If you don't agree then something is wrong with you

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The only weakness this team has is negative juju from the fans.... if you take health out of the equation this team is top 5 in the east if not top 3.

Don't argue just believe it

good luck with all that.

I can bet my house that you are a conservative

If by conservative you mean I wear long dresses and saving my virginity for marriage then you are correct

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

Lack of experience running the Triangle (!)

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

so what do you think are issues that you worry about?

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

so you're expecting no injuries?

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

i might be exaggerating the issue but i was just answering the question...thats my biggest concern.

nixluva - whats your biggest concern of this knicks team? the price of tickets? jk jk

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

I hated Gallo, or at least thought he didn't live up to where I thought he could be. Surprised you would feel better about having Gallo off bench, IMHO he didn't really solidify that area.

I guess there is also a big difference between having pure vets and guys with decent potential off bench, and it's obvious the Knicks went with the later.

I like Jennings, LT off bench as the leaders of the second team. LT can play multiple positions. Always thought KOQ was fish out of water last year and maybe he can make a comeback and Sasha will be Sasha. Holiday, Ndour, Willy, Kuz represent a decent potential group for me.

Glaring weakness? Not for me.

i get it. but thats my concern. i wish we had PROVEN talent off the bench given the injury history of the stars.

but thats me - maybe im crazy. lol

nixluva wrote:Neither Rose nor Jennings are strong defenders. It remains to be seen how the team covers for some of that. Also neither of them are great shooters either. The rotation after the top 7 is untested. We have to see how Hornacek handles his rotations not only for in game production but also for how he manages the vets minutes. Overall the consistency could be an issue with some guys not being able to play as well without a days rest.

thats a fair concern. our point guards arent good defenders. but its not the "biggest" concern because we have two 7fters as goaltenders to help out

yes shooting is a concern.. (ugh really wish we kept gallo!! yeah i was a galloway fan)

great point about hornecek handles mins aqnd rotations

bench after top 7 is untested- we agree

so i agree nixluva, were pretty much on the same page

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

so you're expecting no injuries?

I never said there would be no injuries. I do think this team is better set up to prevent fatigue related injury and to handle random things like a twisted ankle. It's a good roster.

We have Rose, Melo, KP and Jennings as guys who be focal points on offense and can create their own shots and that will give Hornacek the ability to stagger his rotations so that we don't play any significant time without one or more them on the floor. This is a HUGE development. I really don't think some fans or media are paying attention to this. When you have those kind of players it means you can run an effective offense and not be subject to a drastic drop off in your offensive effectiveness.

Then you have Lee and Holiday who I think can give this team some quality 3nD minutes. Neither guy needs the ball to be effective and both can defend. Holiday is a 6-6 SG with a 7-1 wingspan and he can defend. I think with a more consistent role Holiday can be an effective reserve.

Players 8, 9, and 10 are going to cover those injury minutes