dk7th wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:I feel like when he is healthy he is still an All Star caliber player
He is fairly quick and agile , He drives hard to the basket and finishes in varied ways
on defence he is much better than Calderon

you need one player on every team who makes others around him better, agreed? who is that on the knicks?

That's a question that's going to get the answer that you want evey time. Thing is we're not going to win if we are relying on one player to make the rest of the team better. We will need to come together as a collective... we have a strong starting 5 and a strong bench.... if everyone brings it we can win. That's where we should focus on because that's the strength of this team

i am all about chemistry and synergy. it's my bottom line and why i am citing the clear pitfalls that a few here are content to gloss over. what you must consider is, again, how do roles get established so that synergy can result. i see the potential for contract year agendas and it is a cause for concern. it's a fragile experiment that could implode very quickly. what do you want to see from rose? kp6?

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:I feel like when he is healthy he is still an All Star caliber player
He is fairly quick and agile , He drives hard to the basket and finishes in varied ways
on defence he is much better than Calderon

you need one player on every team who makes others around him better, agreed? who is that on the knicks?

That's a question that's going to get the answer that you want evey time. Thing is we're not going to win if we are relying on one player to make the rest of the team better. We will need to come together as a collective... we have a strong starting 5 and a strong bench.... if everyone brings it we can win. That's where we should focus on because that's the strength of this team

i am all about chemistry and synergy. it's my bottom line and why i am citing the clear pitfalls that a few here are content to gloss over. what you must consider is, again, how do roles get established so that synergy can result. i see the potential for contract year agendas and it is a cause for concern. it's a fragile experiment that could implode very quickly. what do you want to see from rose? kp6?

Why do you think Jackson, Mills and Hornacek traded for Rose? This wasn't a decision that was made without a lot of thought and considerations of risk and rewards. All three guys mentioned the need for the Knicks to get a point guard prior to the trade. I think the main thing you need Rose to be is healthy. His being in and out of the line up could be very disruptive. I think you want to see KP play some minutes at center. Also, it might be time to switch the rotation and have Melo come out first (like KP did last year) and KP stay on the floor. That second unit might need scoring and Melo could get some minutes at the 4. Everything else should be team goals.

Good point about KP staying in longer this year. I could imagine Noah coming out 1st and Melo and KP sliding to 4 and 5, with Jennings coming in 1st off the bench.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:I feel like when he is healthy he is still an All Star caliber player
He is fairly quick and agile , He drives hard to the basket and finishes in varied ways
on defence he is much better than Calderon

you need one player on every team who makes others around him better, agreed? who is that on the knicks?

That's a question that's going to get the answer that you want evey time. Thing is we're not going to win if we are relying on one player to make the rest of the team better. We will need to come together as a collective... we have a strong starting 5 and a strong bench.... if everyone brings it we can win. That's where we should focus on because that's the strength of this team

i am all about chemistry and synergy. it's my bottom line and why i am citing the clear pitfalls that a few here are content to gloss over. what you must consider is, again, how do roles get established so that synergy can result. i see the potential for contract year agendas and it is a cause for concern. it's a fragile experiment that could implode very quickly. what do you want to see from rose? kp6?

Why do you think Jackson, Mills and Hornacek traded for Rose? This wasn't a decision that was made without a lot of thought and considerations of risk and rewards. All three guys mentioned the need for the Knicks to get a point guard prior to the trade. I think the main thing you need Rose to be is healthy. His being in and out of the line up could be very disruptive. I think you want to see KP play some minutes at center. Also, it might be time to switch the rotation and have Melo come out first (like KP did last year) and KP stay on the floor. That second unit might need scoring and Melo could get some minutes at the 4. Everything else should be team goals.

Good point about KP staying in longer this year. I could imagine Noah coming out 1st and Melo and KP sliding to 4 and 5, with Jennings coming in 1st off the bench.

dk7th wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:I feel like when he is healthy he is still an All Star caliber player
He is fairly quick and agile , He drives hard to the basket and finishes in varied ways
on defence he is much better than Calderon

you need one player on every team who makes others around him better, agreed? who is that on the knicks?

That's a question that's going to get the answer that you want evey time. Thing is we're not going to win if we are relying on one player to make the rest of the team better. We will need to come together as a collective... we have a strong starting 5 and a strong bench.... if everyone brings it we can win. That's where we should focus on because that's the strength of this team

i am all about chemistry and synergy. it's my bottom line and why i am citing the clear pitfalls that a few here are content to gloss over. what you must consider is, again, how do roles get established so that synergy can result. i see the potential for contract year agendas and it is a cause for concern. it's a fragile experiment that could implode very quickly. what do you want to see from rose? kp6?

I don't want to talk negatively. Just like there is potential for Rose to be a selfish ass hole because he wants to get paid is there just as much as him being a facilitator for Hornacek and his offense.

I see Rose and KP doing what they did last year. I don't expect either to be a 20 pts a game scorer. I also don't expect Rose to average 10 assists just as I don't expect KP to get 10 rebounds a game.
KP getting 14pts and 7 rebounds and Rose getting 16pts and 4 assists a game would be great numbers for our starting power fwd and point guard to get. Add Melo at around 20 pts and 7 rebounds and this knicks team is deadly. The intangibles in the starting 5 are strong at center and shoring guard as well with Noah and Courtney.... too much to praise than to cop out and talk about Rose possibly becoming a douche.

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

dk7th wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:I feel like when he is healthy he is still an All Star caliber player
He is fairly quick and agile , He drives hard to the basket and finishes in varied ways
on defence he is much better than Calderon

you need one player on every team who makes others around him better, agreed? who is that on the knicks?

That's a question that's going to get the answer that you want evey time. Thing is we're not going to win if we are relying on one player to make the rest of the team better. We will need to come together as a collective... we have a strong starting 5 and a strong bench.... if everyone brings it we can win. That's where we should focus on because that's the strength of this team

i am all about chemistry and synergy. it's my bottom line and why i am citing the clear pitfalls that a few here are content to gloss over. what you must consider is, again, how do roles get established so that synergy can result. i see the potential for contract year agendas and it is a cause for concern. it's a fragile experiment that could implode very quickly. what do you want to see from rose? kp6?

I don't want to talk negatively. Just like there is potential for Rose to be a selfish ass hole because he wants to get paid is there just as much as him being a facilitator for Hornacek and his offense.

I see Rose and KP doing what they did last year. I don't expect either to be a 20 pts a game scorer. I also don't expect Rose to average 10 assists just as I don't expect KP to get 10 rebounds a game.
KP getting 14pts and 7 rebounds and Rose getting 16pts and 4 assists a game would be great numbers for our starting power fwd and point guard to get. Add Melo at around 20 pts and 7 rebounds and this knicks team is deadly. The intangibles in the starting 5 are strong at center and shoring guard as well with Noah and Courtney.... too much to praise than to cop out and talk about Rose possibly becoming a douche.

My take is that how realistic is it that Rose, who is FRIENDS with and respectful of the guys on this team, would not be in a team oriented mode?

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Does it look like these guys are gonna have any issues playing with each other???

The Knicks roster for 2016-17 season is very professional - They want to win big , go deep in the Playoffs
We need Derrick Rose to be at his best (not only numbers) as a teamate and leader.

CrushAlot wrote:

The next chapter is nearing, and the expectations have heightened Rose’s excitement for the 2016-2017 season. It’s a chance to prove his offseason work has paid off and to build on last season’s relatively healthy 66-game campaign. After the All-Star break in February, Rose averaged 19.9 points on 51.4 percent shooting from the field. It was his most consistent stretch of play since that 2011 MVP season.

“Now, with the No. 25, I think you’ll see a more mature player,” Rose said. “You’ll see the player that you saw toward the end of last year. More under control type of game, and I got a lot more options now this year. That No. 1 will always be engraved in me, and it’s not going anywhere. Twenty-five is just a new step, and a new step in the right direction.”

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kicks-fix-derrick-roses-next-chapter-142621248.html

nadavshomron wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7pOGRLy84

You know what annoyed me about this discussion? No mention of Jennings! Max said "no bench" at the very end and IMO the Knicks bench is actually not bad. Sure there are not a lot of big names on their bench but I actually like the talent the Knicks have on the bench.

Rose, Lee, Melo, KP and Noah
Jennings, Thomas, Holiday, KOQ, Willy and Kuz

I think that is a pretty good group of players. They've got a lot to prove still, but I think Hornacek will have a lot of flexibility in terms of his rotations. He can pretty much always have at least 2 major threats on the floor for the whole game. JH can rotate in such a way that he never has only bench guys in there. There's at least some decent quality depth behind the starters. The Knicks should be very competitive with the rest of the league. It's not gonna be easy but if they come together and listen to Hornacek, I think they can really get a lot done.