I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

My God man stop crying... I'm sure someone will get signed. Every move Phil has made this off season came out of nowhere. Don't act like you know what's going on... and don't act like Phil has been sitting in his stinky Depends all summer.... he's been making moves... and it's July 13 for the love of Red Holtz man! Lol

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.

Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.

WaltLongmire wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?

His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.

Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.

My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..

That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think the Bulls like him (they traded for him) but that was before Wade. I guess after they acquired Wade they decided to cut him for one reason or another. Looks like Phil's the one who's not high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.

EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should the need arise.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two. And Vujacic a point guard?? Huh??? There's nothing anyone can say that can make me believe Sasha Vujacic can play NBA PG. That's delusional. The man's not a PG; he's a washed up 2G. That's the reality. I don't even care for him as a 3rd string SG behind Holiday... To think we're OK with Vujacic behind Rose and Jennings (two big injury risks), is bat **** crazy. How can you guys not want more adequate depth behind those two at the point?!? If we get to a point where we're down either Rose or Jennings or God forbid both, we're in serious trouble. Sasha is not the answer in that situation -- come one fellas! We spent a ton of money to win now -- it'd be one hell of a shame if not having adequate PG depth held us back if we suffered some injuries at that position. I can't be the only one on here who feels this way.. I don't get it -- how is that crying?!!? LOL.

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?

His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.

Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.

My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..

That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.

EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two. And Vujacic a point guard?? Huh??? There's nothing anyone can say that can make me believe Sasha Vujacic can play NBA PG. That's delusional. The man's not a PG; he's a washed up 2G. That's the reality. I don't even care for him as a 3rd string SG behind Holiday... To think we're OK with Vujacic behind Rose and Jennings (two big injury risks), is bat **** crazy. How can you guys not want more adequate depth behind those two at the point?!? If we get to a point where we're down either Rose or Jennings or God forbid both, we're in serious trouble. Sasha is not the answer in that situation -- come one fellas! We spent a ton of money to win now -- it'd be one hell of a shame if not having adequate PG depth held us back if we suffered some injuries at that position. I can't be the only one on here who feels this way.. I don't get it -- how is that crying?!!? LOL.

I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.

Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.

Finestrg wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?

His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.

Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.

My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..

That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.

EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two. And Vujacic a point guard?? Huh??? There's nothing anyone can say that can make me believe Sasha Vujacic can play NBA PG. That's delusional. The man's not a PG; he's a washed up 2G. That's the reality. I don't even care for him as a 3rd string SG behind Holiday... To think we're OK with Vujacic behind Rose and Jennings (two big injury risks), is bat **** crazy. How can you guys not want more adequate depth behind those two at the point?!? If we get to a point where we're down either Rose or Jennings or God forbid both, we're in serious trouble. Sasha is not the answer in that situation -- come one fellas! We spent a ton of money to win now -- it'd be one hell of a shame if not having adequate PG depth held us back if we suffered some injuries at that position. I can't be the only one on here who feels this way.. I don't get it -- how is that crying?!!? LOL.

I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.

Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.

You STILL think they're "looking" at Gooden after signing N'Dour?

NYKBocker wrote:Remaining FA PGs

Ty Lawson, Raymond Felton, Mario Chalmers, Isaiah Canaan, Aaron Brooks, Shane Larkin, Andre Miller

Only Chalmers is intriguing to me.

Uncle Phil might have to dip into the Euroleague again to get our backup PG. Would really love for them to bring in Nando De Colo from France. He was just named the FIBA OQT MVP.

Chalmers would be great if he's recovered from his achilles injury. We might be able to get him on a cheap 1+1 contract too.

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?

His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.

Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.

My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..

That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think the Bulls like him (they traded for him) but that was before Wade. I guess after they acquired Wade they decided to cut him for one reason or another. Looks like Phil's the one who's not high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.

EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should the need arise.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two. And Vujacic a point guard?? Huh??? There's nothing anyone can say that can make me believe Sasha Vujacic can play NBA PG. That's delusional. The man's not a PG; he's a washed up 2G. That's the reality. I don't even care for him as a 3rd string SG behind Holiday... To think we're OK with Vujacic behind Rose and Jennings (two big injury risks), is bat **** crazy. How can you guys not want more adequate depth behind those two at the point?!? If we get to a point where we're down either Rose or Jennings or God forbid both, we're in serious trouble. Sasha is not the answer in that situation -- come one fellas! We spent a ton of money to win now -- it'd be one hell of a shame if not having adequate PG depth held us back if we suffered some injuries at that position. I can't be the only one on here who feels this way.. I don't get it -- how is that crying?!!? LOL.

I cosign about Dinwiddie. He is a better player right now than Jerian and we should sign him. He was victim of a cap numbers crunch in Chicago after signing Wade and that's why they waived him. They still like him; he's on their SL squad, but they have too many pg's. We should scoop Spencer up. Watched him a little bit in SL games. He's playing better than Jerian. He has good size for a pg, which is what Phil likes and plays with poise and confidence running the show. He is also sneaky athletic. He would be a great 3rd stringer to develop and would somewhat absorb the loss of Grant.

And, hells NO, Sasha can't run the point in the NBA--even in spot minutes--that's ridiculous!

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?

His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.

Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.

My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..

That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.

EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two. And Vujacic a point guard?? Huh??? There's nothing anyone can say that can make me believe Sasha Vujacic can play NBA PG. That's delusional. The man's not a PG; he's a washed up 2G. That's the reality. I don't even care for him as a 3rd string SG behind Holiday... To think we're OK with Vujacic behind Rose and Jennings (two big injury risks), is bat **** crazy. How can you guys not want more adequate depth behind those two at the point?!? If we get to a point where we're down either Rose or Jennings or God forbid both, we're in serious trouble. Sasha is not the answer in that situation -- come one fellas! We spent a ton of money to win now -- it'd be one hell of a shame if not having adequate PG depth held us back if we suffered some injuries at that position. I can't be the only one on here who feels this way.. I don't get it -- how is that crying?!!? LOL.

I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.

Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.

You STILL think they're "looking" at Gooden after signing N'Dour?