the Boston game KP nor Melo ran the two times Noah started the fast break

Yea... No. He's a 5. Was scouted as a 5. Worked out as a 5. Played 5 over in Spain. Played 5 with the Olympic team and is a 5 in the NBA. He's getting preseason minutes as a 5, and is looking to win the job as the backup 5.

Btw... 5 = center.

In the NBA preseason games Willy showed repeatedly he could cover and dominate both forward spots on either side of the court.
As a coach who have an experience Top-3 center in Noah, plus a upcoming rookie center in Plumlee (need NBA playing-time for growth), what position would u play Willy at during his rookie season ???

I see Willy and everything says center center center

Kemet wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Kemet wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Given where Willy was picked--he might be the best draft pick value in the last 20 years. I like to give the Knicks credit where its fully deserved. I wouldve selected Norman Powell and really had no idea about Willy H. Willy is a BIG time keeper. I see the future as KP at 4 and Willy at 5. What we will have to do is piece players around those two over the next 2-3 years. Hopefully Baker can show he can shoot and finish. I think he can play some 1 guard.

Watching Willy movement speed and high IQ on both ends of the court ..
Willy is the real DEAL .. A young superstar PF!
Now i know why Willy got all the playingtime overseas while KP were bench and DNP on the same team.
Willy H were the much better player, Phil got the players mixed up on draft night LMAO!

KP can not play either forward position vs the average NBA teams thats why we loss so many easy games last season. The Boston Celtics forwards Crowder and Johnson will prove that to be a fact again in our 2nd preseason game.
Coach Horn does not have the power to tell Phil or Dolan that KP best position in today's small ball NBA is at the center position SMH
If u measure Willy vs KP talent .. Willy gets a TEN to KP five
No! Willy is not a CENTER .. Willy is a pure natural PF .. the same about KOQ, Quinn is a pure natural PF which the Knicks has never let Quinn play the PF position last year and this year.
It reminds me of PF-David Lee when he was a Knicks we made David Lee play the center position for 3 years straight. And we made 5.8 PG-Nate Robinson play the SG position for 4 years straight SMH

Willy a 10 and KP a 5? Time to put down your crack pipe, bruh. Settle down nah. It'll be ok when the nice men in their clean white coats arrives.

ha ha ha ha ha
I been watching NBA since Bill Russel to Shaq .. Our 7.3 KP will live on the perimeter vs those two players.
Last season KP showed no performance where he dominated the inside of the paint in any game.
Or did u forget KP had NO Low Post scoring moves last season. Nor did KP boxout opponents in the paint so Lopez could get the rebound.
KP has only been good at crashing the boards for rebounds, blocks, and put-backs which are something a SF does if u watch Lebron, Paul George, DeMarre Carroll, etc.. Or did u forget KP shot 42% FG and 33% 3-ball
KP were no help to Lopez in the paint last season .. PF Quinn were suppose to tandem with Lopez in the starting lineup lastseason. But we BOOOOED KP at the draft so Phil or Dolan put KP in the starting lineup day 1

Yeah yeah yeah. I been watching NBA and Knicks since the championship years, too.

Starting 5s with the versatility to play on the perimeter is a facet of the current NBA game. Our unicorn is a prototype example of this, with a handle and mid-range game, too. Considering his desire/focus/determination, it's only a matter of time before he develops a post game as well.

His role on this team is NOT to dominate the paint. That's so 90s NBA. If that's what we wanted, we would have taken OK4.

Look, I get that you value boards above all else. It has been a glaring weakness for the Knicks for quite a long time. But a rookie needs to have a chance to add weight and skills to his repertoire. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how our unicorn develops down low. Heck, he already added 15-20lbs to his lower half this off-season.

BTW, I think you're the only fan I have yet come across who sees little long-term promise in KP. The ONLY one.