CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again - and I said it before DRose was a Knick - there is something extremely fishy about this case. I don't know if it'll be a mistrial, but I don't see a bad outcome for Rose at this point. And I certainly don't see any criminal charges being filed.

Rose still did a bad thing IMO. Criminal charges or not it doesnt mean he is this great guy. Thankfully he is only here a year. Im excited about jennnings possibly being here a few years like he said he wanted to

I'm not bothered about sex lives of players, but there's no way I could root for a rapist- outcome of the trial is important to me. How awkward will it be as a knick fan following this team if he is found guilty?

A rapist who forces a woman or takes advantage of her while she is incapacitated is obviously someone who is impossible to root for.
But in this case there is a lot of gray area, and it is possible to see why Rose does not feel he did anything wrong.
And juries make mistakes too, one way or the other, so the decision on whether to root for a player will be taken based on facts and each individual's interpretation of these facts.

i never accused him of rape or that he is guilty of criminal charges. HOWEVER i still feel his actions werent right at all. I mean he has had some issues in his past as well. Im just not a big fan of his. Talent wise he used to be a bigtime offensive player and mvp i would never deny that

The only issue I am aware of is his SAT issue. Oh and I think there is a picture of him where he made a gang sign in college. I believe he apologized for that.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again - and I said it before DRose was a Knick - there is something extremely fishy about this case. I don't know if it'll be a mistrial, but I don't see a bad outcome for Rose at this point. And I certainly don't see any criminal charges being filed.

Rose still did a bad thing IMO. Criminal charges or not it doesnt mean he is this great guy. Thankfully he is only here a year. Im excited about jennnings possibly being here a few years like he said he wanted to

I'm not bothered about sex lives of players, but there's no way I could root for a rapist- outcome of the trial is important to me. How awkward will it be as a knick fan following this team if he is found guilty?

A rapist who forces a woman or takes advantage of her while she is incapacitated is obviously someone who is impossible to root for.
But in this case there is a lot of gray area, and it is possible to see why Rose does not feel he did anything wrong.
And juries make mistakes too, one way or the other, so the decision on whether to root for a player will be taken based on facts and each individual's interpretation of these facts.

i never accused him of rape or that he is guilty of criminal charges. HOWEVER i still feel his actions werent right at all. I mean he has had some issues in his past as well. Im just not a big fan of his. Talent wise he used to be a bigtime offensive player and mvp i would never deny that

His actions were not right and show poor judgment. But imagine yourself as a 25 year old single guy overflowing with testosterone and this lady who's all sexual and voluptuous throws herself at you, even entices you with some kinky toys and talk, and can you honestly say that you will have the perceptiveness and clarity to accurately judge the level of her intoxication to decide whether to play along or stay away? These are real people, making real decisions based on what they feel and see at a particular time and place, without the benefit of 20-20 hindsight and statements laid out for them in court papers. And how many of us can honestly claim that they would exercise better judgment if they were young, rich, famous and accosted by female attention?

I am also not a big fan of Rose as a player, I was a big fan of Spree, despite his choking incident, somehow it never bothered me, maybe I need to check my moral principles, but it was true. And as more and more facts about the Rose incident are surfacing up, the more difficult it becomes for me to judge him as well, even if I may never grow to like him as a player.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again - and I said it before DRose was a Knick - there is something extremely fishy about this case. I don't know if it'll be a mistrial, but I don't see a bad outcome for Rose at this point. And I certainly don't see any criminal charges being filed.

Rose still did a bad thing IMO. Criminal charges or not it doesnt mean he is this great guy. Thankfully he is only here a year. Im excited about jennnings possibly being here a few years like he said he wanted to

I'm not bothered about sex lives of players, but there's no way I could root for a rapist- outcome of the trial is important to me. How awkward will it be as a knick fan following this team if he is found guilty?

A rapist who forces a woman or takes advantage of her while she is incapacitated is obviously someone who is impossible to root for.
But in this case there is a lot of gray area, and it is possible to see why Rose does not feel he did anything wrong.
And juries make mistakes too, one way or the other, so the decision on whether to root for a player will be taken based on facts and each individual's interpretation of these facts.

i never accused him of rape or that he is guilty of criminal charges. HOWEVER i still feel his actions werent right at all. I mean he has had some issues in his past as well. Im just not a big fan of his. Talent wise he used to be a bigtime offensive player and mvp i would never deny that

The only issue I am aware of is his SAT issue. Oh and I think there is a picture of him where he made a gang sign in college. I believe he apologized for that.

what a great citizen

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again - and I said it before DRose was a Knick - there is something extremely fishy about this case. I don't know if it'll be a mistrial, but I don't see a bad outcome for Rose at this point. And I certainly don't see any criminal charges being filed.

Rose still did a bad thing IMO. Criminal charges or not it doesnt mean he is this great guy. Thankfully he is only here a year. Im excited about jennnings possibly being here a few years like he said he wanted to

I'm not bothered about sex lives of players, but there's no way I could root for a rapist- outcome of the trial is important to me. How awkward will it be as a knick fan following this team if he is found guilty?

A rapist who forces a woman or takes advantage of her while she is incapacitated is obviously someone who is impossible to root for.
But in this case there is a lot of gray area, and it is possible to see why Rose does not feel he did anything wrong.
And juries make mistakes too, one way or the other, so the decision on whether to root for a player will be taken based on facts and each individual's interpretation of these facts.

i never accused him of rape or that he is guilty of criminal charges. HOWEVER i still feel his actions werent right at all. I mean he has had some issues in his past as well. Im just not a big fan of his. Talent wise he used to be a bigtime offensive player and mvp i would never deny that

The only issue I am aware of is his SAT issue. Oh and I think there is a picture of him where he made a gang sign in college. I believe he apologized for that.

what a great citizen

Are you judging him based on two things he did as a teenager? If you research him a bit you will find he did a lot for the community in Chicago. A lot of it was not publicized much but community leaders make a point of giving him credit for his actions/charity.

ive followed him since his high school days. I never said i hated the guy. However i think he needs to make some changes. He needs to admit his mistakes and i would respect him more for that

What mistakes are you referring to? I asked before and you made the great citizen comment.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again - and I said it before DRose was a Knick - there is something extremely fishy about this case. I don't know if it'll be a mistrial, but I don't see a bad outcome for Rose at this point. And I certainly don't see any criminal charges being filed.

Rose still did a bad thing IMO. Criminal charges or not it doesnt mean he is this great guy. Thankfully he is only here a year. Im excited about jennnings possibly being here a few years like he said he wanted to

I'm not bothered about sex lives of players, but there's no way I could root for a rapist- outcome of the trial is important to me. How awkward will it be as a knick fan following this team if he is found guilty?

A rapist who forces a woman or takes advantage of her while she is incapacitated is obviously someone who is impossible to root for.
But in this case there is a lot of gray area, and it is possible to see why Rose does not feel he did anything wrong.
And juries make mistakes too, one way or the other, so the decision on whether to root for a player will be taken based on facts and each individual's interpretation of these facts.

i never accused him of rape or that he is guilty of criminal charges. HOWEVER i still feel his actions werent right at all. I mean he has had some issues in his past as well. Im just not a big fan of his. Talent wise he used to be a bigtime offensive player and mvp i would never deny that

The only issue I am aware of is his SAT issue. Oh and I think there is a picture of him where he made a gang sign in college. I believe he apologized for that.

what a great citizen

Are you judging him based on two things he did as a teenager? If you research him a bit you will find he did a lot for the community in Chicago. A lot of it was not publicized much but community leaders make a point of giving him credit for his actions/charity.

ive followed him since his high school days. I never said i hated the guy. However i think he needs to make some changes. He needs to admit his mistakes and i would respect him more for that

What mistakes are you referring to? I asked before and you made the great citizen comment.

that was kind of a joke which is why i put the smiley face on. Anyway we agree to disagree i guess. I dont hate rose but i dont feel i have to defend him all the time because he wears a knick uniform

There are reasons to doubt the story of Derrick Rose’s accuser
By Daniel Werly October 10, 2016 | 3:48am

This trial boils down to one issue: whether the accuser consented to intercourse with Derrick Rose and his friends.

Because there is a complete absence of any physical evidence, such as a rape kit or corroborating medical report — a fact that favors Rose — the jury must decide whom to believe based on witnesses, none more important than the basketball player and his accuser.

Before calling a single witness, Rose’s lawyers have already planted seeds of doubt in the accuser’s story.

During cross-examination, she admitted to lying at least six times during her deposition or in text messages to Rose.

She also sent Rose five texts that day in August 2013 between 1:40 a.m. and 2:03 a.m., inviting him to her apartment and saying things such as “I need u” and “want u here.”

When Rose’s lawyer asked the accuser what she and Rose were going to do, she responded — in what has been described by trial-watchers as perhaps the least believable testimony to date — “Watch a movie or just [go] to sleep, communicate or talk.”

Then there’s the fact that she waited more than two years to report the incident to police — and only did so after her civil suit was filed.

Another factor in Rose’s favor is that the eight-member jury must be unanimous. During jury selection, one juror said she believed people might make up stories to get rich from celebrities.

Sometime later this week, the defense will call witnesses. One will be the woman’s “friend,” who a few weeks after the alleged incident bluntly asked the accuser if she was raped. Rose’s accuser responded, “No,’’ although she acknowledged she did sleep with the three men. Another “friend’’ has stated that the accuser mentioned “rape” only after she got mad at the basketball star for not paying her back for a sex belt.

Will this be enough to show that the woman legally consented to intercourse? That determination will be up to the jury in a matter of days.

Leading US sports lawyer Daniel Werly is managing editor of the sports legal Web site TheWhiteBronco.com, and professor of “Arbitration in Sports” at Charleston School of Law in South Carolina. He can be found on Twitter at @WerlySportsLaw.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again - and I said it before DRose was a Knick - there is something extremely fishy about this case. I don't know if it'll be a mistrial, but I don't see a bad outcome for Rose at this point. And I certainly don't see any criminal charges being filed.

Rose still did a bad thing IMO. Criminal charges or not it doesnt mean he is this great guy. Thankfully he is only here a year. Im excited about jennnings possibly being here a few years like he said he wanted to

If there was consent, then what he did does not make him a bad person. He was dumb to put himself in that situation, but he should not be judged on what he does in the bedroom, as long as there is consent. That being said, i am more excited about Jennings as well. I love his passion to play in NY and hope he returns to his full ability and resigns with us.

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ESOMKnicks wrote:Just reading Rose's ongoing testimony, I probably should not be saying this, but, boy, is he dumb

It doesn't sound like he was very smart about this situation... but that's also not a crime.

ESOMKnicks wrote:And in a he said she said trial, whose outcome hinges upon whom the jury would find more believable, i cannot fathom why the defense counsel could not have prepared their clients for testimony, so that they at least would not contradict each other. It is as if they deliberately wanted their client to lose so that they could bill him for appeals etc. Asking for a mistrial and then another trial also fits this strategy.